Blues Trade Proposals 2020-21

[Xerloris]

Do we even own our 1st this year?

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Do we even own our 1st this year?

We have picks in round 1, 3, 5, 6, and Detroit's 7th

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Taylor Hall scratched for tonight’s game. Uh oh, I think Army is going all in.

We’re not trading for Hall.

 

[Mike Liut]

We’re not trading for Hall.

I hope not

 

[Mike Liut]

I really hope Army isn't considering spending assets in hopes of saving this year. The playoff revenue missed would only be a fraction of what it otherwise would be; making the cost of acquiring a high draft pick cheaper now than in any other year. Finish the collapse strong. Shut down Parayko. Ship out Hoffman. Ship out Bozak. Stock up draft picks. Prepare for the ED and look towards next season. Time to face the music and accept that going all-in at this point is lunacy.

Yep, my thoughts as well. The only thing I’d add is regarding Schwartz. If they can’t agree on an extension, I’d move him for a 1st+

 

[Ranksu]

Army has vision to understand situation. Like season when we ship Stasny at TDL. That was genius move. I cant believe Army thinks we need to acquire, he is kind of no pressure zone. Maybe if we could show something and few injuries Army could acquire something, but we clearly aren't contender level this season.

I really hope at this offseason Army admits mistakes and really re-evaluate our d-core. What we want and where we are going. Is this type of system right place for bad def dmens and whos best attributes are offensive side of game.

I would be down for looking g for help Chief. Assistant coach who has answer for transition game and bring best of those offensive dmens.

 

[Blueline2757]

 

[542365]

Schwartz is the only one who will bring anything interesting in return.

 

[Mike Liut]

Schwartz is the only one who will bring anything interesting in return.

I think Hoffman could get a 2nd and Bozak a 3rd and Dunn a 2nd. Schwartz a 1st. I’d move them all.

 

[542365]

I think Hoffman could get a 2nd and Bozak a 3rd and Dunn a 2nd. Schwartz a 1st. I’d move them all.

Dunn isn’t a UFA, and I sure as hell wouldn’t move him for a second. He’s our best LHD by a mile.

 

[Mike Liut]

Dunn isn’t a UFA, and I sure as hell wouldn’t move him for a second. He’s our best LHD by a mile.

He’s an RFA. I’d move him for a 2nd

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

I really don't understand why we're into getting magic beans for Schwartz.

 

[Mike Liut]

I really don't understand why we're into getting magic beans for Schwartz.

Instead of letting him walk away for nothing?

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

Instead of letting him walk away for nothing?

I mean, sure, if we make everything a choice between nothing and something, yeah, but why would there be any indication that Schwartz is going to leave or that we aren't interested in bringing him back? I can't think of anything other than things that point to say we are intending on re-signing him. Not only that, but the recent rumors don't mention him at all when it comes to our expendable UFAs. I think people are just seeing a rough season and reacting like they have nearly every year since I joined the board. We get way too enamored with magic beans, and we give up on cores as soon as they hit a losing streak.

But even if you were going to trade him, why not target a specific piece that would make us better in the next few years instead of targeting a low 1st?

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Dunn isn’t a UFA, and I sure as hell wouldn’t move him for a second. He’s our best LHD by a mile.

If he's our best LHD "by a mile" [not disputing this, just saying it for what follows here] it speaks volumes about how poor we are there.

He’s an RFA. I’d move him for a 2nd

I would too, but I don't think we're getting that at the TDL. Perhaps the offseason, say around the draft.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

If he's our best LHD "by a mile" [not disputing this, just saying it for what follows here] it speaks volumes about how poor we are there.


I would too, but I don't think we're getting that at the TDL. Perhaps the offseason, say around the draft.

Why? We move Dunn for 2nd we lose Scandella or Sunny in ED. Better to just lose Dunn of that is all he returns.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Why? We move Dunn for 2nd we lose Scandella or Sunny in ED. Better to just lose Dunn of that is all he returns.

Yes, we might lose Scandella or Sundqvist. Or Barbashev. Or Blais. Or whoever else lands on the unprotected list that we're eh, I really hate the thought of losing him. That's the entire point of the expansion draft: we can't protect everyone. We have to decide which 9 to 11 guys we really cannot live without. I promise, whoever we lose we can probably live without. Some easier than others, but we can go on without them.

But saying I'd rather lose _____ for nothing than get X just ... I don't get it. It's poor asset management IMO. No, I have no idea what I'd do right now. Ask me in ~3 months. What I can say is that I don't think Dunn gets moved at the deadline because no one is forking over a pick for him on the chance they'll lose him to Seattle. The chance to move him probably arises in the offseason. Let's get there, see what's going on, then make decisions - not just throw the glove down and say well if all we're getting is a 2nd, I'd rather lose him for nothing.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Yes, we might lose Scandella or Sundqvist. Or Barbashev. Or Blais. Or whoever else lands on the unprotected list that we're eh, I really hate the thought of losing him. That's the entire point of the expansion draft: we can't protect everyone. We have to decide which 9 to 11 guys we really cannot live without. I promise, whoever we lose we can probably live without. Some easier than others, but we can go on without them.

But saying I'd rather lose _____ for nothing than get X just ... I don't get it. It's poor asset management IMO. No, I have no idea what I'd do right now. Ask me in ~3 months. What I can say is that I don't think Dunn gets moved at the deadline because no one is forking over a pick for him on the chance they'll lose him to Seattle. The chance to move him probably arises in the offseason. Let's get there, see what's going on, then make decisions - not just throw the glove down and say well if all we're getting is a 2nd, I'd rather lose him for nothing.

It’s not rather lose him for nothing. It’s if we think we will lose him in expansion draft would we rather let him go or deal him and lose someone else. So it’s weighing that 2nd against what else we would lose. And my line is if he doesn’t return equivalent of 1st I’d rather take chances in ED. If we lose him there so be it.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

It’s not rather lose him for nothing. It’s if we think we will lose him in expansion draft would we rather let him go or deal him and lose someone else. So it’s weighing that 2nd against what else we would lose. And my line is if he doesn’t return equivalent of 1st I’d rather take chances in ED. If we lose him there so be it.

I don't know. I don't know what someone else is going to offer between now and then. Do you? I don't know how the organization values other guys on this roster. Do you? I don't know what the cost of getting Seattle to take / not take someone is. Do you?

I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm just saying there's a hell of a lot that can happen between now and the expansion draft. We may find out Parayko's back issues are really serious and maybe we don't want to protect him. We may find out Seattle really wants someone else instead. We may get approached by someone else who wants to do a "hockey deal" and Dunn becomes a piece of that. I don't know. I'm not sweating it and making decisions now guessing, hoping, praying we got it right. Deal with the info we have at the time we need to make a decision, act accordingly.

 

[Reality Czech]

Dunn isn’t a UFA, and I sure as hell wouldn’t move him for a second. He’s our best LHD by a mile.

Give me a break, not true at all. He is probably our 3rd-best overall LHD as Scandella is far stronger defensively. I know people like to bash Krug, but if you gave Dunn 22+ minutes a night people would see the difference between the two.

Would rather keep Dunn and only lose one good player in the ED rather than trade him and lose another good player to Seattle. Sundqvist is more vital to the team's success than Dunn IMO. We are likely to lose one of the two, but trading Dunn makes it more likely that neither player will be on the team next year.

 

[Ranksu]

I view we should upgrade either one Krug or Faulk much better 2-way dmen. Or both.

Faulk might be easier to trade at this point how he has played.

Acquire at UFA market Savard. Upgrade Scandella for better or use Scandella + Mikkola <-> x

X - Parayko
Dunn - Savard
Perunovich/Walman - Bortuzzo

That would give cap flexibility to give more money to forward group, maybe ugrade and overally flex in our cap.

13mill.$ tight in Krug and Faulk for 7-years is horrendous. They doesnt bring ape shit to this roster, only eat money and handicap GM.

 

[AjaxManifesto]

If you want to stay together (as a team) you need to play together. So far that hasn't happened. Guys will now be dealt.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I don't know. I don't know what someone else is going to offer between now and then. Do you? I don't know how the organization values other guys on this roster. Do you? I don't know what the cost of getting Seattle to take / not take someone is. Do you?

I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm just saying there's a hell of a lot that can happen between now and the expansion draft. We may find out Parayko's back issues are really serious and maybe we don't want to protect him. We may find out Seattle really wants someone else instead. We may get approached by someone else who wants to do a "hockey deal" and Dunn becomes a piece of that. I don't know. I'm not sweating it and making decisions now guessing, hoping, praying we got it right. Deal with the info we have at the time we need to make a decision, act accordingly.

First I think it’s safe to assume DA has basic understanding of those questions. But my point is lots if folks saying trade Dunn so Seattle doesn’t take him and we get nothing. I think that is wrong frame. I would only trade him if return is better than what I would value the player we expect to lose if not Dunn.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

I view we should upgrade either one Krug or Faulk much better 2-way dmen. Or both.

Faulk might be easier to trade at this point how he has played.

Acquire at UFA market Savard. Upgrade Scandella for better or use Scandella + Mikkola <-> x

X - Parayko
Dunn - Savard
Perunovich/Walman - Bortuzzo

That would give cap flexibility to give more money to forward group, maybe ugrade and overally flex in our cap.

13mill.$ tight in Krug and Faulk for 7-years is horrendous. They doesnt bring ape shit to this roster, only eat money and handicap GM.

Faulk has been worth his contract thus far. It’s been Krug dragging him down especially with being forced into taking the hard defensive minutes in addition to having to babysit Krug

Also, Savard isn’t all that he’s pumped up to be. He’s been declining for a couple years now and would be a severe downgrade from Faulk

 

[violaswallet]

What happened with Hoffman? I’m a Florida fan and I’m surprised that you’re not trying to re sign him.

he’s a great shot that can produce on multiple lines?