Blues Trade Proposals Part 4

[Oberyn]

Ty Rattie, Joel Edmundson, & a salary dump in exchange for Burmistrov & a 2013 third.

That is what the Jet fan proposed. I wouldn't say cheap, but it isn't ridiculous either. I think a deal could be worked around this base.

If the Blues are as high on Edmundson as some of us are, then maybe we can take him out, and add a 1st and Hainsey.

I would do Rattie, Edmundson, and a 2nd for Burmistrov and a third. I think Burmistrov has a really high ceiling and would love to see him in the note.

 

[Vladys Gumption]

Ty Rattie, Joel Edmundson, & a salary dump in exchange for Burmistrov & a 2013 third.

That is what the Jet fan proposed. I wouldn't say cheap, but it isn't ridiculous either. I think a deal could be worked around this base.

If the Blues are as high on Edmundson as some of us are, then maybe we can take him out, and add a 1st and Hainsey.

I'd do that, and I'd bet Armstrong would too. But I can't see the Jets moving him without a current NHL center coming back. Unless I'm mistaken he is currently their number 2 center. I don't think we'd get him for picks and prospects.

 

[BlueDream]

I'd do that, and I'd bet Armstrong would too. But I can't see the Jets moving him without a current NHL center coming back. Unless I'm mistaken he is currently their number 2 center. I don't think we'd get him for picks and prospects.

Agreed, and frankly as the Blues I would rather do that too.

I'm fine with moving Rattie but wouldn't be too thrilled with moving Edmundson. He provides a lot of what we lack on defense and I think he could have a solid future here, especially with Ponich not panning out.

Plus, since I think Chris Porter should stay in the NHL, we might as well add in an NHL forward in the deal along with Rattie, otherwise we would have 15 forwards on the roster. D'Agostini would probably be the one involved, or maybe even McDonald. Not sure if the Jets would want McD due to his age and upcoming UFA status but I'd be fine with moving him, personally, and he could fill their #2 center spot. (Not expecting that though).

That's pretty interesting that Armstrong is scouting the Jets that much. Something has to be on the burner. I would like Burmi (and potentially Hainsey) but I would worry about the cost a bit. Hopefully we don't overpay.

 

[sh724]

Jets are weak at center just like the Blues they probably are not willing to give one up to easily, but there are rumored to be going after ROR if they make that trade it would be much more likely for them to trade a center than it is that they trade one now.

 

[JustOneB4IDie]

I'm sure this has been discussed : There will be a lot of interest in defenseman Ran Hainsey. He plays 24 minutes a game and leads the league in blocked shots. The Jets would likely look for a 2nd round pick in return.

 

[PocketNines]

Hainsey is big but not physical. Many fans will look at his size and assume he must bring those physical qualities but he doesn't. Similar in that sense to Bouwmeester. Neither has any physical game at all.

 

[2 Minute Minor]

Hainsey is big but not physical. Many fans will look at his size and assume he must bring those physical qualities but he doesn't. Similar in that sense to Bouwmeester. Neither has any physical game at all.

How well does he skate? For any defenseman coming to the Blues that may be the first question.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I think the Jet fans have been questioning his decision making with the puck. That might not be a problem since he would be with Pietrangelo.

 

[PocketNines]

How well does he skate? For any defenseman coming to the Blues that may be the first question.

He's a puck-mover, also like Bouwmeester.

I really think a Russell for Hainsey deal makes the most sense IF the Blues are looking at Hainsey AND IF the Jets know Hainsey won't be re-signing.

The Blues would have to move a roster player on defense because they're not carrying eight. Moreover, as Jets fans have pointed out, their D is banged up. The dude Peluso saved is out. Also Enstrom is out for a couple weeks and Byfuglien is day-to-day. So a roster player has to come back.

Petro, Shatty, Polak, Jackman can be safely ruled out. Cole has more trade value than Hainsey. Jets aren't trading a rental for a rental (Redden). So it would have to be Russell. Russell is RFA and cheaper than Hainsey. They're both PMDs. Neither very physical. The Jets could aim for a 2d round pick from someone but they'd hope that prospect would develop into a serviceable roster player ala Russell. I could see the Blues adding a middling pick (a 3d, a 4th?) to sweeten such a deal.

For the record, I don't think Hainsey solves the problem on D but he'd be an upgrade to Russell the way each is playing this year. Prorated, acquiring him with 20 games in the season would be ~750K in real dollars but Russell's salary for the same time would be ~325K so it's the kind of affordable add they can make.

Such a deal would set the Blues up to keep using Cole, giving him the opportunity to establish as a top 4 caliber dman, and if and when the right deal came along (someone like Giordano, should he become available) you can include Cole + valuable prospect/pick for that top pairing D and it's an attractive idea for a rebuilding team. There is even the possibility Cole solves the problem internally.

 

[Multimoodia]

I think the Jet fans have been questioning his decision making with the puck. That might not be a problem since he would be with Pietrangelo.

Because Blues fans have not been questioning Cole/Redden/Carlo's decisions with the puck in the past?

 

[JustOneB4IDie]

Mark Easson on the NHL Rumors website says the Jets would want a 2nd round pick for Hainsey, I know it's a deep 2013 draft but the Blues have Ottowa's also.

Hainsey would be a great for AP27, and better Defenseman then Redden & Russell that's for sure.

 

[SirPaste]

Apparantly we are asking Philly about Briere, wouldnt mind that.

 

[france62]

Apparantly we are asking Philly about Briere, wouldnt mind that.

Woudn't mind Briere, but there's also the rumor that Shattenkirk would be going to Philly......do not like that

 

[SirPaste]

Woudn't mind Briere, but there's also the rumor that Shattenkirk would be going to Philly......do not like that

Yea, thats not happening unless we are getting B Schenn or Couts

 

[bleedblue1223]

Briere makes sense with McDonald going down.

 

[TheOrganist]

I find it hard to believe that Briere is Doug Armstrong's main target.

1. He's not a guy who fits Hitchcock's 200 foot system.

2. He's a smaller player who would likely find the grind of the bigger, more defensive style of the West more taxing than playing in the East. He's pretty much guaranteed to get hurt with his age, injury history, and playing in the West.

3. He's old and doesn't fit the type of young, self-sustaining franchise the organization is trying to foster. Briere is on the books for two more years and would take the place of a younger, cheaper player on an ELC.

And that says nothing of the assets it would take to acquire him.

Yes, the cap hit is largely irrelevant to the Blues (and would actually give Army a lot leverage in hypothetical negotiations since the Blues are pretty much the only contender who could take on that cap hit comfortably without moving other parts of the roster) but for the most part I don't see the Briere to St. Louis fit.

I don't see this ownership group spending a lot of money outside of the core, homegrown players until they find a way to make the franchise relatively solvent.

 

[JustOneB4IDie]

Briere? not with his contract 6.5 Million till 2015, and the same age as McDonald. Briere also suffered a broken wrist during the lockout.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

If Sean Couturier was coming back, who would here would trade Shattenkirk?

I probably say no still.

 

[TheOrganist]

Briere? not with his contract 6.5 Million till 2015, and the same age as McDonald. Briere also suffered a broken wrist during the lockout.

The cap hit is $6.5 mil but actually salary is $5 mil over two years after this year.

 

[JustOneB4IDie]

The cap hit is $6.5 mil but actually salary is $5 mil over two years after this year.

Regardless, I don't see Stillman adding to the payroll for a 35 year old player such as Briere, without trading a younger core player. It is what it is.

 

[TheOrganist]

If Sean Couturier was coming back, who would here would trade Shattenkirk?

I probably say no still.

Absolutely not.

Guys like Kevin Shattenkirk are much, much rarer than a really good defensive center with a 60-65 point offensive ceiling.

But even if you viewed them as relative equals, one hole begets another.

When you watch how we play, and really this would be with whoever was behind the bench, Petro and Shattenkirk drive the engine and are irreplaceable.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Regardless, I don't see Stillman adding to the payroll for a 35 year old player such as Briere, without trading a younger core player. It is what it is.

If we add Briere, it just means we won't resign McDonald, which means we save money.

Briere's trade price will also be relatively low, and I doubt we have to give up anything significant from the roster.

 

[Alklha]

If Sean Couturier was coming back, who would here would trade Shattenkirk?

I probably say no still.

Last summer? I would probably have done it.

Might only be 18 games, but Shattenkirk has been outstanding this season at both end. He looks likely to develop into a better player than I expected. It would take a lot to convince me to move him, Couturier+.

As for adding Brière financially, it is actually surprisingly workable (depending on our budget). I just think that our interest in Brière will be solely based on the assumption that we can get him on the cheap. If the Flyers are going to want something significant going back their way (Cole/1st/Rattie etc) then I think our interest ends.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Not a chance in hell Shattenkirk is moving. Philly would seriously have to add to Schenn or Couts to get Armstrong to even think about it.

The need at center is more of a want, and Shattenkirk would leave a gaping hole. Anyone remember how our defense looked before we got Shatty? We couldn't move the puck to save our lives.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Discussing Briere will go nowhere on the main boards. We know what the value is of aging vets, that aren't producing what they were in the past, and that have big cap hits. HF just doesn't want to accept it.