OT: Blues Forum Lounge (Home of All Things OT) - Part 2024-2025

[Mike Liut]

Speaking of food and nutrition and all that, I have a specific question for @Mike Liut.

I am pretty sure you've shared with us that you are a body-builder or, at the very least, way into fitness and exercise.

The recommended daily intake of protein for my weight is about 110-120 grams. I'm sure I've eaten that much at times in the past, but when I actually try to eat 120 grams of protein in a single day, I find that it is very difficult. It's much easier to drink my protein and get in 120 grams, but that's boring. Eating 120 grams is ridiculously difficult.

As a fitness-type guy, how many grams of protein do you take in per day and is the bulk of it liquid, like protein shakes?

I find that I can eat about 60-70 grams of protein on any given day and feel 100% sated.

My extrapolation is that the recommended daily intake of protein is way too high. And of course, in my mind, it is on purpose to f*** up our health. I would feel overstuffed and nauseous if I ate 120 grams each day, which tells me that the daily recommendation is irresponsibly wrong.

As a side note, one of my infantryman from back in my GI Joke days, is a body-builder in Florida and has won competitions doing so.

The rule of thumb is 1-1.5 g per 1 lb of body weight. It shouldn’t be that hard to accomplish if you eat high protein meals and protein shakes. I think after your workout is the most important time. I usually have 30-50 grams right after I lift. Remember, there are 3 phases in lifting depending on your goals and each requires calorie counting. 1) cutting (losing weight which requires a calorie deficit). 2) bulking or gaining muscle ( this requires a calorie surplus). 3) maintenance ( not gaining or losing weight and this requires eating at your TDEE level. Total daily energy expenditure, which is your break even point in calorie intake)

 

[ChicagoBlues]

The rule of thumb is 1-1.5 g per 1 lb of body weight. It shouldn’t be that hard to accomplish if you eat high protein meals and protein shakes. I think after your workout is the most important time. I usually have 30-50 grams right after I lift. Remember, there are 3 phases in lifting depending on your goals and each requires calorie counting. 1) cutting (losing weight which requires a calorie deficit). 2) bulking or gaining muscle ( this requires a calorie surplus). 3) maintenance ( not gaining or losing weight and this requires eating at your TDEE level. Total daily energy expenditure, which is your break even point in calorie intake)

Love that, thank you. I would say that such a high amount of daily protein is not for me; it is for those who want to gain mass. Maybe?

 

[Mike Liut]

Love that, thank you. I would say that such a high amount of daily protein is not for me; it is for those who want to gain mass. Maybe?

Remember, muscles do not grow without protein and being in a caloric surplus.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Remember, muscles do not grow without protein and being in a caloric surplus.

Thank you.

I've got abut 20 years on you, I think, so I've noticed how my daily requirements have decreased.

I seem to have no problem maintaining the muscle that I have. I'm built like a typical hockey player; 6' 190lbs.

Thanx again.

 

[pseudoswede]

Did you know that in the lower level of Tower Grove Baptist Church there is an old-timey four-lane bowling alley and a roller skating rink?

In Maplewood, there was a bowling alley on the second floor of a building (I mean, who the heck would do that?) called Saratoga Lanes. It was the oldest bowling alley west of the Mississippi. My wife and I had our wedding reception* there. That was a blast.

* - long story short; we actually got married in the Clayton Courthouse, had our real wedding and reception in Sweden eight months later, and then had a wedding reception at Saratoga for all of our American friends

 

[ChicagoBlues]

In Maplewood, there was a bowling alley on the second floor of a building (I mean, who the heck would do that?) called Saratoga Lanes. It was the oldest bowling alley west of the Mississippi. My wife and I had our wedding reception* there. That was a blast.

* - long story short; we actually got married in the Clayton Courthouse, had our real wedding and reception in Sweden eight months later, and then had a wedding reception at Saratoga for all of our American friends

That's cool as shit, dude.

I remember Saratoga Lanes very well. We lived only a few blocks from Saratoga and my Dad was on a team there. Right up the hill to Sutton and a couple blocks down. Looking at Google Maps, I get thrown back to my childhood. I'll never forget when "they" tore down our house and the entire block of Arthur (this street no longer exists) from Manchester to Lohmeyer to build K-Mart (now Schnucks). We had three houses at different times in that immediate area. Arthur was the second one.

EDIT: We had free rein at that roller skating rink at Tower Grove. We had the whole place to ourselves while the parents and grandparents bowled. It’s kinda cool and creepy skating in a mostly dark skating rink all by ourselves. We had keys to the Church and could go there anytime we wanted.

Okay…nostalgia trip over.

 

[Memento]

That's the spirit!!!

In other news, I actually ate a Tootsie Roll and a couple Starbursts today. That's rare for me. When I want sweets, it is usually chocolate cake or Tennessee lemon pie with vanilla ice cream on top. Yum!

Another HB chapter done, lots of candy eaten (thank fate there's not a lot of kids here; more for us!), finishing listening to the entirety of the music on my iPhone (starting with Abandon All Ships, an awesome and badass metalcore band, and ending with 50 Cent). Over a thousand songs. Over a bunch of days. And I finally finished listening to them all. Why? Because it feels good to listen to every song I picked for my music, I get to listen to more than just my all-time favorites and recent choices, and sometimes, they can spring ideas that not even I can foresee.

All in all, Halloween was a fantastic day. I have not had the best two weeks (mostly because my left knee's all kind of f***ed right now; might be a serious strain because I heard and felt a pop, two Tuesdays ago, and can't extend or put weight on it. All because I did something stupid and showboating in physical therapy like a fool.), so getting down ideas and just...losing myself in them, managing to write them down and make them into words, sentences, paragraphs, chapters, and a whole story...I'm just trying to compartmentalize and think of the good, not the bad, and even though I'm expecting bad things to happen before 2024 is through...I at least have this.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Another HB chapter done, lots of candy eaten (thank fate there's not a lot of kids here; more for us!), finishing listening to the entirety of the music on my iPhone (starting with Abandon All Ships, an awesome and badass metalcore band, and ending with 50 Cent). Over a thousand songs. Over a bunch of days. And I finally finished listening to them all. Why? Because it feels good to listen to every song I picked for my music, I get to listen to more than just my all-time favorites and recent choices, and sometimes, they can spring ideas that not even I can foresee.

All in all, Halloween was a fantastic day. I have not had the best two weeks (mostly because my left knee's all kind of f***ed right now; might be a serious strain because I heard and felt a pop, two Tuesdays ago, and can't extend or put weight on it. All because I did something stupid and showboating in physical therapy like a fool.), so getting down ideas and just...losing myself in them, managing to write them down and make them into words, sentences, paragraphs, chapters, and a whole story...I'm just trying to compartmentalize and think of the good, not the bad, and even though I'm expecting bad things to happen before 2024 is through...I at least have this.

Sounds fun!

Knees are a mother f***er. I ice my knees every couple weeks. Be aggressive with ice packs for multiple overnights and see if that helps.

 

[pseudoswede]

I cannot stand provel cheese, so St. Louis-style pizza is a hard pass for me. I did love Fortel's Pizza Den. The cheese and ingredients tasted so good; and their toasted ravs were amazing. I honestly can't remember eating a lot of pizza when I lived in the STL. I would only hit Fortel's if I ventured out towards Ballwin; maybe the occasional NY slice at Racanelli's on the Loop or sharing a pizza with friends at Cicero's.

Otherwise, I love all kinds of pizza: thin-crust, hand-tossed, deep dish. Chicago, New York, Detroit, Rome, Naples. If it's lunch time and I'm in a Costco, you better believe I'm grabbing a cheese slice. Mod Pizza is great because you can load as many (or as few) toppings for the same price--plus they offer anchovies.

Swedish pizza is really unique because of the toppings they offer--a particular favorite is sliced steak and béarnaise sauce; another one is salami, onions, Bolognese sauce, and cayenne pepper. Another popular pizza combination has curry powder, bananas, and peanuts--my brother-in-law loves it, and I always question his sanity.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Caesar Salads cannot be called such without anchovies. Unfortunately, it’s difficult to find a real Caesar Salad, but I do know of one place here; The Sicilian Butcher.

 

[pseudoswede]

Caesar Salads cannot be called such without anchovies. Unfortunately, it’s difficult to find a real Caesar Salad, but I do know of one place here; The Sicilian Butcher.

When my parents were members of a somewhat upscale country club with monthly F&B spend requirements, they would sometimes invite my wife and I to go out to dinner with them if they needed to fulfill the requirement. They always offered white anchovies on top of their Caesar salad. I, of course, said yes; my wife would also say yes then give me her anchovies. One of the reasons why I love her.

 

[joe galiba]

Caesar Salads cannot be called such without anchovies. Unfortunately, it’s difficult to find a real Caesar Salad, but I do know of one place here; The Sicilian Butcher.

Caesar salad was invented in the early 1920s by Caesar Cardini, an Italian chef who owned a restaurant in Tijuana, Mexico.

He moved to Tijuana from California to avoid Prohibition, and it was here, on July 4th, 1924, where Caesar is believed to have invented the Caesar Salad. According to his daughter, Rose Cardini, the restaurant was overrun with American customers. Short on ingredients in the kitchen, her father assembled what was left: lettuce stalks, olive oil, raw egg, croutons, parmesan cheese and Worcestershire sauce.

so anchovies in a Caesar salad are only originally there as part of the ingredients of the Worcestershire sauce

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I cannot stand provel cheese, so St. Louis-style pizza is a hard pass for me. I did love Fortel's Pizza Den. The cheese and ingredients tasted so good; and their toasted ravs were amazing. I honestly can't remember eating a lot of pizza when I lived in the STL. I would only hit Fortel's if I ventured out towards Ballwin; maybe the occasional NY slice at Racanelli's on the Loop or sharing a pizza with friends at Cicero's.

Otherwise, I love all kinds of pizza: thin-crust, hand-tossed, deep dish. Chicago, New York, Detroit, Rome, Naples. If it's lunch time and I'm in a Costco, you better believe I'm grabbing a cheese slice. Mod Pizza is great because you can load as many (or as few) toppings for the same price--plus they offer anchovies.

Swedish pizza is really unique because of the toppings they offer--a particular favorite is sliced steak and béarnaise sauce; another one is salami, onions, Bolognese sauce, and cayenne pepper. Another popular pizza combination has curry powder, bananas, and peanuts--my brother-in-law loves it, and I always question his sanity.

When I was in the Army in Germany, I didn't live in the barracks. I had a girlfriend out on the economy and lived with her. Germans don't eat out much, but she wanted to order a pizza for delivery.

I told her to get whatever she wanted and what was delivered made me laugh. Corn, broccoli and ham pizza. It worked, though. You got the sweetness of the corn, the sulphur from the broccoli and savory saltiness from the ham.

One time, a buddy and I had been traveling for several weeks and as we entered Germany from Austria by train, we saw a Pizza Hut. After weeks of road food, we made a beeline to Pizza Hut. This was near Garmisch-Partenkirchen.

We knew we were close, but couldn't find it, so I asked two German girls, Wo ist Pizza Hut? Where is Pizza Hut? They looked confused like two puppies and then exclaimed, Oooooh, Pizza Hoot! Pizza was pronounced with a short 'i' and the word 'hut' in German means hat. So they think it is Pizza Hat.

Otherwise, when I ordered a pizza in Rome, it was not what I expected. LOL

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Caesar salad was invented in the early 1920s by Caesar Cardini, an Italian chef who owned a restaurant in Tijuana, Mexico.

He moved to Tijuana from California to avoid Prohibition, and it was here, on July 4th, 1924, where Caesar is believed to have invented the Caesar Salad. According to his daughter, Rose Cardini, the restaurant was overrun with American customers. Short on ingredients in the kitchen, her father assembled what was left: lettuce stalks, olive oil, raw egg, croutons, parmesan cheese and Worcestershire sauce.

so anchovies in a Caesar salad are only originally there as part of the ingredients of the Worcestershire sauce

Wow! Cool history of the venerable Caesar Salad. I'm going to pretend that whole anchovies have always been used, so that I'm right and you''re wrong. [sticking out my tongue emoji]

 

[Memento]

Sounds fun!

Knees are a mother f***er. I ice my knees every couple weeks. Be aggressive with ice packs for multiple overnights and see if that helps.

It's what I've been doing. Just icing it, hoping it gets better on its own. At least I have another chapter done and bought a lot of fun shit today?

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

When my parents were members of a somewhat upscale country club with monthly F&B spend requirements, they would sometimes invite my wife and I to go out to dinner with them if they needed to fulfill the requirement. They always offered white anchovies on top of their Caesar salad. I, of course, said yes; my wife would also say yes then give me her anchovies. One of the reasons why I love her.

I made a dish with white anchovies a few months ago....the most 'restaurant quality' item I've even prepared (if you don't count smoked brisket).

White anchovies over a risotto with some cheeses blended in, sprinkled with smoky toasted almonds and a fish sauce caramel. That caramel was something incredible.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I made a dish with white anchovies a few months ago....the most 'restaurant quality' item I've even prepared (if you don't count smoked brisket).

White anchovies over a risotto with some cheeses blended in, sprinkled with smoky toasted almonds and a fish sauce caramel. That caramel was something incredible.

Damn that sounds delicious!

I’ll take two, please.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

It's what I've been doing. Just icing it, hoping it gets better on its own. At least I have another chapter done and bought a lot of fun shit today?

A collagen peptide powder would do wonders for you and I recommend Vital Proteins brand.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

1991 dancing around the pitch black Iraqi desert.

'Breathe' by Ministry

Corporate causes with self-served denial
The raping of the land
Collapse
The lungs malfunction
They never learned to breathe
Breathe!
Rusted syringes and half-thought disposal
A burial at sea
Waste water graveyard
Swimming in disease
Breathe!
This is the world
It's not working
This is this earth
Breathe! breathe, you f***er!
Children gasping the second-hand air
Death and desperation
We've got to cut the lies with truth
We breathe
Breathe!
This is the world
The clock's ticking
Is this this earth?
Breathe! breathe, you f***er!
Hope springs eternal but there's no conviction
Action mistaken for ransom is paid
All this concern is the true contradiction
The world is insane
Breathe!
This is the world
It's got no future
Is this this earth?
Breathe! breathe, you f***er!

 

[bluesXwinXtheXcup]

Anyone else remember these numbers?

2, 4, 5, 9, 11, and 30.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I recommend adding a pinch of salt to your water. Not bleached, iodized table salt, which is just sodium-chloride, but sea salt or the pink stuff or Atlantic grey salt. High-quality salts will add back minerals to your water and help with nutrient absorption. Real electrolytes without the sugar.

I also recommend an iodine solution supplement of four drops almost daily. Four days on, one day off. Repeat. Iodine will bind to harmful metals that we consume, ingest, inhale etc and expel them.

 

[Memento]

A collagen peptide powder would do wonders for you and I recommend Vital Proteins brand.

Don't know if we have that: I live in a medical group home due to disability. I've just been icing it at night and lightly stretching to keep it from tightening up and losing all of the progress I made in PT.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Don't know if we have that: I live in a medical group home due to disability. I've just been icing it at night and lightly stretching to keep it from tightening up and losing all of the progress I made in PT.

I just buy it at Amazon dot com. It's only $15 for 7 servings of high-powered collagen. Might be worth it for a concentrated treatment. Smash the crap out of that container while you're icing your knee.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Anyone else remember these numbers?

2, 4, 5, 9, 11, and 30.

Remember them in reference to what?

 

[bluesXwinXtheXcup]

Remember them in reference to what?

Television