Post-Game Talk: Blueshirted Jets 4-3

[mondo3]

How about this for a radical idea - move Laine to center and put some wingers with him who can drive the puck to the opposition area like Perreault, Tanev or Ehlers.

 

[BigZ65]

Was at the game last night, really enjoyed the first and third periods, second not so much.

I'm not generally anti-Morrow but I honestly thought he was genuinely terrible in the first period. It sure seemed the only time they couldn't clear that zone at all was when the puck touched his stick. Sure, he scored later, but I'm still remembering that. Firmly in the free Niku camp.

Morrow-Myers can’t be a thing. Several times they had control of the puck and ample time to get it up to the forwards but they’d get dominated by one forechecker.

As an aside, the Rangers might fit MLS better than the NHL. Disgraceful diving.

 

[BigZ65]

How about this for a radical idea - move Laine to center and put some wingers with him who can drive the puck to the opposition area like Perreault, Tanev or Ehlers.

Do you think Laine will make it from goal to goal?

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

How about this for a radical idea - move Laine to center and put some wingers with him who can drive the puck to the opposition area like Perreault, Tanev or Ehlers.

And have him struggle in a position he's never played to destroy what little self-confidence is remaining? Radical idea, yes. Good idea? Not so much.

 

[Ducky10]

Me when Morrow scored.

 

[jepjepjoo]

Thanks Fonz , this is what i meant when i said we will run out of centers soon . You just say it way better .

Umm... What? Laine has had great results with every other center he's spent any significant time with. (Scheifele and Stastny)

5v5 16-17 to now

	GF/60	GF%	TOI
Scheifele+Laine	4.10	59.21	658:12
Stastny+Laine	4.27	69.57	222:43
Stastny+Laine playoffs	3.39	63.16	212:06
Stastny+Laine RS&PO	3.86	66.67	434:49
Little+Laine	2.57	46.40	1352:37

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Numbers for reference:

	GF/60	GF%	TOI
Wheeler+Scheifele	2.93	54.46	2253:48
Connor+Scheifele	2.86	50.93	1113:21
Ehlers+Scheifele	3.48	57.66	1104:36
Little without Laine	2.52	49.02	1188:30
Laine without Little	3.54	57.72	1457:46
Connor without Scheifele	2.61	45.65	966:16
Scheifele without Connor	3.47	59.57	1937:37

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Saidin]

Umm... What? Laine has had great results with every other center he's spent any significant time with. (Scheifele and Stastny)

5v5 16-17 to now

	GF/60	GF%	TOI
Scheifele+Laine	4.10	59.21	658:12
Stastny+Laine	4.27	69.57	222:43
Stastny+Laine playoffs	3.39	63.16	212:06
Stastny+Laine RS&PO	3.86	66.67	434:49
Little+Laine	2.57	46.40	1352:37

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Numbers for reference:

	GF/60	GF%	TOI
Wheeler+Scheifele	2.93	54.46	2253:48
Connor+Scheifele	2.86	50.93	1113:21
Ehlers+Scheifele	3.48	57.66	1104:36
Little without Laine	2.52	49.02	1188:30
Laine without Little	3.54	57.72	1457:46
Connor without Scheifele	2.61	45.65	966:16
Scheifele without Connor	3.47	59.57	1937:37

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

I want to see the PDO during that time.

 

[Jet]

Only real problem with this team is that 57 and 70 cannot, for the life of them, get the puck out of their own zone.

It'll be good when Kuli is back on Thursday. Morrow is a classic no toolbox guy.

Myers has been really good IMO (besides his usual dum dum moments). He's just not good enough to drag a guy like Morrow around the ice. I REALLY hope we get a top 4 guy to play with Buff, get a healthy Kuli back and Chia as our 7th.

 

[MardyBum]

Umm... What? Laine has had great results with every other center he's spent any significant time with. (Scheifele and Stastny)

5v5 16-17 to now

	GF/60	GF%	TOI
Scheifele+Laine	4.10	59.21	658:12
Stastny+Laine	4.27	69.57	222:43
Stastny+Laine playoffs	3.39	63.16	212:06
Stastny+Laine RS&PO	3.86	66.67	434:49
Little+Laine	2.57	46.40	1352:37

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Numbers for reference:

	GF/60	GF%	TOI
Wheeler+Scheifele	2.93	54.46	2253:48
Connor+Scheifele	2.86	50.93	1113:21
Ehlers+Scheifele	3.48	57.66	1104:36
Little without Laine	2.52	49.02	1188:30
Laine without Little	3.54	57.72	1457:46
Connor without Scheifele	2.61	45.65	966:16
Scheifele without Connor	3.47	59.57	1937:37

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Stop bringing your fancy numbers, I want to complain about Laine some more!

 

[rkp]

I thought Little was excellent last night. He's busting his ass, running good routes, making the little plays, just nothing to show for it. I'm tired of piling on Laine, just saying Little deserves a ton of credit.

why does he deserve a ton of credit? he is nothing but a third line center. as long as he is on the second line, the jets will, year to year, continually trade away prospect/players, ergo their future because of him and PoMo's stubbornness of keeping laine with little. ehlers was moved up to play with scheif, connor was also moved up, but not laine! how many goals will little get this season 15? 16? 17?...what was little's best season and how long ago was that? as long as little is on the second line, this team will never end up in the SCF. how they going to beat tampa 4 of 7 games, or can they get past LV, sharks, or even the flames this year? not likely without an upgrade at the second line center position.

 

[Jet]

Not sure if anyone else noticed this, but I seemed to see Laine be the first one to go change on his line almost constantly, like he was happy to get off the ice. I could be imagining it, but I know for sure that I saw him leave first more than a few times.

Originally I thought he didn't give a shit, but now it's becoming clear its the opposite. He's trying so hard to take his coaching to heart. He was probably warned about long shifts, and I've seen him lined up as a defenseman more than once lately. I feel like he's hyper focused on his coaching feedback and thinking way too much about what he's doing. Its not the worst because when he stops overthinking those new skills will be ingrained in his game. Hopefully we end up with the scoring threat we love, with a defensive conscience.

 

[Jet]

Not true. guy is on his elc. Of coarse he can be sent down without passing through waivers.

lol wut

 

[ffh]

Stop bringing your fancy numbers, I want to complain about Laine some more!

these fancy stats are sure batting .1000 around here lately. more like batting at the mendoza line.

 

[Garbox]

Not sure if anyone else noticed this, but I seemed to see Laine be the first one to go change on his line almost constantly, like he was happy to get off the ice. I could be imagining it, but I know for sure that I saw him leave first more than a few times.

I've been waiting for the Laine thread to re-open (didn't check now actually), but since you brought this up, I'll continue: I watched both games on weekend and I realized that you wouldn't believe that this Laine is (supposedly) the same guy that took out the opponent's stick, killed the puck and shot it in immediately after a face off, or when he flipped the puck over a falling Red Wings D, dropped it down and scored. His puck handling has been outstanding for two season before and now he keeps fumbling it probably even when he's all alone on the ice practicing. I also noticed that short shifting. That brought some serious questions to my head; is he having some sort of over conditioning problems that are affecting his nervous system? If that's the case I'd call this season done for him. But on the other hand I'd think the staff would've noticed it by now?

Anyway, it's good that there are other players contributing so that the wins can keep on coming.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Umm... What? Laine has had great results with every other center he's spent any significant time with. (Scheifele and Stastny)

5v5 16-17 to now

	GF/60	GF%	TOI
Scheifele+Laine	4.10	59.21	658:12
Stastny+Laine	4.27	69.57	222:43
Stastny+Laine playoffs	3.39	63.16	212:06
Stastny+Laine RS&PO	3.86	66.67	434:49
Little+Laine	2.57	46.40	1352:37

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Numbers for reference:

	GF/60	GF%	TOI
Wheeler+Scheifele	2.93	54.46	2253:48
Connor+Scheifele	2.86	50.93	1113:21
Ehlers+Scheifele	3.48	57.66	1104:36
Little without Laine	2.52	49.02	1188:30
Laine without Little	3.54	57.72	1457:46
Connor without Scheifele	2.61	45.65	966:16
Scheifele without Connor	3.47	59.57	1937:37

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Can you create the same tables with xGF%?

 

[Gil Fisher]

Myers has been really good IMO (besides his usual dum dum moments). He's just not good enough to drag a guy like Morrow around the ice. I REALLY hope we get a top 4 guy to play with Buff, get a healthy Kuli back and Chia as our 7th.

This would be ideal. I have no confidence in Maurice to make Chiarot the 7th and not Kuli, though. Chiarot with anyone but Buff is not pretty.

 

[Guardian17]

Glad you didn't cry, cause it didn't really matter...



We're in good shape. Situation far from critical...



Somebody somewhere gets these...

Platinum Blonde - Somebody, Somewhere (1985)

I got it, we are so cool!

 

[King Woodballs]

He leads the team in PP goals and is tied for 6th in the league this season. Since his career began he is 2nd in the league behind Ovechkin and has scored almost twice as many PP goals than any other Jet. Laine 40, Scheifele 22. At 3rd place we have Kyle Connor with 14.

He has been the Jets best PP scorer (AINEC) for close to 3 seasons now, if that doesn't earn him PP time I don't know what will.

One good month doesn’t not make one good season

 

[SUX2BU]

Tampa's lead is ridiculous. I don't think I've ever seen a team lead by that much.

It's because the East is weak .....

 

[ffh]

Hope they don't make a play on a centre. It would have to be an elite number 1 centre that would be needed to move the needle on laine. And even a good chance that it wouldn't . If they can get a top 6 winger like stone and bump laine down to the 3rd that would be a better fit. Little with stone and ehlers/ connor would be a much better 2nd line. Or even little with connor and ehlers is better than laine on 2nd line. But 3rd line seems to be where he might end up for the rest of the year with lots of pp time.

 

[Saidin]

Was that first goal last night deflected? Off of Trouba?

 

[AlphaLackey]

Was that first goal last night deflected? Off of Trouba?

All three were deflected, the third was deflected twice.

 

[MardyBum]

these fancy stats are sure batting .1000 around here lately. more like batting at the mendoza line.

Hey, remember when Ehlers was one of the worst defensive players in the league?

 

[NotCommitted]

One good month doesn’t not make one good season

Well, I did add his career totals this far and if the kid is doing it 3rd season in the row, I'd say it's more than just one good month.

To give you some idea how deadly Laine has been on the PP this far - summing totals for Winnipeg Jets players starting from season 2010-2011, Laine still ends #1 in PP goals with his 40. Little is 2nd with 39, but it took him 529 games to score those 39 goals while Laine did his 40 in 212. Scheifele is 3rd with 34 PP goals in 423 games. Are you getting the picture how dominant he has been on PP scoring compared to anyone else in the team? Yes, since he got into PP1, the whole PP has been about getting Laine the shot, but that's not a dig at his goal totals, it's more a compliment how amazing that shot of his is.

Unless there's some legit reason why his shot is off (injury or something like that), then it's fair to assume it's one of those situation where he pots a couple and remembers he can score and starts doing it again.

 

[Gotaf7]

Well, I did add his career totals this far and if the kid is doing it 3rd season in the row, I'd say it's more than just one good month.

To give you some idea how deadly Laine has been on the PP this far - summing totals for Winnipeg Jets players starting from season 2010-2011, Laine still ends #1 in PP goals with his 40. Little is 2nd with 39, but it took him 529 games to score those 39 goals while Laine did his 40 in 212. Scheifele is 3rd with 34 PP goals in 423 games. Are you getting the picture how dominant he has been on PP scoring compared to anyone else in the team? Yes, since he got into PP1, the whole PP has been about getting Laine the shot, but that's not a dig at his goal totals, it's more a compliment how amazing that shot of his is.

Unless there's some legit reason why his shot is off (injury or something like that), then it's fair to assume it's one of those situation where he pots a couple and remembers he can score and starts doing it again.

Our power play has been scouted and has been figured out imo, cover Scheif pressure Wheeler, and Laine and effectively neutered us. They need to try something different even when the pass gets through to Laine the goalie is most times over where he needs to be to make the save.