Blues Trade Proposals 2020-21

[TurgPavs]

Yes, we should entertain it - especially if we can bring him back in the summer. I'm less worried about his contract being an anchor than I am a few others we currently have. The downside for Schwartz is that we've seen him have a few notable injuries. However, when he does get hurt we've seen what kind of impact him not being in the lineup has, and that for some reason we seem to struggle to get it back together when he does come back to the lineup. The upside is that if you can get something close to 21-39-60 out of him, which I think we can for quite a while, that's production that nicely fills a 2nd line spot for a while and then we can (hopefully) transition him to a 3rd-line spot where he kind of fills that Steen role.


Some of that is on Weight. He burned a few bridges while he was here, then burned a few more before he got moved to Anaheim and then proceeded to burn a handful more on the way out.

Was it Strick or Korac that said Weight made sure there was no possible way he could ever be a part of the St. Louis organiation in the future.
Dude did everything but throw punches when he left St. Louis.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Was it Strick or Korac that said Weight made sure there was no possible way he could ever be a part of the St. Louis organiation in the future.
Dude did everything but throw punches when he left St. Louis.

I don't remember. Doesn't matter. Let's just say that Doug Weight doesn't miss the Blues organization, and the feeling back from people who were in the organization at the time is more than mutual.

 

[ezcreepin]

We didn't make the playoffs the year we traded Stastny.

Damn you're right, I skimmed at the trade and thought we squeaked in, but that's the year Philly drafted Farabee. Well whatever the case, that's the type of year this year feels like. The only downside is we could have a preferential draft position, but scouting and covid could mess that up for us and we end up with a bust player.

 

[ezcreepin]

How in the world do you fit him in out lineup? Its going to be pricey if we play 3.250mill.$ Scandella at 3rd pair?

I assume you think what I think. Expose Dunn?

Hanifin 4.950mill.$ - Parayko 5.5mill.$
Krug 6.5mill.$ - Faulk 6.5mill.$
Scandella 3.250mill.$ - Bortuzzo 1.375mill.$

Total of 28.075mill.$

If I would hae GM I would expose Krug. Dunn get his spot or Mikkola/Walman.Ship Faulk to Siperia camp. Acquire Savard for 2nd pair. Pay somebody to take Scandella. Perunovich take his spot. Acquire 2depth dmen for cheap WHO can play AHL/NHL.

It would give us ~15mill.$ to wiggle room for acquire top notch forwards. Difference makers.

So you're telling me you'd rather
Out:
Faulk, Krug, Scandella
In:
Savard, Perunovich, Dunn/Walman/Mikkola
We're trying to improve defense Ransku, not make it cheaper.

 

[Thallis]

Damn you're right, I skimmed at the trade and thought we squeaked in, but that's the year Philly drafted Farabee. Well whatever the case, that's the type of year this year feels like. The only downside is we could have a preferential draft position, but scouting and covid could mess that up for us and we end up with a bust player.

That was the year that came down to the last game of the year vs the Avalanche and the blues laid a complete egg

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

That was the year that came down to the last game of the year vs the Avalanche and the blues laid a complete egg

And that was game, if I recall correctly, where Tarasenko first injured shoulder.

 

[Mike Liut]

1. If you sign him to an extension, you have to protect him. That comes at the expense of someone we've all got penciled in as protected, and that likely means we don't have to worry about keeping Dunn: we now have to worry about keeping who the new 8th forward is.

2. Define "reasonable contract extension." If it's less than what Schenn has, we all better hope Schwartz really likes being here so much he'll take less to do it.

can they agree on a contract, just not sign it until after the expansion draft? Definitely not going more than Schenn’s. If they can’t agree on that framework, I’m moving him.

 

[WeWentBlues]

That was the year that came down to the last game of the year vs the Avalanche and the blues laid a complete egg

And that was game, if I recall correctly, where Tarasenko first injured shoulder.

Yep. Tarasenko hurt that game. Such an innocent looking play, too.


There was also the puck that looked like it cleared the blue line but the refs didn't blow the play dead. Even after reviewing, they said it was a good goal. Who knows how that game finishes if the goal is disallowed.


Another bad angle shot by Mackinnon that finds the back of the net. Like groundhog day.

 

[Chojin]

I don't think this year is going to go anywhere, so it's probably time to recoup some assets. Luckily, we don't have any retained contracts on the books, so it should be possible to move players out. Here's who I'm thinking should go, from most to least likely:

Hoffman - good as gone; should be able to get a second
Schwartz - great player, but he's at the end of his prime and we don't get enough games out of him to justify the contract he'll likely want; a contender will definitely give up a first or a top-end prospect for him
Blais/Sanford/Barbashev - if we decide to keep Schwartz, I don't see any reason to keep all of these guys; could probably get a late second or a third for one of them
Bozak - some team might want a veteran depth center, but you have to imagine there are cheaper options out there. If we do move him, I don't expect to get anything more than a fifth
Dunn - don't want him moved, but it's possible if there are hard feelings; I don't see us taking anything less than a comparable young, top-6 forward.

If I had to guess, I'd say Hoffman and Schwartz will be gone at the deadline.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

can they agree on a contract, just not sign it until after the expansion draft? Definitely not going more than Schenn’s. If they can’t agree on that framework, I’m moving him.

They could agree on something now and sit on it. Our luck, the league would decide to take a look and medieval on us again for not signing an agreed-upon contract and give our 1st round pick to Lou on the Isle, our 1st next year to New Jersey and our 1st the year after to Arizona. I'm really hard-pressed to see where Schwartz, who's been here his entire career and clearly has an impact on this team when he's not in the lineup, takes less than Schenn who's going on his 3rd year year and went through the Kings and Flyers organizations before landing here.

I don't think this year is going to go anywhere, so it's probably time to recoup some assets. Luckily, we don't have any retained contracts on the books, so it should be possible to move players out. Here's who I'm thinking should go, from most to least likely:

Hoffman - good as gone; should be able to get a second
Schwartz - great player, but he's at the end of his prime and we don't get enough games out of him to justify the contract he'll likely want; a contender will definitely give up a first or a top-end prospect for him
Blais/Sanford/Barbashev - if we decide to keep Schwartz, I don't see any reason to keep all of these guys; could probably get a late second or a third for one of them
Bozak - some team might want a veteran depth center, but you have to imagine there are cheaper options out there. If we do move him, I don't expect to get anything more than a fifth
Dunn - don't want him moved, but it's possible if there are hard feelings; I don't see us taking anything less than a comparable young, top-6 forward.

If I had to guess, I'd say Hoffman and Schwartz will be gone at the deadline.

Hoffman - agreed, probably a 2nd. Kind of wouldn't be shocked if it ends up being a 3rd with conditions that could take it to a 2nd or a 1st, with 2nd being easier to hit and 1st relying on a Cup win.
Schwartz - IMO, he's the grand prize of the trade deadline if he's put on the market. Ask for a 1st + a solid prospect + another draft pick (3rd) that's conditional and could become a 1st. You may not get it, but if you don't ask you definitely won't.
Blais/Sanford/Barbashev - they're not getting a late 2nd unless you're putting all 3 together in a deal. Blais is no better than a 5th, Sanford probably a 4th (might be able to sweet-talk someone into a 3rd if they've got multiples), Barbashev a 4th that might be conditional given he's coming off that ankle.
Bozak - I wanted to say a 4th, but looking at it more I think I agree with a 5th. I might ask for conditions that could bump it as high as a 3rd.
Dunn - if by "comparable young, top-6 forward" you mean "young forward with alleged top-6 potential who's got issues finding it," I might agree. We're not getting a bona-fide, no questions young top-6 guy straight-up for him. I still think he goes in the summer if he's getting dealt.

 

[GrumpyKelly]

Can you guys give a rundown on Sanford? Pros/cons. Cheers.

 

[ezcreepin]

Can you guys give a rundown on Sanford? Pros/cons. Cheers.

Pros - Big, skilled forward who can put up 40 points a year
Cons - The streakest player I've ever witnessed play the game. Can score 10 points in 5 games and go 15 games with no points and look disinterested.

 

[finnishflash13]

someone on the maple leafs forum thinks they can get O'Reilly to be their 3rd line C just for the playoffs. lol...yikes.

if Schwartz is not likely to re-sign with the Blues, big if, then there really isn't any harm in trading him now for a return, otherwise he walks for nothing. not likely to be traded, but i am over hearing "this is the season" for kyrou and/or thomas to break out. that song and dance is old.

 

[Mike Liut]

Taylor Hall scratched for tonight’s game. Uh oh, I think Army is going all in.

 

[WeWentBlues]

Taylor Hall scratched for tonight’s game. Uh oh, I think Army is going all in.

I agree a trade isn't imminent but I'm sure there are multiple suitors interested in Hall.

 

[Mike Liut]

I agree a trade isn't imminent but I'm sure there are multiple suitors interested in Hall.

Or Army is going to make a move now for Hall before the next game. I wouldn’t be surprised

 

[Mike Liut]

Im not even sure what we have to offer for Hall. Kostin? Hell no. A 1st? Maybe. I hate trading 1sts for a rental.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Or Army is going to make a move now for Hall before the next game. I wouldn’t be surprised

I’d rather have a clone of Sundqvist than Hall. I’m not sure how Hall could help the problems at the moment.

 

[TK 421]

Im not even sure what we have to offer for Hall. Kostin? Hell no. A 1st? Maybe. I hate trading 1sts for a rental.

So Kostin is a hell no but our current 11th overall pick is a maybe for you?

 

[WeWentBlues]

Unless Taylor Hall is Faulk 2.0. Trade for a guy and re-sign him because you know someone else (i.e. Jaden Schwartz) is not returning. Not advocating for this move. Just trying to think like Army.

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

I think Palmieri is a better fit than Hall. He knows how to put up numbers on teams that struggle, he’s physical, and he fits under the cap easier. I think he’d be a solid upgrade to Sanford. The only problem is that he’s likely more expensive to acquire since more teams will want him. However, If Hall can return to form, there’s no better bargain-buy, and his speed could be exactly what we need.

Perron O’Reilly Palmieri
Schwartz Schenn Kyrou
Barbashev Thomas Tarasenko
Clifford Bozak Hoffman

looks pretty sick.

Perron O’Reilly Hoffman
Schwartz Schenn Kyrou
Hall Thomas Tarasenko
Hoffman Bozak Barbashev

and this COULD be lethal
Hoffman/Sanford gone in the deal


I’m not sure I would do this necessarily, but I could see why DA would. I also think adding Savard to the defense would be an underrated move to make. I don’t think our defense needs a ton of help if our offense can finally click, and getting Savard shouldn’t be cost prohibitive since he’s not going to provide any offense. Montour would also be an excellent add that could factor into our future plans as well.

 

[Mike Liut]

So Kostin is a hell no but our current 11th overall pick is a maybe for you?

Unless army thinks it won’t be 11 with Hall

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Or Army is going to make a move now for Hall before the next game. I wouldn’t be surprised

I'm going to assume this is sarcasm. I cannot see Armstrong tripling down on this roster by trying to add to it, when the guys on this roster aren't doing anything to help themselves out.

 

[Stealth JD]

I really hope Army isn't considering spending assets in hopes of saving this year. The playoff revenue missed would only be a fraction of what it otherwise would be; making the cost of acquiring a high draft pick cheaper now than in any other year. Finish the collapse strong. Shut down Parayko. Ship out Hoffman. Ship out Bozak. Stock up draft picks. Prepare for the ED and look towards next season. Time to face the music and accept that going all-in at this point is lunacy.

 

[The Note]

If Armstrong were to add Hall with the intention of signing him long-term then I would be completely on-board with letting him go. But I think there is basically no chance that happens.