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bearcountry17
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http://www.todaysslapshot.com/nhl-east/boston-bruins/david-pastrnak-next-elite-bruin/
Maybe this article will help you understand what some people see in Pastrnak.
No, it's not. Contracts aside Simmonds has more value. Add in his steal of a contract he's easily more valuable
Tripod
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This thread shows how young players are overvalued.
Yes Pasta is young and has upside, but he has yet to crack 30 points. And yes, he has missed 30 games in each of his seasons. Just fluke or durability issues?
Meanwhile, Simmonds gets 60 points and brings physical play and leadership and is way underpaid for the next 3 years.
Also, not sure where this talk of Pasta having ELITE upside is coming from. Solid, good, 1st line, etc... upside, sure. Elite? No. And yeah, I read the link from bearcountry.
Yes Pasta is young and has upside, but he has yet to crack 30 points. And yes, he has missed 30 games in each of his seasons. Just fluke or durability issues?
Meanwhile, Simmonds gets 60 points and brings physical play and leadership and is way underpaid for the next 3 years.
Also, not sure where this talk of Pasta having ELITE upside is coming from. Solid, good, 1st line, etc... upside, sure. Elite? No. And yeah, I read the link from bearcountry.
tony d
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Yeah, doubt either team does this. Got to think if Boston traded Pastrnak to Philly it'd be for a good young defenseman.
You should take a look at the link that was posted a few posts above. Pastrnak's points per 60 minutes stats are among the elite players in the game. He's up there with Benn, Seguin, etc.
In his rookie season it wasn't injuries that kept him out of games, it was that they didn't play him every game. Last season he got injured then came back and was fine.
Now I am not saying you should want to trade Simmonds for him, I am saying that he doesn't have durability issues and telling you where him having elite upside is coming from. It is coming from people who watch him and realize that he is being eased in and being asked to learn to play defense and he is not being given top 6 minutes yet.
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How's Pastrnak's QoC compared to the elite players in the game though?
Tyler Randell had a better P/60 on the Bruins than Bergeron last year.
You can't just cherry-pick a stat without applying context.
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Did Pastrnak finish the season terribly? I ask, because the pp/60 ranking used in the article is off.
Going by at least 500 minutes played, the metric used in the article, for last year, his 2.06 pp/60, at 5 on 5, puts him at 36th best in the league. He's slightly behind Benn (2.19) and Seguin (2.08), the players used as comparable, and noticably behind Tarasenko (2.29). For 2014-15, his 2.47 was good for 12th in the league. That's still short of all three of those players for that year. Over the two-year period, he's still near the top in the league, at 14th (13th if you don't count McDavid) with 2.24, but not, as the article claims 8th overall (for those who want to check, here's a link: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...ards&minutes=500&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC).
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BostonBob
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Exactly - I'm sure most Bruin fans here think that Simmonds is a very valuable player but Pasta is going to be " the guy " for the Bruins in a few years. It drives me nuts that some Flyer fans think that just because most Bruin fans wouldn't do this deal that we're in some way slagging off about Simmonds - we're not.
Tripod
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I did click on the link. I even said so in my post.
Elite players in the game...like Seguin, Benn, and POMINVILLE. Poms is elite? Cool.
Simmonds was 11th in Even Strength RW scoring. Try again. This notion that Simmonds is only good on the PP is false. You and others like TT1 need a new angle.
Then you would be keeping the lesser player. No biggie.
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doesn't really make sense for either team. Philly isn't looking to move Simmonds and the Bruins should be looking to ship their older players out (Krejci, Burgeron, Chara, ect.) and not move out their younger players.
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if you were their gm ...
and theres a decent chance youd be fired as a result once everything shakes down.
simmonds is a good player... no need for anyone to bash him... but clearly boston is better off keeping pastrnak
Tripod
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That is the hope of all young players, that they become better and better.
Simmonds is 11th in RW scoring over the last 4 years.
Good luck.
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I know little of Pastrnak. What's his projection? On paper he doesn't seem all that (I know, I know), didn't his PPG go down this year?
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Why the bum hurt "good luck" at the end of the post? No one has actually said anything but extremely positive things about Simmonds, me included (I called him a stud, did you see that?).
Yet everyone from the Bruins side has seen something that special from Pastrnak that they wouldn't consider trading him for Simmonds. It isn't just a "oh youth. Must become special then".
I have often seen something that special from him that I haven't seen from a young man since I saw first Seguin. When I saw Seguin first, I thought "wow, this kid will be a game changer in this league" and I saw the same kind of brilliance from Pastrnak, albeit less often than Seguin used to at his age. The hopes of greatness for Pastrnak are well founded. If you had seen him play often, you would understand that. And understand that not agreeing to a Simmonds Pastrnak swap is by no means disrespecting Simmonds or the Flyers. So cool your jets and chill out.
I was just pointing out why people say he has elite potential, that is one of the reasons that you can see without watching him. It isn't cherry picking stats, if I said he is one of the best players in the league it might be cherry picking stats but to give a reason why some people think he has elite potential is just that. He looks like he has a very bright future but he hasn't reached his potential yet.
You just didn't grasp the context my friend, it was there.
I showed you one of the reasons why people think Pastrnak has "elite upside" as you called it. He obviously isn't there yet but he has the potential to be a very good offensive player, maybe even better than Simmonds, his stats sure say that he can score at a high rate so now we have to wait and see if everything else comes together and he can consistently score if he is playing top 6 minutes. That is why people talk about his potential.
You said you didn't know where this talk of him having elite upside was coming from, I showed you one of the reasons why.
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