News Article: Bob McKenzie: Link Between Subban's Usage and Contract Negotiations (UPDATE OP)?

[Kriss E]

thing is, we win more games than we lose since MB and MT are prt of the Habs...

not saying the way they use their bench is optimal, but you'll have a hard time convincing anyone that what he's doing is wrong when the end result is positive more often than not.

But that's the issue. Just like thinking you finished first actually means you are the best in the game. Ottawa were winning so many games last year but that wasn't due to awesome team play, it was mainly because Anderson was playing out of his mind.
Now that he's regressed to his usual play, the sens are having issues.

 

[macavoy]

I know what you mean, however, it's the first time we had a Norris winner and they have no issues criticizing him while Bouillon can make as many stupid mistakes he want, yet he still gets placed on the ice and no mention of his clear mental lapses..
It just feels like the fingers are pointed in the wrong direction.

Players like Bouillon don't need to be addressed in the media, sitting him down in the video room will get the job done. Different people get different treatment.

 

[ECWHSWI]

The Habs do a WHOLE LOT that MT and MB don't care so much about, tons of thing to pleases the fans and yet they do it no matter how much they or don't care about. This was not disruptive to the team and if it was, the guys who complained about it has really a whole lot of time to waste and has a self low-esteem...Why the raising the sticks in the middle of the ice then? Wouldn't MB and MT couldn't care less about that either? They just want to win games at one point, so based on what you're saying, no celebration would be fine too.

guess you didnt really read the post you quoted...

 

[417]

First time I hear of this. I really don't remember it being the reason. And as Wilde pointed out, despite Price also partaking in the triple low five, it was always about PK taking it easy, never Price. I mean, you have to wonder why the fingers were point towards only one half of that signature move..

There are countless examples of PK always being the target...the assumption that PK was in the wrong in his shouting match with Pacioretty is another example

I think what people don't realize, is that we are socially conditioned to think this way...it's not overt racism, at least not with most, it's a lot more subtle than that.

 

[ECWHSWI]

But that's the issue. Just like thinking you finished first actually means you are the best in the game. Ottawa were winning so many games last year but that wasn't due to awesome team play, it was mainly because Anderson was playing out of his mind.
Now that he's regressed to his usual play, the sens are having issues.

huh... they won 25 of 48 games, basically half of them, I would call that SO MANY, you know...

 

[Whitesnake]

The nonsense over the triple-low fives was absolutely ridiculous. It was harmless. It was not a flambouyant display either. And I don't find Subban particularly flambouyant myself. No more than a lot of younger hockey players. But I don't think they were trying to 'put him in his place'.

CLEARLY Subban calmed himself and started talking about THE TEAM more and all because he's not stupid and had to blend in THE TEAM CONCEPT!!!!! But it still bothers people. Tough to know greatness when it's been 20 years since you haven't had any to deal with. That's what living the past does though. We all love to honour the past as if there was no present. And when we look at the past, we see guys like Béliveau and others, who were determined but not flashy and exuberant and think that it should always be like that. Yet, we wouldn't be able to take players with Lafleur antics off the ice or with Maurice Richard belligerance on the ice....so what's left for us? Average team year after year filled with milk drinkers and everybody in bed by 9PM? Though...rumor is that Desharnais is a big party guy who's up all night...so maybe he should go back to milk drinking and going to bed early....

 

[Kriss E]

huh... they won 25 of 48 games, basically half of them, I would call that SO MANY, you know...

Didn't think I had to write (all things considered)...You know, the reason why their coach won the Jack Adams..

 

[Kriss E]

Players like Bouillon don't need to be addressed in the media, sitting him down in the video room will get the job done. Different people get different treatment.

So explain why PK needs to be addressed in the media..?

 

[Whitesnake]

guess you didnt really read the post you quoted...

Yes I did. So I'll repeat....why would they care for that either? Only reason they did is because they DIDN'T like the Subban-Price celebration and invented something else to pretend that this way going to be the way. But no Subban-Price celebration and do we really believe that MT and MB would have cared so much about a team celebration??? When the Subban-Price handshake wasn't a problem...was there a team celebration? So they don't care about that either but they had to shut up Subban. And found their way. Which again for me, if the idea to please the fans is so important and you want your full team to participate, do the low-fives, and do the stick raising.

 

[ECWHSWI]

There are countless examples of PK always being the target...the assumption that PK was in the wrong in his shouting match with Pacioretty is another example

I think what people don't realize, is that we are socially conditioned to think this way...it's not overt racism, at least not with most, it's a lot more subtle than that.

true, victim, victim, victim, you do seem well conditionned that's for sure

 

[Whitesnake]

So explain why PK needs to be addressed in the media..?

'Cause Therrien wants to tell the fans that YOUR PK isn't as great as you think he is. Stop shouting "PK" fans, you don't know your hockey and it's disturb the TEAM CONCEPT!!!!

 

[ECWHSWI]

Yes I did. So I'll repeat....why would they care for that either? Only reason they did is because they DIDN'T like the Subban-Price celebration and invented something else to pretend that this way going to be the way. But no Subban-Price celebration and do we really believe that MT and MB would have cared so much about a team celebration??? When the Subban-Price handshake wasn't a problem...was there a team celebration? So they don't care about that either but they had to shut up Subban. And found their way. Which again for me, if the idea to please the fans is so important and you want your full team to participate, do the low-fives, and do the stick raising.

seriously...

you usually post decent stuff, but if that's the kind of fantasy you feel like coming up with, dont bother, have better things to do...

now if you excuse me, I'll go cry somewhere, poor little P.K., victim of such evil people!

 

[Banjo Cat]

'Cause Therrien wants to tell the fans that YOUR PK isn't as great as you think he is. Stop shouting "PK" fans, you don't know your hockey and it's disturb the TEAM CONCEPT!!!!

OK, this is an example of you creating a scenario in your own imagination to explain why Therrien does something you don't like. And it's a pretty dramatic one. It's actually not much different from how some people overanalyze PK and turn him into a bad guy over the smallest things. I would like to know how you have gained access to Therrien's personal thoughts.

I am pretty sure Therrien does not give a damn who the fans are cheering for.

 

[macavoy]

So explain why PK needs to be addressed in the media..?

Its pretty simple actually. The media and fans want to know about the superstar not some 3rd pairing scrub. Media isn't going to ask questions about Bouillon. MT throwing Bouillon under the bus isn't going to sell newspapers.

TV and newspapers only have so much room to cover 30 teams and other sports, so they limit what they choose to cover. Whereas on internet forums, the room is unlimited, so drama queens find every little thing to over react to.

 

[Whitesnake]

seriously...

you usually post decent stuff, but if that's the kind of fantasy you feel like coming up with, dont bother, have better things to do...

now if you excuse me, I'll go cry somewhere, poor little P.K., victim of such evil people!

Fantasy? Yep, same here....I have A LOT of better things to do myself...As if Subban triple low fives with Price was disrespecting the fans, the game, the other teams and so on? Not sure who's living the fantasy...

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/02/0...en-bans-pk-subban-carey-price-triple-low-five

Montreal Canadiens head coach Michel Therrien’s first order of business upon seeing star defenceman P.K. Subban emerge from contract talks: banning the 23-year-old’s triple low-five victory celebration with goalie Carey Price on Friday.

According to Therrien, the duo’s post-game celebration doesn’t line up with the Habs’ philosophy, one that will see them raise their sticks in appreciation of the crowd following victories.

“It’s a team concept,” he said. “You have to respect the game, the other team and the fans. The way we decided to celebrate this year is to salute the fans because they deserve it.”

 

[ECWHSWI]

Fantasy? Yep, same here....I have A LOT of better things to do myself...As if Subban triple low fives with Price was disrespecting the fans, the game, the other teams and so on? Not sure who's living the fantasy...

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/02/0...en-bans-pk-subban-carey-price-triple-low-five

what you posted starts with "ITS A TEAM CONCEPT".

 

[Banjo Cat]

Fantasy?

It is no fantasy that he put an end to the triple low fives in favor of this team celebration. What is fantasy is this statement:

Cause Therrien wants to tell the fans that YOUR PK isn't as great as you think he is. Stop shouting "PK" fans, you don't know your hockey and it's disturb the TEAM CONCEPT!!!!

The snippet you provided does not confirm that Therrien thinks this.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Didn't think I had to write (all things considered)...You know, the reason why their coach won the Jack Adams..

it's still not SO MANY... you can write it any way you want, it's still not so many.

 

[Whitesnake]

what you posted starts with "ITS A TEAM CONCEPT".

Having a small celebration prior to it would not have affected the whole TEAM CONCEPT of it.....Team concept during the game all you want, give the fans what they wantalso. Strangely, I guess he doesn't exactly speak his mind, but in this article, he DOES mention that you have to respect THE FANS....well the fans were CHEERING when the guys were doing that handshake...Pretty sure they felt respected...maybe less when they removed it. But hey, it's not just about this one thing. It's the accumulation that makes people wonder why the heck is there so much PK bashing going.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Having a small celebration prior to it would not have affected the whole TEAM CONCEPT of it.....Team concept during the game all you want, give the fans what they wantalso. Strangely, I guess he doesn't exactly speak his mind, but in this article, he DOES mention that you have to respect THE FANS....well the fans were CHEERING when the guys were doing that handshake...Pretty sure they felt respected...maybe less when they removed it. But hey, it's not just about this one thing. It's the accumulation that makes people wonder why the heck is there so much PK bashing going.

PK is a victim, again... poor litle him...

 

[Whitesnake]

It is no fantasy that he put an end to the triple low fives in favor of this team celebration. What is fantasy is this statement:



The snippet you provided does not confirm that Therrien thinks this.

Great. So why is he more vocal towards Subban to the press compared to the other players. I mean, it is much easier to bash the posters who provides some ideas than to actually have ideas, but how about you try it? And please, again, tell me how having the triple low fives would have affected this whole team celebration right after. It's team concept filled with individuals. And it's not true that everybody needs to be treated the same way. But respecting people needs to be universal.

 

[Whitesnake]

PK is a victim, again... poor litle him...

Join the main board. You'll feel right at home. My turn now....no time to waste anymore. Was fun. Bye.

 

[macavoy]

Great. So why is he more vocal towards Subban to the press compared to the other players.

....

Its pretty simple actually. The media and fans want to know about the superstar not some 3rd pairing scrub. Media isn't going to ask questions about Bouillon. MT throwing Bouillon under the bus isn't going to sell newspapers.

TV and newspapers only have so much room to cover 30 teams and other sports, so they limit what they choose to cover. Whereas on internet forums, the room is unlimited, so drama queens find every little thing to over react to.

The majority of fans aren't as hardcore as you and me, they want their soundbyte about the stars, they don't want facts about how the 4th line guys lost the game or the 3rd pairing dman is getting ice time.

 

[Banjo Cat]

And please, again, tell me how having the triple low fives would have affected this whole team celebration right after.l.

I actually agreed with you that the triple-low fives were harmless. The likely scenario whether right or wrong is that they knew it was causing some fuss (even though it wasn't warranted) and they decided that even though its not a big deal, it would be pretty easy to simply ask PK and Price not to do it and to have the whole team be involved in saluting the fans. Now, that may have been a bad decision, I don't know. But I really don't think Therrien wants the fans not to cheer for PK. Cmon Whitesnake, you are a lot smarter than that.

 

[MtlSportsFan]

There is a little bit of truth mixed with a whole lot of BS in most posts and articles written by the media. I don't wholly agree with how PK is treated by the Habs brass and coaches, sometimes he is singled out and I bet that a very small reason has to do with race....but PK makes it very easy to be singled out because he stands out. I am not talking about his skin but his style of play.

I just think the management would like to see a toned down PK. According to Brian Wilde he is doing that in the dressing room which makes his job harder. Personally I hate the way players are coached on how to speak to the media, I want to hear what Joe Thornton would do if he scored 4 goals !!!

IMO, PK should tone down on-ice antics (I HATE flamboyout goald celebrations by anyone) and stay himself in the dressing room.

Also, I have been having many bad feelings that the habs are going to try and trade PK for Claude Giroux. It never would have been possible before the start of last season...but this year.