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Former Bruins Brad Marchand traded to Florida, Brandon Carlo to Toronto

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Mr. Make-Believe said:
For all of those defending management on this one, I don’t want to hear a single f***ing complaint about how Harry Sinden treated players.

It’s just a f***ing business, right? There it is. That’s how we’re running things. You can defend that and agree with it and whatever.

Personally, I think it’s f***ing disgraceful.
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The Bruins could have sent Marchand to any team not on his 8 team no trade list and he would have no option but to report.

They likely took a lesser return to give him a shot on a team he wanted to be on.

It is a business, but even in doing what's best for themselves they also showed loyalty to a guy who played his heart out here and sent him where he wanted to be.

What would you have done differently?
 
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Gonzothe7thDman said:
It’s a business.

No interest in paying Marchand for a multi year deal at this point in his career.

I’ve got a lot of criticism for this management group over the years but I praise them for holding firm on this move.

I’m ready to turn the page to something new and build towards the future. Never felt right to me personally seeing him wear the C and I’m glad his tenure as captain is over.
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This is how I see it. Love Marchy and will always be glad he was our guy.

However, we need a GM to be unemotional and strategic.

Let’s assume Marchy was from another team and didn’t have the emotional pull we all feel. Would we be willing to sign a 36 YO UFA who had what appears to be a not insignificant injury at the end of the season to a long term deal? The answer is an unequivocal no. And the answer to that is not because Marchy wouldn’t be a great add. It’s because he’s not the add that this team needs right now.

Other teams who have a shot will be interested in signing him for the next couple of years to do what we tried to do with Orlov, Hathaway, and Bertuzzi. Go for it.

Getting a first for a guy who it really doesn’t make sense to sign given where this team is at is good business. Emotionally it’s hard — but screw all the talking heads trying to make it out as cold. They’d have been roasting Sweeney if he just sat on Marchy and let him walk or, worse, signed him to a longish term deal for not insignificant money (I have no idea what real numbers are, but if people bitched about Coyle’s hit?????????? Yikes).

Can’t have it both ways. And anyone who thinks that Marchy doesn’t know that isn’t giving him credit for how smart he is.

We all like the effort and result yesterday, but let’s not kid ourselves….. this team is not close to contending right now. We need to make bold, smart, and hard decisions to get back there. TDL was the start of that.
 
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Hookslide said:
I would not have offered Marchand, that contract, but I understand why he would refuse, after the two signings Sweeney made last offseason, Swayman and Lindholm, and I am more and more convinced that those contracts caused a division on this team, especially Swayman. I do not know what the Lindholm buyout would be, might not be smart business to do so, but Swayman, should be moved and I say that after his shutout, so I cannot be accused of picking my spots.
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And that's just it, three overpays for people who are the main reasons this season was terrible, and you can't pay the guy who is a consistent top scorer/captain/hall of fame Bruin.

He is one of three Bruins in the last 10 years who gave his 110% all the time. You can guess the other two. Still productive, still one of the most noticeable guys on the ice. Brad was lowballed by management who suddenly has draft picks (but doesn't know how to draft and was clearly unprepared for 2015). How can you be hired as a GM and have no idea how to do a draft? As a GM, you have to be prepared. That's one of the GM's main jobs, and it didn't happen for reasons that I still don't understand.

I don't see this changing without a change in leadership at the top. We still have Zadorov, EL dh m , and MBA Sway contracts for several years.
 
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What The Puck said:
And that's just it, three overpays for people who are the main reasons this season was terrible, and you can't pay the guy who is a consistent top scorer/captain/hall of fame Bruin.

He is one of three Bruins in the last 10 years who gave his 110% all the time. You can guess the other two. Still productive, still one of the most noticeable guys on the ice. Brad was lowballed by management who suddenly has draft picks (but doesn't know how to draft and was clearly unprepared for 2015). How can you be hired as a GM and have no idea how to do a draft? As a GM, you have to be prepared. That's one of the GM's main jobs, and it didn't happen for reasons that I still don't understand.

I don't see this changing without a change in leadership at the top. We still have Zadorov, EL dh m , and MBA Sway contracts for several years.
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All of a sudden GMs are supposed to pay vets based on what they did 10 years ago?
 
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Mr. Make-Believe said:
For all of those defending management on this one, I don’t want to hear a single f***ing complaint about how Harry Sinden treated players.

It’s just a f***ing business, right? There it is. That’s how we’re running things. You can defend that and agree with it and whatever.

Personally, I think it’s f***ing disgraceful.
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Funny, at the same age and career stage Bergeron and Chara had no issues playing for short term deals under $2m a year.

He's going to be 37 with chronic hip issues (and surgeries). Reality is reality
 
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Sweeney has been getting killed on here for bad contracts and overpayments. He took out the emotion of it and set a value on Marchand. Right choice? Wrong choice? Another massive whiff on a contract negotiation? We'll see if another team gives Marchand what he wants and if he starts to break down.
 
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What The Puck said:
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Brad Marchand Stats And News

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How about what he's doing this year?

I'll post this one, just as a comparison:
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Well, he’s doing nothing right now. Would you sign a 37 year old vet UFA coming off another injury to 3 years, 5-6M AAV and a NTC? Didn’t he have hip surgery last summer? Fans need to move on, this isn’t 2018.
 
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Mr. Make-Believe said:
For all of those defending management on this one, I don’t want to hear a single f***ing complaint about how Harry Sinden treated players.

It’s just a f***ing business, right? There it is. That’s how we’re running things. You can defend that and agree with it and whatever.

Personally, I think it’s f***ing disgraceful.
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I keep coming back to the negotiations and asking "why"

I was in and out of consciousness with the flu yesterday so i caught pieces of the Tampa game and i heard Emily Kaplan mention that it broke down over a difference of a couple million? Marchy turned down 2/6, Jacobs apparently stepped in and told the FO to up the term if they need to to get the deal done but still balked at the money they offered him.

It pisses me off from both the team perspective (i didn't want Marchand traded unless he wanted it) and from a management perspective. Is Marchand declining and has significant injury concerns? Yes. But the problem is even with these factors in mind, given he put up 20 goals on an absolute trash heap of a roster plus his penalty killing prowess means he's easily getting more than that on the open market if he decided to go that route. Probably a minimum of 5 million with at least 2 years.

So you can conclude one of two things, neither of which are good

1) Sweeney tried to take advantage of Marchy's loyalty like he did with Chara (i haven't forgotten) and botched it.

2) Sweeney has no comprehension on how to read the market

Ridiculous and the reaction from the fanbase being "idgaf about that draft pick" is absolutely justified imo. Should have kept him. So what if he sucks ass by year 2? team's going nowhere anyway.
 
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Mainehockey33 said:
Well, he’s doing nothing right now. Would you sign a 37 year old vet UFA coming off another injury to 3 years, 5-6M AAV and a NTC? Didn’t he have hip surgery last summer? Fans need to move on, this isn’t 2018.
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First off, you don’t know what the proposed AAV was and neither does anyone here.

Second, I think you’re omitting some pretty critical information in your description of said 37 year old.
 
Mainehockey33 said:
Well, he’s doing nothing right now. Would you sign a 37 year old vet UFA coming off another injury to 3 years, 5-6M AAV and a NTC? Didn’t he have hip surgery last summer? Fans need to move on, this isn’t 2018.
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Well for one, if the hip injury became a bigger issue, you could just throw his ass on LITR, give him a job in the org somewhere and call it a day. So that's irrelevant.

Two, yes i would. Marchand as he stands is easily worth 5 million even with the issues in mind.
 
NDiesel said:
The Bruins could have sent Marchand to any team not on his 8 team no trade list and he would have no option but to report.

They likely took a lesser return to give him a shot on a team he wanted to be on.

It is a business, but even in doing what's best for themselves they also showed loyalty to a guy who played his heart out here and sent him where he wanted to be.

What would you have done differently?
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I wouldn’t have leaked contract negotiations to paint a narrative that Marchand was being unreasonable in his contract expectations.

I wouldn’t have made up BS about him and Pastrnak hating each other.

I wouldn’t have had public facing arguments between him and two different coaches.

I wouldn’t have lied to the media about their desire to bring him back. If I didn’t think it was best for the franchise and that I felt it needed to go in a direction that didn’t involve Brad Marchand, I would have owned it and said so. I wouldn’t have been a coward about it.

And lastly, I would have negotiated a contract with the team captain to keep him a Bruin for life.

Those are the things I would have done differently.
 
DangleCity said:
I disagree. Marchessault who's a couple years younger and similar player got $5.5. I think $5.0 was more than fair given his age and injury history. Guys like Chara, Bergeron, Krejci, all went year to year at the end for way less. That contract would have taken him to 40 and finished his career in Bruins sweater. He wasn't going to get a market deal. There's a give and take, you don't get a long term deal at market AAV.
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I was wrong anyways ~ appears was offered his contract no reduction, however, he’s still productive and whether it was 7 M or what Lindholm got, or more he wanted they wouldn’t go there

The 3 M AVV for 2 was basically 2 years at his 6 + he gets and Buccigross divided it and said 2 yrs at 3 M (I get it it can be confusing I’ve done it)

Pocket Jacobs gave blessings to do three years at his current contract apparently but that figure was to Brad (I agree) done almost a decade ago and below current market

I’m guessing they will end up 3 & 7?? ~ or he goes somewhere else

I would 2/7 per but see where he lands

Bucci story that’s got Bruins fans upset not correct
 
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Mr. Make-Believe said:
First off, you don’t know what the proposed AAV was and neither does anyone here.

Second, I think you’re omitting some pretty critical information in your description of said 37 year old.
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What am I missing? He’s still a good player, no doubt but sometimes it’s best to move on. We’ve ran it back enough the last 5 years, time to move on.
 
Mr. Make-Believe said:
First off, you don’t know what the proposed AAV was and neither does anyone here.

Second, I think you’re omitting some pretty critical information in your description of said 37 year old.
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Does not matter what offer was, time to move on from a 37 year old, who is broken down. The mistake would have been to hold onto him and get nothing in return. Sweeneys screwed up not moving him sooner, before he got hurt might have had and I sure he would had more value.
 
Blitzkrug said:
Well for one, if the hip injury became a bigger issue, you could just throw his ass on LITR, give him a job in the org somewhere and call it a day. So that's irrelevant.

Two, yes i would. Marchand as he stands is easily worth 5 million even with the issues in mind.
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I think he will be more useful to a team competing for the cup in the next two years and I wish him luck doing it. In the meantime I’m liking the change.
 
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bossfan said:
Sweeney has been getting killed on here for bad contracts and overpayments. He took out the emotion of it and set a value on Marchand. Right choice? Wrong choice? Another massive whiff on a contract negotiation? We'll see if another team gives Marchand what he wants and if he starts to break down.
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I hope someone gives Marchand a massive overpayment, good luck to him, I just want the Bruins to stay away and move on.
 
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What The Puck said:
And that's just it, three overpays for people who are the main reasons this season was terrible, and you can't pay the guy who is a consistent top scorer/captain/hall of fame Bruin.

He is one of three Bruins in the last 10 years who gave his 110% all the time. You can guess the other two. Still productive, still one of the most noticeable guys on the ice. Brad was lowballed by management who suddenly has draft picks (but doesn't know how to draft and was clearly unprepared for 2015). How can you be hired as a GM and have no idea how to do a draft? As a GM, you have to be prepared. That's one of the GM's main jobs, and it didn't happen for reasons that I still don't understand.

I don't see this changing without a change in leadership at the top. We still have Zadorov, EL dh m , and MBA Sway contracts for several years.
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MBA Sway.....I like it.
 
Mainehockey33 said:
What am I missing? He’s still a good player, no doubt but sometimes it’s best to move on. We’ve ran it back enough the last 5 years, time to move on.
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How about this?

Team’s second leading scorer, pacing for yet another 60+ point season. One of the team’s all time leading scorers.

Part of a leadership core that goes back 15 years and a Stanley Cup.

Old for a professional hockey player. 37.

Dedicated professional and example for every young player introduced to the team.

Coming off injury and hip surgery in the offseason.

Captain of the team. Face of the franchise charismatic media presence.

Is this a guy you’d give three years to? I would. You may not and (to be clear) that’s a fine and reasonable take. But let’s be honest about the decision and not paint it as some faceless hypothetical. There’s more to it than an injured 37-year-old.
 
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I have mixed feelings about keeping Brad, but would have kept him out of sentiment, for continuity and as an example. I am as cold, unsentimental and calculating as they come but still would have kept him.

This I guessed and this I know: Sweeney dealt him at the last minute, and all but gave him away. No bueno.
 
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