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Boeser vs Virtanen - Better Career

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NoShowWilly said:
we turn on everyone. it is only a matter of time.
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Yup, we despise Horvat, Hutton, Tanev, etc.

JV simply hasn't progressed like you'd expect from a successful 6th overall pick since he's been drafted. That doesn't mean he's a bust, but we like the way Boeser is trending better. JV can still be a useful piece for this franchise, even if he doesn't live up to his draft status.
 
rune74 said:
Imagine how a UFA views Vancouver.
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probably pretty favourable to someone just looking to get paid after the top guys go. a 25 man roster before buying out either higgins or burrows and cutting no one has over 9m in capspace(projected 74m cap)

buyout(s) and probable cuts get us to about 13m with maybe 2-3 adds to be had.
 
rune74 said:
Give it time...look at edler for instance...
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Edler is still pretty highly valued by 90% of our fans. Look at what most of the trade proposals involving him include coming back our way. Most fans realize he's a top paired by dman.

I assume you're referring to his disastrous season under Torts, find me a passionate fanbase that wouldn't turn on a player in that situation.

Anyways, don't want to derail this thread. Just wanted to say that I believe Boeser has the highest offensive ceiling out of all our young players and prospects. His shot is lethal, he's a smart player, good along the boards and a great character who's determined to improve himself every year.
 
rune74 said:
I agree with this, I like both players...they both play a very different style of game though.

Got to say, I'm not really sure the point of this poll?
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It's just to document this moment in time ...

Where HF Van thinks that 42-7 in Boeser's favor that he'll have the better career.

It's to document and look back in few years how capable a general fanbase is at actually gauging NHL talent.
 
Boeser easily for me. He was the only prospect I was excited about and that was before his NCAA tournament.

Wicked shot, hockey sense, vision, character and that quirky on/off element that some goal scorers have where they sometimes float around but know exactly when to expend energy and always end up being in the right spot.

I can see him being a consistent 30 goal scorer which is elite these days.




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I'm not as low on Virtanen as some others here; I think he can still end up being a beast. Boeser is just the safer pick to reach his potential.
 
Virtanen...mostly due to skating and size.

I think Boeser will have a bit of trouble transitioning.
 
DL44 said:
It's just to document this moment in time ...

Where HF Van thinks that 42-7 in Boeser's favor that he'll have the better career.

It's to document and look back in few years how capable a general fanbase is at actually gauging NHL talent.
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Makes sense.
 
I felt the Boeser love go thru the roof... but whoa.... 7-1 !

I thought Boeser winning would be a rough indication... a 7 to 1 ratio is damning.


I think it's Virtanen.. and i wouldn't think twice.
 
I voted Virtanen although I think it's pretty much a coin flip. In a redraft of their draft years, I'd have both anywhere from 12th to 14th in their draft year.
Probably part of the reason for the big discrepancy in this poll is that Virtanen would be drafted lower than 6th while Boeser has clearly exceeded his draft position. That said, I see them as very close prospects.
I'll go out on a limb and predict that by this time next year the poll will be pretty much dead even.
I think Virtanen will take another step next year while Boeser will be challenged to improve that much because of how great his last year was and the graduation of some of his team mates.
 
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I took JV because Mogilny to Bure said Boeser ainec. Which in real world terms means it has to be JV. Have not seen a single M2B prediction come true yet.

:P
 
Virtanen is a sure fire NHLer. I have not seen a 19 year old dominate physically like that since Lindros, it was unreal. Still has a lot to learn and he's going to take some time, probably more than most are patient enough for, but I enjoyed watching him a ton this past season and saw a lot of growth. Don't for the life of me understand why anyone would be down on him, especially so early. I don't know if he'll ever produce to the level that people expect but he is going to be invaluable because of the way he plays with speed and strength, he will drive his line like Hall does.

Boeser has the IQ and skill but his physical tools are what may hold him back. Another year in college is exactly what he needs, I will be curious to see how he stacks up to NHL competition. Less time, less space and much more demanding physically. Really don't feel like people appreciate what a freak Virtanen is.

So if someone forced me to bet money, I would pick Virtanen, seems like the safer wager.
 
I think Boeser because he is a more complete offensive player however I think Virtanen will be a very valuable piece too, just in a different way and maybe to a lesser degree.
 
This is a poll comes down to how we evaluate secondary assists vs. driving play. If you value pushing the play forward more than a player's ability to make 'connecting plays', then it's Virtanen. If it's overall point totals, it will probably be Boeser. I think it's close if you look at it that way.

For Virtanen to keep pace, he will have to achieve the form David Booth had pre-Richards hit.
 
Impossible to deny that Virtanen's had two disappointing seasons since being drafted. The most recent one wasn't all his fault, as he was put in a position to fail by the organization. His stock has fallen and he's been surpassed by many players who were drafted behind him. This doesn't mean he can't be an NHL player. But he's never going to live up to 6th OA.

But Boeser hasn't had as much time to fail yet! We'll see how he does. Like many here, I am impressed with his shooting, but wonder how his game will translate to the NHL. Right now he looks like the better prospect.
 
Hollywood Burrows said:
Impossible to deny that Virtanen's had two disappointing seasons since being drafted. The most recent one wasn't all his fault, as he was put in a position to fail by the organization. His stock has fallen and he's been surpassed by many players who were drafted behind him. This doesn't mean he can't be an NHL player. But he's never going to live up to 6th OA.

But Boeser hasn't had as much time to fail yet! We'll see how he does. Like many here, I am impressed with his shooting, but wonder how his game will translate to the NHL. Right now he looks like the better prospect.
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Never? Really? 100% sure?
It's pretty funny how many people just straight up write him off like " Neh, he won't have any huge progression in the future." Consider he's 19...
 
mrmyheadhurts said:
Virtanen is a sure fire NHLer. I have not seen a 19 year old dominate physically like that since Lindros, it was unreal. Still has a lot to learn and he's going to take some time, probably more than most are patient enough for, but I enjoyed watching him a ton this past season and saw a lot of growth. Don't for the life of me understand why anyone would be down on him, especially so early. I don't know if he'll ever produce to the level that people expect but he is going to be invaluable because of the way he plays with speed and strength, he will drive his line like Hall does.

Boeser has the IQ and skill but his physical tools are what may hold him back. Another year in college is exactly what he needs, I will be curious to see how he stacks up to NHL competition. Less time, less space and much more demanding physically. Really don't feel like people appreciate what a freak Virtanen is.

So if someone forced me to bet money, I would pick Virtanen, seems like the safer wager.
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100% hammered it on the head.
 
mrmyheadhurts said:
Virtanen is a sure fire NHLer. I have not seen a 19 year old dominate physically like that since Lindros, it was unreal. Still has a lot to learn and he's going to take some time, probably more than most are patient enough for, but I enjoyed watching him a ton this past season and saw a lot of growth. Don't for the life of me understand why anyone would be down on him, especially so early. I don't know if he'll ever produce to the level that people expect but he is going to be invaluable because of the way he plays with speed and strength, he will drive his line like Hall does.

Boeser has the IQ and skill but his physical tools are what may hold him back. Another year in college is exactly what he needs, I will be curious to see how he stacks up to NHL competition. Less time, less space and much more demanding physically. Really don't feel like people appreciate what a freak Virtanen is.

So if someone forced me to bet money, I would pick Virtanen, seems like the safer wager.
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To produce more? I don't think he is at all MMHH. Boeser is the better bet to produce more. Virtanen would be more apt to drive a line, a la Hall (as you mention), but not necessarily outproduce other top6ers. So are you betting money he would drive a line, produce more, or both?

The crux of the argument is: How much is driving play worth in judging "better career"?
 
mrmyheadhurts said:
Virtanen is a sure fire NHLer. I have not seen a 19 year old dominate physically like that since Lindros, it was unreal. Still has a lot to learn and he's going to take some time, probably more than most are patient enough for, but I enjoyed watching him a ton this past season and saw a lot of growth. Don't for the life of me understand why anyone would be down on him, especially so early. I don't know if he'll ever produce to the level that people expect but he is going to be invaluable because of the way he plays with speed and strength, he will drive his line like Hall does.

Boeser has the IQ and skill but his physical tools are what may hold him back. Another year in college is exactly what he needs, I will be curious to see how he stacks up to NHL competition. Less time, less space and much more demanding physically. Really don't feel like people appreciate what a freak Virtanen is.

So if someone forced me to bet money, I would pick Virtanen, seems like the safer wager.
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It's because of the "new(est) toy syndrome".

Boeser hasn't had the chance to prove anything at the NHL level, and based on his College season and having his production in the same realm as Toews and Oshie has everyone excited about his potential.

But I bet if we were to reverse the draft years and Virtanen was still scoring 45 goals in Junior while playing physically and Boeser was a 1st year NHLer only scoring 15 goals, then people would choose Virtanen.
 
Boeser. Seems more like a guy willing to do the things necessary to succeed. Starting to get a weird feeling that Virt has gotten by on his natural gifts for a while and doesn't have that next gear to up his game when it gets tough.
 
mrmyheadhurts said:
Virtanen is a sure fire NHLer. I have not seen a 19 year old dominate physically like that since Lindros, it was unreal. Still has a lot to learn and he's going to take some time, probably more than most are patient enough for, but I enjoyed watching him a ton this past season and saw a lot of growth. Don't for the life of me understand why anyone would be down on him, especially so early. I don't know if he'll ever produce to the level that people expect but he is going to be invaluable because of the way he plays with speed and strength, he will drive his line like Hall does.

Boeser has the IQ and skill but his physical tools are what may hold him back. Another year in college is exactly what he needs, I will be curious to see how he stacks up to NHL competition. Less time, less space and much more demanding physically. Really don't feel like people appreciate what a freak Virtanen is.

So if someone forced me to bet money, I would pick Virtanen, seems like the safer wager.
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Agree, main reason I love JV so much is because when he's on, he really is ON.
The problem is, It only happened a few times in last season. He's too streaky and inconsistent, but that was expected as he's only 19.
 
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