Proposal: Bob to Florida
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Byrral
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The deal for Bobrovsky would have to have Luongo coming back no? I can't see Florida paying their goaltenders $15M combined.
Could see Lou wanting a few more runs at the playoffs over playing time at this point in his career.
Could see Lou wanting a few more runs at the playoffs over playing time at this point in his career.
HockeyRulez
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I think this helps blue jackets fan put it into perspective. FLA won’t overpay. Probably best to do a reasonable deal than to lose bob in FA.
Luongo would never waive his NTC to go play for Torts. They didn't have a great relationship in Vancouver. Also, Luongo would be worse than Reimer as he has more years left at a higher cap hit.
Florida will buy out or trade Reimer in a separate deal.
Brassard, Borgstrom, and a Conditional 2nd (1st if Bob re-signs)
Starat327
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Ah, the old "youre not going to get anything better, so you had better take my mediocre offer".
If you genuinely think Reimer, Brassard, 2nd is the best offer they will field.. then you’re in Candyland
Reimer has negative value so if the trade includes him, Florida will need add more or take a bad contract in return.
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Reimer is basically negative value at the moment. Brass is a UFA that we could sign in the off-season if we want him. 2nds just aren't that valuable.
So yeah, losing him for nothing if that's the offer is actually okay because, recapping that proposal:
Reimer - negative are the moment
Brass - loose for nothing in the offseason
2nd - not good enough to cover Reimer
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TheImpatientPanther
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The ask above is in Candyland. Thats two 1sts if it's Tippett or Borgstrom + a #2/3C who could probably fetch a 2nd + prospect.
Tallon is pretty good at trades. He doesnt ever overpay and get forced into caving to the pressure. Jarmo will eventually cave and send at least one of Bob or Panarin, probably Panarin as hes going to get you the better return.
Starat327
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I'd be inclined to think that the one that gets dealt if it comes to it is Bob. There is no in house cover for Panarin, meanwhile, the jackets have an in house goalie that could fill the need, as well as having several potential options to replace Bob if they need to (elliott from PHI, Howard from Det, etc etc). Jackets being in a playof spot makes it a tough sell to get rid of Panarin unless theyre getting someone back who could 'fill' his spot (not his production).
To add, it seems like Bob's situation is that he doesnt wnt to be in columbus anymore. Panarin hasnt ruled out re-signing in CBJ (last i heard, anyway), just that hes interested in getting to UFA. I dont know that the chances are high, but they're definitely higher than bob i would think. Not trading him also allows them to offer him that 8th year.
Do agree that Panarin definitely returns more though.
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TheImpatientPanther
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Ya I can understand that but still feel both are leaving CBJ though. NSH seems to be a fit for Panarin as a rental, Fiala would be the closest comparable. Tolvanen would probably be NSH's offer but CBJ don't have that much leverage with both Bob and Panarin being non-committal on re-signing with the buying team. Comes down to a conditional 1st + mid level prospect from a contender. A Western conference team makes sense as CBJ still needs to get into the playoffs.
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I could definitely see both going as well - I dont envy the postion their GM is in at all. Just think if they decide to go for it this year (the metro race alone is tight, it gets worse when you look at the conference), so i think this will definitely be determined by a) their status at the deadline (and i mean like, day of), and b) the offers they are getting. IF they could pull the Fiala and 1st, for Panarin, it may be right-ish. I have higher hopes for Fiala than most i think, though.
At the very least, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Definitely not for CBJ fans though.. the "what are we doing" gives me anxiety and i dont even follow the team that much.
You are basically saying Jarmo is bad at trades and will cave to the will of Tallon. History does not agree with you assessment.
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Just don't see a big trade market for Bob.
Panarin on the other hand could have a lot more suitors that could definitely use his talent on the wing for a cup run. He should fetch a good return, rental or not.
Bob isn't really playing well enough to justify a 1st+prospect. Especially when the first will be a top 14 pick. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I was Tallon I would be in no rush to acquire Bob. One thing if he was posting a 92+% SP but still wanted out or a deal Columbus didn't want to commit to.
Curious to see around the TDL how many teams are rumored to be calling about Bob.
Panarin on the other hand could have a lot more suitors that could definitely use his talent on the wing for a cup run. He should fetch a good return, rental or not.
Bob isn't really playing well enough to justify a 1st+prospect. Especially when the first will be a top 14 pick. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I was Tallon I would be in no rush to acquire Bob. One thing if he was posting a 92+% SP but still wanted out or a deal Columbus didn't want to commit to.
Curious to see around the TDL how many teams are rumored to be calling about Bob.
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I wouldn't give up Fiala at all, looks to be a great player going forward. Tolvanen/2019 1st + 2020 2nd + mid level prospect would be my offer as Poile. Think it'll be a 3-4 team market for Panarin (NSH, WPG, BOS, TB) and probably similar for Bob (CGY, COL, STL has come alive now).
Think most fans have been in that scenario of either holding onto their UFA player for the playoff run or trading them to help the future but not at this level, with two of their best players on the block. Would be shocked if both are dealt, still only see one of them moved and the other's negotiating rights will be traded in off-season for a 2nd/3rd round pick
They aren't coming to FLA at the deadline but one is moving to a contender, we can all understand not wanting to move either but to lose both of them for nothing is way worse for the future of the team. The only reason Jarmo would hold onto both is if he has it in his mind that CBJ is winning the Cup this year. I don't think that's likely and ultimately why I think he will cave to trade one of them for a conditonal 1st + prospect/roster player.
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@PanarinDangles9 was saying if Reimer is in there then tippett or borgstrom are necessary since Reiner is a dump. The other first was noted as conditional, I'd assume that's if Bob re-signs.
So not the immediate extreme posted, but it does have that potential.
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TheImpatientPanther
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Reimer with $400-500k retention could be moved for a 3rd round pick. With only 2 years left @ $3million, still has a career 2.81 GAA and .914 SV% through 300+ games. He's been trending towards his normal numbers the last 10 games.
Our 2019 1st has a lot more value than what a contender's 1st will hold and makes no sense for us to trade now versus the contender pushing all in and chasing the Cup. Tallon will not be trading one of our top 3 prospects for Bob. We have made it known we will pay him if he comes in free agency.
