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Zamboner said:
The lack of back checking, and constant floating to the bench isn't deterioration of skills, but 100% laziness. Most of his awful giveaways, also a product of laziness. He's not pulling the trigger slower, he's making blind passes to nobody, because he doesn't care enough to know if a teammate is there or not. I find his play very lazy.
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It's not 100% laziness. The guy was a cup-team caliber #1C in his prime, that has played on good teams, and QB'd many power play units.

He's not a lazy, he's deteriorating. Nobody thought it would be this quickly, but the poor guy does not have the legs anymore...

It sucks, because his hockey brain works, and works really well. It's just hard for him to follow physically. Think of Stepan, but 10-12 years older... it doesn't get much better from here either :/
 
I'm not sure how important the +/- stat really is to determine the kind of season a player is having. Which line he is matching up against, the D on his line, etc will influence the numbers.

With that said, while Richards is having an overall OK season offensively, I noticed that his +/- stat is near the bottom for the team. Forgetting the cost of retaining him, my question solely focuses on whether he playing a two way game this year or are we seeing defensive lapses on the line he is generally playing on?
 
ltrangerfan said:
I'm not sure how important the +/- stat really is to determine the kind of season a player is having. Which line he is matching up against, the D on his line, etc will influence the numbers.

With that said, while Richards is having an overall OK season offensively, I noticed that his +/- stat is near the bottom for the team. Forgetting the cost of retaining him, my question solely focuses on whether he playing a two way game this year or are we seeing defensive lapses on the line he is generally playing on?
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He's not playing a 2 way game like he should be... He's been paired all of stepan, hagelin, msl, Nash, Boyle, and dorsett... All of which are defensively responsible...

So the +/- stat is on him for the most part... He does not have the legs to play a 2 way game as a#1 or #2 center man
 
Personally I don't think anyone in the league wants Richardsif we buy him out aside from the rebuilding teams looking for a cheap veteran leader... He can't skate good enough to be offensive and get back. At this point in his career he is solely a pp specialist because he's not defensively responsible and doesn't bring another energy or physicality to play on a bottom 6 role
 
ltrangerfan said:
I'm not sure how important the +/- stat really is to determine the kind of season a player is having. Which line he is matching up against, the D on his line, etc will influence the numbers.

With that said, while Richards is having an overall OK season offensively, I noticed that his +/- stat is near the bottom for the team. Forgetting the cost of retaining him, my question solely focuses on whether he playing a two way game this year or are we seeing defensive lapses on the line he is generally playing on?
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He's not playing a 2 way game like he should be... He's been paired all of stepan, hagelin, msl, Nash, Boyle, and dorsett... All of which are defensively responsible...

So the +/- stat is on him for the most part... He does not have the legs to play a 2 way game as a#1 or #2 center man
 
bto131 said:
Personally I don't think anyone in the league wants Richardsif we buy him out aside from the rebuilding teams looking for a cheap veteran leader... He can't skate good enough to be offensive and get back. At this point in his career he is solely a pp specialist because he's not defensively responsible and doesn't bring another energy or physicality to play on a bottom 6 role
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You don't think Chicago would want him as their 2c/3c? He's better than Handzus right now. I could see that being a fit for him.

He's not as bad as some make him out to be. When he gets confidence you can see a difference on a shift by shift basis. There were a few games in the past weeks where he got better and better each shift, was carrying the puck and pushing the pace and dangling through people. I could definitely see a contending team who would like him as a middle six center. If you have an elite 1c, having Richards as your 2c wouldn't be that bad.
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
You don't think Chicago would want him as their 2c/3c? He's better than Handzus right now. I could see that being a fit for him.

He's not as bad as some make him out to be. When he gets confidence you can see a difference on a shift by shift basis. There were a few games in the past weeks where he got better and better each shift, was carrying the puck and pushing the pace and dangling through people. I could definitely see a contending team who would like him as a middle six center. If you have an elite 1c, having Richards as your 2c wouldn't be that bad.
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IMO he doesn't have the wheels to play I'm the Chicago system... And both him and Kane like to carry the puck(reason why Nash and Richards didn't work and the reason why Richard and gaborik didn't work) but that's just one team. Ya I think he can be serviceable but I doubt a team with him as a 2C would like tht but they would except it... ALL IN MY OPINION
 
bto131 said:
Personally I don't think anyone in the league wants Richardsif we buy him out aside from the rebuilding teams looking for a cheap veteran leader... He can't skate good enough to be offensive and get back. At this point in his career he is solely a pp specialist because he's not defensively responsible and doesn't bring another energy or physicality to play on a bottom 6 role
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There will be a line out the door to sign him. See: V. Lecavalier.
 
bobbop said:
There will be a line out the door to sign him. See: V. Lecavalier.
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yeah, totally don't see it at all.

if the GMs are seeing what we're seeing every single day, I don't see him getting more than a 2 year offer at 2-3 mil per year...and thats only because of how weak the free agent class is.


he's looked pretty awful for the vast majority of the year...and he's not shooting as much of late which is why his production, as low as it is, has dipped even more.
 
bto131 said:
Personally I don't think anyone in the league wants Richardsif we buy him out aside from the rebuilding teams looking for a cheap veteran leader... He can't skate good enough to be offensive and get back. At this point in his career he is solely a pp specialist because he's not defensively responsible and doesn't bring another energy or physicality to play on a bottom 6 role
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Plenty of teams would want him. Hell, I'd like him here still as a 3rd line center. The issue is his contract. At a more reasonable price he's still an attractive player.
 
bto131 said:
Vinny is having a awful year... Last I saw he was centering the 4th line... Philly over paid him. Not a good example. And vinny was never a healthy scratch like brad was.
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I agree with every point here. The point I am making though is that Philadelphia did give him the contract and he had at least 10 other teams interested. It will be the same with Richards. Once the bidding starts, it will get higher and higher. I wouldn't be surprised if Richards ends up centering someone's 4th line next year and still having a 3-4 year contract in his pocket.
 
Looked good on the PP, 5v5 was another story. He wasn't bad but some of those passes he makes 5v5 were ugly
 
Now the obvious question is can we buy him out and resign or is there a clause that stipulates the team that bought out cannot resign for x amount of time?
 
Rangerfan4life90 said:
It's allowed in the NFL, though.
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You're allowed to restructure contracts in the NFL. You're not allowed to restructure contracts in the NHL.

If you could buy out a player and immediately re-sign him to more team-friendly terms, it would be an end-runaround of the inability to restructure NHL contracts.
 
vladmyir111 said:
Now the obvious question is can we buy him out and resign or is there a clause that stipulates the team that bought out cannot resign for x amount of time?
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the rule is that the player cannot play for the team who bought him out for the entire following single season ... meaning if a team tried to trade him back to the Rangers the league would veto the transaction... I assume if Richards is traded, then bought out, he can't play for either team involved (although I may be wrong on that, it may just be the team that initially signed the contract)...


although, they let the devils slide. I'd love to see if Sather has some more pull on that, being 3rd in overall profit pulling... you know, money talks...

I wish there was a way we could come to some sort of agreement with Richards' that if at any point, we decide he needs to leave, he agrees to "terminate" his contract with the rangers... Although, I'm not quite sure if that is allowed

Another possible way to do this is to trade Richards while holding onto some of his salary. Although, that does not change anything if Richards decides to retire on his own terms
 
Crease said:
You're allowed to restructure contracts in the NFL. You're not allowed to restructure contracts in the NHL.

If you could buy out a player and immediately re-sign him to more team-friendly terms, it would be an end-runaround of the inability to restructure NHL contracts.
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You're making the assumption that people can just buy out people left and right, this is an amnesty buyout and is a one time thing. Kind of silly that you can't resign someone after that. It's not like teams can do this over and over.
 
vladmyir111 said:
You're making the assumption that people can just buy out people left and right, this is an amnesty buyout and is a one time thing. Kind of silly that you can't resign someone after that. It's not like teams can do this over and over.
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they shouldhave allowed teams to restructure contracts as an alternative to buying them out, making those contracts cap compliant with money left... maybe with a small cap penalty as part of the process...

just thinking out loud
 
vladmyir111 said:
You're making the assumption that people can just buy out people left and right, this is an amnesty buyout and is a one time thing. Kind of silly that you can't resign someone after that. It's not like teams can do this over and over.
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A few teams could afford to do this two or three times over with the sole purpose of cap circumvention. And it would destroy the cost-control purpose of the salary cap system in the process. Offer stars big contracts, then immediately buy them out and re-sign them to a very cheap cap-friendly contract. The player loves it because he's double-dipping and team loves it because they'd be willing to pay the total amount to that player anyway in a non-cap world. Several teams (Rangers, Leafs, Blues, Stars, Avalanche, Flyers, Red Wings) had payrolls between $60m-$80m back in the early 2000s. I have no doubt the Rangers and a handful of other teams could turn a profit with a payroll around $80m-90m today.

You're right that the amnesty buyout is a twice-only thing, and if a team were to do this with a regular buy-out they'd have to balance the benefits of doing so against the cap-penalty associated with the regular buy-out.
 
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