Value of: Boeser to the Leafs.

[capfit9]

Boeser
Hoglander
Ferland (LTIR)

Kerfoot
Engvall
Late pick

 

[cyris]

No they dont absolutly need it

You dont need an absolute top 6 player to play along side matthews marner jt and nylander... you just can bring a bottom 6 whos playing hard and thats it...you've got a succeful line

Whats leafs need is secondary scoring on 3rd/4th line

We could use a top 6 LW more IMO. Especially with the injuries to Jarnkrok and Robertson.
Knies will likely sign after his NCAA season and Jarnkrok can return to the bottom 6 when he is healthy. Finding another addition to the bottom half of the lineup shouldn’t be that hard or expensive.

In the top 6 we really don’t have anyone that is ready to step up and fill that roll. And if something happens to Bunting like happened going into the playoffs last season we have no NHL top 6 LWs.

 

[Coffee]

No they wouldn't because they wouldn't bid on him because they won't be buying

Fair enough

 

[thusk]

We could use a top 6 LW more IMO. Especially with the injuries to Jarnkrok and Robertson.
Knies will likely sign after his NCAA season and Jarnkrok can return to the bottom 6 when he is healthy. Finding another addition to the bottom half of the lineup shouldn’t be that hard or expensive.

In the top 6 we really don’t have anyone that is ready to step up and fill that roll. And if something happens to Bunting like happened going into the playoffs last season we have no NHL top 6 LWs.

Matthews/nylander and tavares/marner don't need anybody to make their line a good line and im not sure adding a meier or horvat will have a huge impact on their production... you can put jarnkrok, robertson, kerfoot, engval, holmberg, steeves, anderson or whatever who you want and that will be an elite line...


but they need help from their depht because leafs top 4 cant score over 60% of leafs goal

 

[cyris]

Matthews/nylander and tavares/marner don't need anybody to make their line a good line... you can put jarnkrok, robertson, kerfoot, engval, holmberg, steeves, anderson or whatever who you want and that will be an elite line... but they need help from depht because leafs top 6 cant score 80% of leafs goal

Bottom 6 depth is easy to acquire near the deadline and Knies will add to that when he signs.
Top 6 LW is a bigger hole and one that is much harder to address

 

[thusk]

Bottom 6 depth is easy to acquire near the deadline and Knies will add to that when he signs.
Top 6 LW is a bigger hole and one that is much harder to address

Knies is not NHL ready and i dont expect to see him soon...

Quality bottom 6 player is not that easy to find... and like i said they DONT NEED to upgrade their top 6 except... their biggest weakness right now is secondary scoring because top 4 right now scored over 60% of leafs goal, thats too much

 

[FerrisRox]

So it’s silly to pretend that a 25 year old is one of the youngest goalies in the league yet you list 2 25 year olds to try to disprove my point? Pretty disingenuous if you ask me.

We're they younger?

I don't think you understand what disingenuous means.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Matthews/nylander and tavares/marner don't need anybody to make their line a good line and im not sure adding a meier or horvat will have a huge impact on their production... you can put jarnkrok, robertson, kerfoot, engval, holmberg, steeves, anderson or whatever who you want and that will be an elite line...


but they need help from their depht because leafs top 4 cant score over 60% of leafs goal

You do realize that getting a top 6 forward pushes everybody down and by extension improves the depth.

A Bosser addition for example would push down Jarnkork once he's healthy making the 3rd line better.

 

[cyris]

We're they younger?

I don't think you understand what disingenuous means.

“not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does”

You said it’s silly to call a 25 year old one of the youngest goalies in the league while listing multiple 25 year old goaltenders of examples of guys who are young.
It clearly wasn’t an attempt at an honest argument.

 

[MAB1]

Sandin must be part of the trade along with a first.

Leafs will probably just go with the cheaper option between ROR or Horvat, I think most Leaf fans prefer ROR anyways. Whichever one doesn't subtract from the NHL team the most. Sandin has excelled in a top 4 role with Liljegren while 1/2 the defence is injured, he's not being moved.

 

[thusk]

You do realize that getting a top 6 forward pushes everybody down and by extension improves the depth.

A Bosser addition for example would push down Jarnkork once he's healthy making the 3rd line better.

Adding a boeser to top 6 ,i dont think that will raise top 6 production that much
... and you will go further, i think adding boeser would decrease top 6 production because hes not type of player you need to play with elite skill player....

Bunting is a good ex3mple, hes a bottom 6 player but hes playing really hard and help to give back puck to matthews or nylander and help those 2 player to making play. But its what you need to play with elite skill player...

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Adding a boeser to top 6 ,i dont think that will raise top 6 production that much
... and you will go further, i think adding boeser would decrease top 6 production because hes not type of player you need to play with elite skill player....

Bunting is a good ex3mple, hes a bottom 6 player but hes playing really hard and help to give back puck to matthews or nylander and help those 2 player to making play. But its what you need to play with elite skill player...

Why did you qoute me 3 times

 

[Burnaby Schmo]

Boeser is slow, atrocious defensively and all he brings is a shot for PP2. Even if you move Nylander to LW so you can force Boeser onto RW2, he'd be a net negative for the line given how much more often and longer they'd need to play in their own end.

I dislike Boeser more than the average Canuck fan, but saying he is atrocious defensively is inaccurate. What he is, is too slow to get into position to be useful defensively. He's the anti-Virtanen. Has the toolbox, but only one tool (shot).

 

[FerrisRox]

“not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does”

You said it’s silly to call a 25 year old one of the youngest goalies in the league while listing multiple 25 year old goaltenders of examples of guys who are young.
It clearly wasn’t an attempt at an honest argument.

The list, quite simply, was goaltenders that were younger than the guy you claimed was one of the youngest in the league. This isn't complicated.

The simple fact is that sixteen goaltenders who are younger than Samsonov have played in the NHL this year. Saying Samsonov is one of the youngest goalies in the league is clearly false and now you're trying to pretend this is all something else. And really, what's the point? He's 25, he's a young goaltender who's off to terrific start. That's the story here, not pretending he's one of the youngest in the league.

If you're not comfortable admitting when you're wrong that's fine, but I have no interest in watch you endlessly shuffle around with goalposts. It's boring and pointless.

 

[Leafs87]

This team does in fact need another top 6 forward Brock Beosser is that

Can he play his offside? Cause he isn’t overpassing Nylander or Marner.

Only way this works is if Tavares shifts to the wing and Nylander to C, but it’s been proven the leafs play better with Tavares at C.

 

[cyris]

The list, quite simply, was goaltenders that were younger than the guy you claimed was one of the youngest in the league. This isn't complicated.

The simple fact is that sixteen goaltenders who are younger than Samsonov have played in the NHL this year. Saying Samsonov is one of the youngest goalies in the league is clearly false and now you're trying to pretend this is all something else. And really, what's the point? He's 25, he's a young goaltender who's off to terrific start. That's the story here, not pretending he's one of the youngest in the league.

If you're not comfortable admitting when you're wrong that's fine, but I have no interest in watch you endlessly shuffle around with goalposts. It's boring and pointless.

2 of those goalies played 1 game. And one of those goalies you listed as younger is a whole 3 days younger.
Being effectively the 15th youngest goalie of the 78 goalies is one of the youngest.

You’re nitpicking but it’s the same shtick you have had around this board for years now. Do you ever plan on actually contributing to a discussion or are you happy to just look for posts by Leafs fans that you can exaggerate some perceived flaw in.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

2 of those goalies played 1 game. And one of those goalies you listed as younger is a whole 3 days younger.
Being effectively the 15th youngest goalie of the 78 goalies is one of the youngest.

You’re nitpicking but it’s the same shtick you have had around this board for years now. Do you ever plan on actually contributing to a discussion or are you happy to just look for posts by Leafs fans that you can exaggerate some perceived flaw in.

15 out of 78? Why does anyone else care? Your point sucked. Not his fault...

 

[dirtydanglez]

boeser and schenn for nylander

 

[TheFinalWord]

boeser and schenn for nylander

Kerfoot and Sandin for Pettersson

 

[Canucks LB]

Kerfoot and Sandin for Pettersson

2 Nylanders combined don’t compare to Elias Pettersson

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Boeser
Hoglander
Ferland (LTIR)

Kerfoot
Engvall
Late pick

Boeser
Poolman
Ferland

Nylander
3rd round pick

 

[Steddy33]

Yes, this a perfect fit for Toronto.

 

[capfit9]

Boeser
Poolman
Ferland

Nylander
3rd round pick

Pettersson
3rd round pick

Bunting
Muzzin
Hollowell

 

[AcerComputer]

Engvall+ Muzzin for Hughes (50% retained) + Horvat (50% retained). Leafs save about $1M in cap space, this sets up the Leafs up nicely going into 2023/24

 

[LemonSauceD]

Tyler Myers for Marner, 2023-2026 1st round picks, Nylander, and Reilly.

Leafs get their bonafide number 1 6’8 RHD for years to come. We get Marner Nylander and Reilly who hopefully pan out but no guarantees. Next 3 drafts are pretty weak so we’ll cop those firsts.

Honestly seems pretty fair for both teams, but to be honest, Leafs still kinda win this. Getter done Sleepy Jim!