GDT: BOS @ CAR: Game 5

[Negan4Coach]

IDK man. I think Rod is the mentor he maybe never had through any coaches on any of the teams he has been assigned to. I say assigned to, because coming to CAR was likely his choice. And since the draft he's been traded around, and passed around. We all know it wasn't the only offer on the table. In all seriousness, the TDA we see today is probably in no small part to RBA's coaching and mentoring. We have heard that repeatedly this season. Tony clearly has a massive amount of respect for him.

Yeah, no I agree.

I just think it’s hilarious every time I open Twitter I see “I don’t care how good TDA is he LITERALLY STORMED THE CAPITAL AAAAAA”

 

[tarheelhockey]

Just need to repeat the first 35 mins of effort from game 4 on Thursday. And then extend that effort the remaining 25. No dumb ass parades to the box.

I’m not sure I agree tbh. Some ass parades are better than others.

 

[Borsig]

Yeah, no I agree.

I just think it’s hilarious every time I open Twitter I see “I don’t care how good TDA is he LITERALLY STORMED THE CAPITAL AAAAAA”

Nono.

He's a kkk member. (saw that one) who eats children

 

[Porvari]

I’m not sure I agree tbh. Some ass parades are better than others.

Smart ass parades are where it's at.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Smart ass parades are where it's at.

cf. HFCanes

 

[Svechhammer]

Well That may have been Raanta's best game in a Hurricane's uniform. I know he let up a goal. but his rebound control and stopping the puck when needed it was so beautiful to see.

To be honest, both goalies made some big saves last night. We probably would have scored 7 or 8 had it not been for some truly remarkable saves on his part.

 

[Chrispy]

Well That may have been Raanta's best game in a Hurricane's uniform. I know he let up a goal. but his rebound control and stopping the puck when needed it was so beautiful to see.

The number of pucks he just absorbed and held was impressive given they were often on one side of his body. Not an easy thing to do but he made some saves that should have had rebounds look routine.

If he can continue to do that in Boston it gives the centers more chances at faceoffs to get the puck out. I think that will help; they can only play Bergeron so much even if it's an elimination game.

 

[DaveG]

I'm not surprised by Boston fans. They're so accustomed to getting every benefit of the doubt that the refs calling the game fair for them now feels like an injustice.

I mean when you look at their broadcast it's no wonder they're getting such a view on things. Their PbP guy is literally a life-long Bruins fan and their color guy is basically their version of Chad LaRose. When they do look at things objectively they can call a good game but that just flat out rarely happens, and they're proud to admit it. It would basically be the equivalent of one of us calling a game with Tripp.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Nino-Staal-Fast-Pesce-Skjei appreciation post

That unit is pretty much winning this series single-handedly by negating 63-37-88 whenever we have the matchup advantage.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I mean when you look at their broadcast it's no wonder they're getting such a view on things. Their PbP guy is literally a life-long Bruins fan and their color guy is basically their version of Chad LaRose. When they do look at things objectively they can call a good game but that just flat out rarely happens, and they're proud to admit it. It would basically be the equivalent of one of us calling a game with Tripp.

What sucks about that is Brickley used to be as close to down the middle as you could get from a home team announcer. Either Jack broke him or the producers just told him look these rabid assholes eat up the homer takes.

 

[JEM28]

I mean when you look at their broadcast it's no wonder they're getting such a view on things. Their PbP guy is literally a life-long Bruins fan and their color guy is basically their version of Chad LaRose. When they do look at things objectively they can call a good game but that just flat out rarely happens, and they're proud to admit it. It would basically be the equivalent of one of us calling a game with Tripp.

I’m going to give a long time bruins perspective if that’s alright, and the mods can delete it if it’s viewed as trolling…but it’s not (I’m from Hartford area and have acquaintances in this forum so clearly don’t want to make waves). Jack edwards is horrible and a ridiculously slanted homer. Brickley is not overall, and often battles Jack on issues, but is careful not to make it contentious. Bruins fans, in the heat of the moment, are no different than any other group of fans, IMO. Borderline calls are generally seen through your own teams colored glasses. But in the end, smoke clears, the good and knowledgeable Bruin fans hold the organization accountable. I’ve watched a lot of other teams games and the refs have been universally bad or inconsistent. It’s not a world against the bruins thing for most. Similarly, the thought from other team’s fans that, say, the Bruins or the Leaf’s get all the calls is equally off-base and fueled by something other than objective viewing. My two cents. Good luck in game 6, bruins are up against it big time against a helluva team.

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

As I have said previously, the calls have seemed to greatly favor the home team in almost every game. I'm sure someone much smarter than I has the numbers. Now, this could really be that the away team "loses their dag-on minds" as soon as they set their skates on the ice (again, I'd have to have the willpower to sit through each penalty lol)--but it just seems like...a bit more than coincidental. Idk.

I do think this is the first time we've played Boston recently where there seems to be "fairness" in the AMOUNT of calls (e.g. home team benefiting each time). But, that's just an overall sense.

Either way, happy we have home ice

 

[Tryamw]

I’m going to give a long time bruins perspective if that’s alright, and the mods can delete it if it’s viewed as trolling…but it’s not (I’m from Hartford area and have acquaintances in this forum so clearly don’t want to make waves). Jack edwards is horrible and a ridiculously slanted homer. Brickley is not overall, and often battles Jack on issues, but is careful not to make it contentious. Bruins fans, in the heat of the moment, are no different than any other group of fans, IMO. Borderline calls are generally seen through your own teams colored glasses. But in the end, smoke clears, the good and knowledgeable Bruin fans hold the organization accountable. I’ve watched a lot of other teams games and the refs have been universally bad or inconsistent. It’s not a world against the bruins thing for most. Similarly, the thought from other team’s fans that, say, the Bruins or the Leaf’s get all the calls is equally off-base and fueled by something other than objective viewing. My two cents. Good luck in game 6, bruins are up against it big time against a helluva team.

I appreciate your insight for what it's worth..
It's hard to separate out the tandem. And of course I want my team to win..
Seriously I have no issue with the calls against us in game 4 I might have thought Boston got away with 1 or 2 but that's not an excuse for what we did... I still felt that I get why Brindy challenged but at that time at that place it was a bad challenge.. I think Cassidy looked at the one yesterday the same way and went the other way. Seeing what happened to the Canes after that fail. was it the right call? Who knows.. Not I and Not the shadow..
The thing is yeah we remember the last 3 seasons.. and this is a measuring stick for us.. It's important.. It's important to you all as well. May it be a clean game 6 and may the best team win (Go Canes)

Be civil and You'll be welcomed.. (At least mostly) /grin

Edit: And I get playing McAvoy last night.. He at 65% is probably better then Brown's best. (I don't know this) but I don't see why they played him almost 25m.. I felt sorry for him after the first All red in the face and obviously labored. (Same As Raanta backing up game 3)

 

[Derailed75]

I’m going to give a long time bruins perspective if that’s alright, and the mods can delete it if it’s viewed as trolling…but it’s not (I’m from Hartford area and have acquaintances in this forum so clearly don’t want to make waves). Jack edwards is horrible and a ridiculously slanted homer. Brickley is not overall, and often battles Jack on issues, but is careful not to make it contentious. Bruins fans, in the heat of the moment, are no different than any other group of fans, IMO. Borderline calls are generally seen through your own teams colored glasses. But in the end, smoke clears, the good and knowledgeable Bruin fans hold the organization accountable. I’ve watched a lot of other teams games and the refs have been universally bad or inconsistent. It’s not a world against the bruins thing for most. Similarly, the thought from other team’s fans that, say, the Bruins or the Leaf’s get all the calls is equally off-base and fueled by something other than objective viewing. My two cents. Good luck in game 6, bruins are up against it big time against a helluva team.

Nothing wrong with anything you said and its 100% spot on. Both teams have had soft calls against them and both teams have earned a lot of the calls against them. I also dont think the refs are favoring one team or the other, I just think they are boarder line incompetent (not really) or the leagues rules are so subjective and so inconsistently enforced its hard for them to do their jobs correctly. Take the allowed goal in game 4. Personally on replay it sure looked to me like McAvoy's (I think it was him) stick pushed Raanta's pad spinning him and causing him to not be able to play the puck. However due to how inconsistent GI gets called its was a dumb move on Rods part to challenge at that point in the game.



Edit, just realized McAvoy sat that out with Covid, no idea who it was and too lazy to look it up, but you know what I mean! Damn it

 

[DaveG]

I’m going to give a long time bruins perspective if that’s alright, and the mods can delete it if it’s viewed as trolling…but it’s not (I’m from Hartford area and have acquaintances in this forum so clearly don’t want to make waves). Jack edwards is horrible and a ridiculously slanted homer. Brickley is not overall, and often battles Jack on issues, but is careful not to make it contentious. Bruins fans, in the heat of the moment, are no different than any other group of fans, IMO. Borderline calls are generally seen through your own teams colored glasses. But in the end, smoke clears, the good and knowledgeable Bruin fans hold the organization accountable. I’ve watched a lot of other teams games and the refs have been universally bad or inconsistent. It’s not a world against the bruins thing for most. Similarly, the thought from other team’s fans that, say, the Bruins or the Leaf’s get all the calls is equally off-base and fueled by something other than objective viewing. My two cents. Good luck in game 6, bruins are up against it big time against a helluva team.

Well put honestly. It's probably the only thing that drives me a bit crazy about our current guy (Mike) that he hasn't quite gotten the hang for objectivity, which his goal calls definitely reflect. Which sucks because the guy he replaced was basically the gold standard imo.

It's also the reason I was more disgusted with our play in games 3 and 4 (as well as Rod's challenge which was never getting called back) than the officiating. Canes lost their cool in those games (especially game 4) and it snowballed.

The inconsistency in officiating is another thing though I think we'd all agree it's an issue. I'd like to see more of a series-based tandem approach so that what's a call in game 1 is mostly consistent with what's a call in the next 6 games, though don't know if the league would be up for that or not.

Game 6 should be interesting to watch. The Bergeron line has caved the Aho line in Boston while the Staal line has been a beast defensively all series for us. Going to take some creative coaching from Rod to get the matchups.

 

[rainband]

As I have said previously, the calls have seemed to greatly favor the home team in almost every game. I'm sure someone much smarter than I has the numbers. Now, this could really be that the away team "loses their dag-on minds" as soon as they set their skates on the ice (again, I'd have to have the willpower to sit through each penalty lol)--but it just seems like...a bit more than coincidental. Idk.

I do think this is the first time we've played Boston recently where there seems to be "fairness" in the AMOUNT of calls (e.g. home team benefiting each time). But, that's just an overall sense.

Either way, happy we have home ice

This book analyzes and explains it.

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The imbalance in officiating is upheld as the only real reason that home ice/field/court advantage exists.

(Of course in hockey there is also the last change advantage, but it explains the calls.)

 

[Svechhammer]

I’m going to give a long time bruins perspective if that’s alright, and the mods can delete it if it’s viewed as trolling…but it’s not (I’m from Hartford area and have acquaintances in this forum so clearly don’t want to make waves). Jack edwards is horrible and a ridiculously slanted homer. Brickley is not overall, and often battles Jack on issues, but is careful not to make it contentious. Bruins fans, in the heat of the moment, are no different than any other group of fans, IMO. Borderline calls are generally seen through your own teams colored glasses. But in the end, smoke clears, the good and knowledgeable Bruin fans hold the organization accountable. I’ve watched a lot of other teams games and the refs have been universally bad or inconsistent. It’s not a world against the bruins thing for most. Similarly, the thought from other team’s fans that, say, the Bruins or the Leaf’s get all the calls is equally off-base and fueled by something other than objective viewing. My two cents. Good luck in game 6, bruins are up against it big time against a helluva team.

Great insight, and aligns with what a lot of my co-workers say. (work for a Boston company).

I don't mind a homer announcer for the regional feed. In fact I very much appreciate the fact that Maniscalco is way more of a homer than Forslund was, as the home broadcast absolutely should be slanted. Where I think Edwards takes it too far is when he goes from being a homer to being a troll, and he takes it that far way, way too often. And unfortunately, that attitude bleeds into the fanbase more than it really should to the point where there is just an unhealthy amount of assholes within the Bruins fanbase. There's a hell of a lot of good people who are totally down for amicably shit talking, but the asshole segment is so much more prominent with Boston than anyone else who we routinely see. Verified accounts of tires slashed and cars vandalized in the PNC lots just don't happen with other fanbases, and yet with Boston, sure enough....

It makes me sad, because I know enough Boston people that are good and I don't like the few ruining the rep for the whole. I mean hell, I pull for the Red Sox as my baseball team, but damn, the assholes just make it so difficult sometimes.

We certainly haven't been angels this series, but you also have to understand that 2019 and 2020 are still fresh in our minds, and it would mean a hell of a lot to us to move on in this series. We don't have many rivalries, we haven't been in the playoffs enough historically for that, but if we had to choose one its either the Caps or the Bruins, and the Bs ended our year 2 of the last 3 seasons.

 

[Tryamw]

Great insight, and aligns with what a lot of my co-workers say. (work for a Boston company).

I don't mind a homer announcer for the regional feed. In fact I very much appreciate the fact that Maniscalco is way more of a homer than Forslund was, as the home broadcast absolutely should be slanted. Where I think Edwards takes it too far is when he goes from being a homer to being a troll, and he takes it that far way, way too often. And unfortunately, that attitude bleeds into the fanbase more than it really should to the point where there is just an unhealthy amount of assholes within the Bruins fanbase. There's a hell of a lot of good people who are totally down for amicably shit talking, but the asshole segment is so much more prominent with Boston than anyone else who we routinely see. Verified accounts of tires slashed and cars vandalized in the PNC lots just don't happen with other fanbases, and yet with Boston, sure enough....

It makes me sad, because I know enough Boston people that are good and I don't like the few ruining the rep for the whole. I mean hell, I pull for the Red Sox as my baseball team, but damn, the assholes just make it so difficult sometimes.

We certainly haven't been angels this series, but you also have to understand that 2019 and 2020 are still fresh in our minds, and it would mean a hell of a lot to us to move on in this series. We don't have many rivalries, we haven't been in the playoffs enough historically for that, but if we had to choose one its either the Caps or the Bruins, and the Bs ended our year 2 of the last 3 seasons.

NJD... Never forget... Ok It's a soft simmer in the jacuzzi atm not the raging boil back in 2000-2006

 

[Svechhammer]

NJD... Never forget... Ok It's a soft simmer in the jacuzzi atm not the raging boil back in 2000-2006

NJD is just for metro fans who like living in a landfill. Basically the Frank Reynolds of fanbases

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

This book analyzes and explains it.

Amazon.com

www.amazon.com

The imbalance in officiating is upheld as the only real reason that home ice/field/court advantage exists.

(Of course in hockey there is also the last change advantage, but it explains the calls.)

Awesome rec, thanks!

 

[DaveG]

Great insight, and aligns with what a lot of my co-workers say. (work for a Boston company).

I don't mind a homer announcer for the regional feed. In fact I very much appreciate the fact that Maniscalco is way more of a homer than Forslund was, as the home broadcast absolutely should be slanted. Where I think Edwards takes it too far is when he goes from being a homer to being a troll, and he takes it that far way, way too often. And unfortunately, that attitude bleeds into the fanbase more than it really should to the point where there is just an unhealthy amount of assholes within the Bruins fanbase. There's a hell of a lot of good people who are totally down for amicably shit talking, but the asshole segment is so much more prominent with Boston than anyone else who we routinely see. Verified accounts of tires slashed and cars vandalized in the PNC lots just don't happen with other fanbases, and yet with Boston, sure enough....

It makes me sad, because I know enough Boston people that are good and I don't like the few ruining the rep for the whole. I mean hell, I pull for the Red Sox as my baseball team, but damn, the assholes just make it so difficult sometimes.

We certainly haven't been angels this series, but you also have to understand that 2019 and 2020 are still fresh in our minds, and it would mean a hell of a lot to us to move on in this series. We don't have many rivalries, we haven't been in the playoffs enough historically for that, but if we had to choose one its either the Caps or the Bruins, and the Bs ended our year 2 of the last 3 seasons.

Eh, old timers like me will report that Buffalo and to lesser extent Pittsburgh have been a total disaster in our playoff matchups. Boston right now sticks out because it's been a constant matchup. 4 in the last 5 times that we've made it, we've run up against them.

 

[Svechhammer]

Eh, old timers like me will report that Buffalo and to lesser extent Pittsburgh have been a total disaster in our playoff matchups. Boston right now sticks out because it's been a constant matchup. 4 in the last 5 times that we've made it, we've run up against them.

Buffalo in 2006 was bad, but they went into the shitter so hard that its completely taken all the wind out of their sails. Maybe one day they'll get back there again, but it is not this day.

 

[Chrispy]

Eh, old timers like me will report that Buffalo and to lesser extent Pittsburgh have been a total disaster in our playoff matchups. Boston right now sticks out because it's been a constant matchup. 4 in the last 5 times that we've made it, we've run up against them.

We're going to need a police report to verify that, Dave.

For those who didn't realize, Buffalo is the source of that joke. Buffalo games were NASTY in 2006.

Put another way: what repeated playoff opponents have not seen bad blood? I don't recall as many issues with Montreal or New Jersey despite repeated series in the 2000s.

 

[NotOpie]

My god, the main board GDT is just page after page of complaining about every single call by the refs. I mean there is a run of literally like 5 pages where nearly every post is ref related.

After reading the main thread and their boards, I'll say there was a good bit of complaining but no more than anywhere else. Most of what I saw were lamentations about how the team wasn't good enough or didn't put out enough effort. Still Boston Bruins' fans complaining about the officiating is comical.

In all seriousness, the TDA we see today is probably in no small part to RBA's coaching and mentoring.

"We have conversations...."

I'm with you on this - it's obviously an edict from the top, and possibly written into each employees contract to mention it each time they open their mouth.

I mean, so what? The fans love it, the players seem to love it because they get to tip their hat to the fans, and, frankly, it's appropriate because we are a pretty rabid, loud fanbase. Don't understand the complaints about this at all....

But in the playoffs, if both guys take a swing, both usually go. And both players swung, even if Boston swung first.

On the Boston board, I think they have the right of it. Guessing the ref said something specifically to the players about "next swing...." and the Forbert put in the last little uppercut. Probably clinched the penalty right there. We never know what the refs are telling the players in thos scrums.

 

[Ole Gil]

On the Boston board, I think they have the right of it. Guessing the ref said something specifically to the players about "next swing...." and the Forbert put in the last little uppercut. Probably clinched the penalty right there. We never know what the refs are telling the players in thos scrums.

Watching the replay in the arena, I thought the Forbert uppercuts were beyond the normal facewashing/jabs you see after the whistle.