Blues Trade Proposals Part X

[Mzeppelin1]

Btw what do you guys think about Pavelski? I guess Sharks would be interested in Shattenkirk and some plus (like Berglund or Jaskin) for him. Sure he's 30, but he's scored 41+38 in 82 game this season. He's a better 2-way player than Spezza, and nobody can say he's made out of glass.

true, but he was playing with guys like thornton, hertl, marleau, couture, and burns

 

[542365]

Still think we could give shatty, bergy, rattie/jaskin, + first rounder?

Don't think we should go after edmonton's 3rd overall pick; would have to give up too much to hope that an unproven prospect will be awesome.

I think every single person on this board would give that up for one of those guys, but they aren't available. Teams don't give away superstars. The Pens might consider it if they go out in the 2nd round, but I doubt it. No chance the Islanders do that. Johnny T is the face of the franchise and sells the tickets.

 

[Kshahdoo]

true, but he was playing with guys like thornton, hertl, marleau, couture, and burns

Well, he was a center, and Schwartz + Tarasenko isn't a scrub combo as well. If he scores another 40 goals but for Blues I doubt people here will be upset.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Well, he was a center, and Schwartz + Tarasenko isn't a scrub combo as well. If he scores another 40 goals but for Blues I doubt people here will be upset.

I'd fully expect him to continue his 30-30+ production here. He'd be a great fit, only concern is since he'll be 30 next season, how many more 30-30+ years will he have.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I'd fully expect him to continue his 30-30+ production here. He'd be a great fit, only concern is since he'll be 30 next season, how many more 30-30+ years will he have.

3 or 4 I guess. Exactly untill the end of his present contract as far as I remember.

 

[bleedblue1223]

3 or 4 I guess. Exactly untill the end of his present contract as far as I remember.

Yeah, he's signed till he's 34. He doesn't have much of an injury history, so I'd definitely feel more comfortable taking the risk on him over Kesler or Spezza.

 

[RR10*]

I'd love to have Pavelski on our team.

I'd also look to trade away Steen in a package for a younger more skilled offensive forward. Steen has pretty good value now after his strong season goal- and pointwise. But we all know he isn't really a 30+ goal scorer. He's 30 y so I'd say trade him while he still have value. Something we should've done with Stewart last season. Steen is not bad but we already have many gritters on our team and need to mix things up more than just getting one center. One single new forward wont make this team much different.

Jeff Skinner - Joe Pavelski - Vladimir Tarasenko
Jaden Schwartz - David Backes - TJ Oshie
Magnus Paajarvi - Vladimir Sobotka - Ty Rattie
Chris Porter - Maxim Lapierre - Adam Cracknell

Jay Bouwmeester - Alex Pietrangelo
NEW - NEW
Ian Cole - Roman Polak

I seriously dont want to see Jackman anymore on this team. He's supposed to be a defensive d-man but he's awful at defending, so whats the point of having him? We need our defense to get stable and make fewer mistakes, tougher and more mobile. We wont be able to match Chicago next year with only one added skilled forward. Bring in Stastny/Pavelski and Skinner/Vanek.

And we shouldn't be so damn afraid to give our younger players more icetime, like Rattie/Jaskin and Cole. Give them a chance. Its stupid to give their icetime to gritters like Ott and Morrow that doesnt do ****! Look how well it turned out for Detroit.

 

[Vladys Gumption]

Somebody on the main boards just offered Kadri+Gardiner for Shattenkirk+Berglund. That's something I would consider.

 

[Alklha]

I've seen that suggested a few times, I think it could work pretty well for both sides. Admittedly, I haven't seen enough of Kadri to properly judge.

 

[Vladys Gumption]

I've seen that suggested a few times, I think it could work pretty well for both sides. Admittedly, I haven't seen enough of Kadri to properly judge.

Agreed. I think that's the kind of deal we should try to go after. Gardiner isn't as good as Shattenkirk but he's a solid replacement, and Kadri is significantly better than Berglund offensively. The biggest question is what exactly is Kadri's offensive ceiling? Well that and can Gardiner play the right side?

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

I think I would do it just for Gardiner's sake as he and Yakupov are offered for everyone everyday... Are you prepared for the Toronto wants them back trade proposals?

 

[bleedblue1223]

I originally brought that up as the only way I would consider Kadri. The opinions on Kadri are all over the place on HF, so I'd really have to sit down and watch more of him to form a solid opinion on where I'd stand.

 

[Vladys Gumption]

I'm pretty sure Kadri wasn't playing with prime offensive players. But if we are moving Shattenkirk that's the kind of framework I'd like to see from the deal.

 

[Daley Tarasenkshow]

I think the only way Shattenkirk is moved is if there's a solid replacement coming back (like Gardiner).

 

[illinidave]

Personally, I'd love to get Claude Giroux as our #1C, but doubt Flyers would be interested unless we substantially overpaid. Could pair him with Schwartz and Tarasenko on first line and have Steen/Backes/Oshie on second line.

 

[Captain Creampuff]

The only reason Kadri gets a bad rep is because he plays for the Maple Laughs. He is most certainly a 50+ point center and isn't a defensive liability.

 

[The Note]

Personally, I'd love to get Claude Giroux as our #1C, but doubt Flyers would be interested unless we substantially overpaid. Could pair him with Schwartz and Tarasenko on first line and have Steen/Backes/Oshie on second line.

At least one of Frank/Schwartz would be gone in that deal with probably Shattenkirk. And we'd have to add to that to get Giroux. It'd be great, but just isn't going to happen.

 

[RR10*]

At least one of Frank/Schwartz would be gone in that deal with probably Shattenkirk. And we'd have to add to that to get Giroux. It'd be great, but just isn't going to happen.

What about Shattenkirk+Steen? I'd do it.

 

[Vladys Gumption]

We aren't getting Giroux for Shattenkirk and Steen. That conversation starts and ends with Pietrangelo.

 

[izzy]

Jumbo Joe

There is the offensive player the Blues could use. Wonder if there's a way to get him without losing Petro, Schwartz or Tarasenko... Both teams drastically need a change up. Thornton has a NMC though I believe.

 

[The Note]

What about Shattenkirk+Steen? I'd do it.

Of course I would. But Armstrong would, rightfully, get laughed of the phone.

 

[superblues]

Jumbo Joe

There is the offensive player the Blues could use. Wonder if there's a way to get him without losing Petro, Schwartz or Tarasenko... Both teams drastically need a change up. Thornton has a NMC though I believe.

Genuine question regarding both Sharks and Blues ....

What's the bigger problem: players or coach?

 

[bleedblue1223]

It always comes down to players. Of the major sports, hockey is one that the coach doesn't matter that much in the end. Besides the truly great coaches, any coach can be very successful and a complete failure.

Better question, is the a truly great coach in hockey today?

 

[Hooliganx3]

Genuine question regarding both Sharks and Blues ....

What's the bigger problem: players or coach?

I think it's a combination of a lot of thing. I feel it's the player's, it's the coach, It's the front office, and just bad luck at times.

The team is put together by the front office. If you don't have the right mix of players it wont work. Like for the Blues Armstrong addressed the wrong issue at the deadline. Our lack of success is partially on him. Hitchcock also made poor decisions with the power play. He also was outcoached in general in our series. The players also need to be held accountable as well for their level of play. Then there also were some unlucky bounces as well for us. So it's not just one thing that made us lose. It was a combination of poor decisions from the top to the bottom.

 

[BadgersandBlues]

It always comes down to players. Of the major sports, hockey is one that the coach doesn't matter that much in the end. Besides the truly great coaches, any coach can be very successful and a complete failure.

Better question, is the a truly great coach in hockey today?

I think the only coach in the NHL I would consider as great would be Babcock. He's been to the SCF 3 times in his career, once with a team that many didn't believe would make it that far (Ducks) and twice with a team that had every reason to be there, winning once and losing the other in Game 7. This year he took a team that is still undergoing a transition from having probably the best defenseman since Bobby Orr retire, not to mention the 500 or whatever man games they lost to injuries this season, many of those from their best players to the play-offs. All with the added pressure of that franchise having not missed the play-offs for almost a quarter century.

To me that's what makes a coach great, the ability to take what he has and have success. It's one of the reasons why I never thought of Phil Jackson as the best head coach ever. He's a successful head coach, but he's ALWAYS had the best players in the League on his team.

Honorable mention to coach Q. Had Roman Turek not gone all Jim Carey on us, who knows how many more rings he might have.