I see some truth in this. That said, his natural gifts may also take him a long way in this league, esp if he develops that hunger to improve in areas he's never had to before.
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I see some truth in this. That said, his natural gifts may also take him a long way in this league, esp if he develops that hunger to improve in areas he's never had to before.
Boeser by a landslide. The kid has it. Virtanen had a good shot in his draft year, but then he had surgery and hasn't been the same since. I just don't think Virtanen is the brightest player in the world. He can hit hard, but I don't see him as being a consistent player.
Boeser will light it up though. He is the type of player that you win championships with. He should be a 30+ goal scorer in this league. It may take him a bit to get there, but that's where I see him.
I think I'm more interested in a Horvat vs. Boeser career poll.
Boeser will light it up though. He is the type of player that you win championships with. He should be a 30+ goal scorer in this league. It may take him a bit to get there, but that's where I see him.
I think I'm more interested in a Horvat vs. Boeser career poll.
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Yup, but those are hard lessons to learn in life. Boeser seems to have struggled through adversity and come out strong.
Voted Boeser, but think Virtanen has a much higher ceiling. Not sure if he'll ever reach it though.
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That poll would be closer and more interesting imo, but I'd expect Bo to win since not a love people here have seen Boeser play full games outside of the WJHC. We're more emotionally attached to Bo as well.
I know I will.
But then I also thought Rodin was going to explode. Hey, maybe I was a few years ahead of my time!
I think an interesting question would be where you'd expect each player to go in a redraft for their draft year.
I'd probably have each between 12 and 14. They seem very close in terms of value.
100% Boeser until Virtanen can get his shot back. Its so inconsistent. If he doesnt improve his accuracy i see a hard time for him scoring 20.
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Yeah, I really don't know to be honest. Like I said, it's really hard to compare Virtanen to other players, he's just so unique and physically gifted. The tricky part of the question is how do you define success, because simply pointing at numbers is obviously not enough. Longevity, team success, individual accolades? Pretty open to interpretation. Virtanen's style could limit his longevity, but it could lead to more team success in the post season; just too many variables (as usual) to not look foolish playing these prediction games. Did Bure or Lindros have a better career than a guy like Luc Robitaille? I honestly don't know.
Pretty happy we have both of them though!
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Hard to say.
What Boeser has done at the NCAA level is great and he is tracking well. He looks like he will become a solid scorer at the NHL level.
Virtanen on the other hand is more intriguing. At 19 he is already playing at the NHL level (albeit rushed to the NHL) and has shown flashes of what he has become.
All in all, I would say I prefer Boeser but I would definitely not sleep on Virtanen.
What Boeser has done at the NCAA level is great and he is tracking well. He looks like he will become a solid scorer at the NHL level.
Virtanen on the other hand is more intriguing. At 19 he is already playing at the NHL level (albeit rushed to the NHL) and has shown flashes of what he has become.
All in all, I would say I prefer Boeser but I would definitely not sleep on Virtanen.
See, that's where I disagree.
I find it pretty easy to compare Virtanen to other players because I don't think I've ever seen two players as similar as Chris Kreider and Jake Virtanen. Exact same strengths, exact same weaknesses. And it's really easy for me to project Virtanen as having a similar impact to Kreider down the road.
Slight edge to Boeser, i think he can win close games because of that shot and release. Would like to see them both on the same line with McCann or Dubois if we luck out at the draft.
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I'm probably the most avid defender of Virtanen here, and even then, I think Boeser wins this. The kid is unbelievable.
Such a close call for me but I'll go Virt here. I agree with everybody else on how good Boeser can/will be. Difference is i have way more belief in Virtanen than most people here. I find his athleticism so through the roof that he may only need to slightly improve this "IQ" that some seem to be so fixated on to reach his potential. Watching some of his power drives to the net this season as a 18-19 year old showed me all i needed to see.
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It's kind of irrelevant anyways... It's an opinion and will vary from person to person. Who's more valuable? Carey Price or Sidney Crosby? Ovechkin or Jamie Benn? Malkin or Toews? Seguin or Kane? McDavid or ___? Etc etc... This isn't really a right or wrong thing. I think Virtanen will be useful even when not on the score sheet similar to a Brown, Torres, Kreider type player. Boeser will be more like a Parise, Vrbata, Semin? type. Very very very good player but if they're not scoring they don't do too much. Kind of a wash. What's more valuable? 50pts + Physicality and agitator player? Or 65pts offensive whizz?
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Brock Boeser from being a future second line player is almost destined to be a top line winger,
but mark my words.... he is not the most talented offensive player, that said, Jake Virtanen's abilities when it comes playoff time.... will be beastly. He will become a valuable player one day for us when we are hunting for a Stanley cup.... the series is tight.... our offensive players are locked out, it's all one goal games, Jake virtanen is a thorn by the side of all defencemens who will always look over their back, if they touch the puck, Jake Virtanen will smash them.
he brings that type of value.
Boeser is a offensive type of player , he brings that type of value.
but mark my words.... he is not the most talented offensive player, that said, Jake Virtanen's abilities when it comes playoff time.... will be beastly. He will become a valuable player one day for us when we are hunting for a Stanley cup.... the series is tight.... our offensive players are locked out, it's all one goal games, Jake virtanen is a thorn by the side of all defencemens who will always look over their back, if they touch the puck, Jake Virtanen will smash them.
he brings that type of value.
Boeser is a offensive type of player , he brings that type of value.
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Boeser will probably score more points, and have more longevity, so he is probably a better choice.
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Taylor Hall is a completely different type of talent who is better at absolutely everything than Virtanen by a wide margin except for size/bodychecking.
Kane is closer but I think Kane has a higher offensive IQ and better goalscoring instincts. He's a hard player to get a handle on because he seems to be a full-blown sociopath based on reports of his off-ice behavior.
Kreider and Virtanen are just *so* similar. When you watch a highlight package of Kreider the goals just look identical to the goals that Virtanen scores. They have a nearly identical skating stride/style in the same 220-230 lb. frame, play the same sort of agitating/physical game, have the same laser shot that they don't seem to get into good positions to use often enough, have the same issues with using linemates well.
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Boeser.
With Jake Virtanen , best case scenario is we get a physical impact player that can win you a series rather than winning the art ross.
With Jake Virtanen , best case scenario is we get a physical impact player that can win you a series rather than winning the art ross.
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