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AjaxManifesto

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The one thing I've grown to accept is that st. Louis is not a sought after location. Even more reason to hold on to our prospects. I've come to accept we probably aren't going to get our top 6 forwards unless they are drafted. They cost too much in a trade to be worth it.

In a way I miss Backes. I think he liked living here. Now after a few years in Boston, he may never want to come back.
 

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It’s a complete mess. Sometimes new posts load other times it lies and says that their are new posts, but nothing shows. HF needs to get their shit figured out. I have been spending more time on STLToday form as a result, which tells how annoyed I am with Hf. Because I never go over there.
 

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The one thing I've grown to accept is that st. Louis is not a sought after location. Even more reason to hold on to our prospects. I've come to accept we probably aren't going to get our top 6 forwards unless they are drafted. They cost too much in a trade to be worth it.
We should tank next season and trade now this off-season both Berglund and Sobotka for 2019 draft picks (2nd or 3rd). Trade away at TDL Gunnar or Jbo for pick(s). Give them time for rehab level what they could reach and gain some trade value. There is also one guy who should be at trade block: Steen. He should be one who we should trade before his value dropps. He has currently 7mill.$ (18-19) 5.75mill.$(19-20) 3.50mill.$ (20-21).
 

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Lots of despair here and in the STLToday forums about not landing the top free agents in the NHL.

Lots of speculation about elite players not wanting to play here because of the city, the organization, the coach, the locker room...

I’m usually the pessimist in the room, but in this case I’m more of an optimist. I see a multi season plan where we get out prospects ready and bring in some veteran talent when the price is right.

Right now JT is driving the cost of things up and up.

I’m hopeful DA doesn’t do something stupid and overpay for a player or deal away a great kid in our system just to make a deal, just to make a headline, just to make an edgy fan base happy over the summer.
 
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No connection to us in the tweet but it terrifies me regardless

I know that I am in the minority, but I like Bozak as a player.

I think his defensive shortcomings are overstated and he has averaged 50 points per 82 games over the past 3 seasons. 43 points this past season was disappointing, but that was entirely down to his shooting percentage being half his career average.

I'd have no problem giving him $5m for 3 years. The problem is that he'll probably be looking for a Steen or Backes type contract, and I'm a lot less comfortable with that.

I'd prefer Bozak to Stastny. At least it forces us to do things differently.
 

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I know that I am in the minority, but I like Bozak as a player.

I think his defensive shortcomings are overstated and he has averaged 50 points per 82 games over the past 3 seasons. 43 points this past season was disappointing, but that was entirely down to his shooting percentage being half his career average.

I'd have no problem giving him $5m for 3 years. The problem is that he'll probably be looking for a Steen or Backes type contract, and I'm a lot less comfortable with that.

I'd prefer Bozak to Stastny. At least it forces us to do things differently.
I too would prefer Bozak to stas if we're doing center in FA, but If we get him and then get Skinner as our winger addition, those are two players with serious defensive liabilities. I suppose Yeo would manage and utilize matchups, but that and his contract term would be my caveats.
 

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Is a 32 yr old Bozak really and better than Berglund as a 3c?
I think the benefit of Bozak would be on the power play. Additionally, adding him would let Berglund slot in on rw to help Thomas on the 3rd line. that's assuming Thomas makes the team and slots into Brodziak's role from last year.
 

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No thanks on Bozak, Blues should be more skilled next year with internal options (Thomas, Kyrou, Fabbri). Id rather save our finite cap space for a better player. I think the fairest criticism of Army is that he gives out too many medium size contracts for average/declining players, and I think Bozak fits right into the category.
 

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That actually makes more sense, because from what I was understanding with the Kings signing Kovalchuck they wouldn't have the cap space for him anyway.
It says he's a NY Islanders beat writer and he doesn't have a ton of Twitter followers, but still has 8k+

JR flat out said there was no interest in St. Louis. So I dont know
 

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Since the Tavares thread was locked.... I'll put this here


https://nypost.com/2018/06/23/islanders-push-to-re-sign-john-tavares-just-got-five-times-harder/

Who's Brett Cyrgalis, in the days of anybody can write anything, he says the Blues may be in with the Kings being out.
JR says that he had it confirmed to him that the Blues are out. I don't put much stock into some of what he says, but when he is matter-of-fact about something then I don't remember him being wrong.
 

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Well Bozak is a ~50 point player and Berglund is ~35 point player. Bozak is also a RHS that can comfortably play on the RW and has a career 13.8 shooting percentage.

Considering what we are looking for, he is a better option than Berglund.


Bozak had 43 points last year. He could easily have peaked at 32 yrs old and now declining. I’m not sure im interested in a 32 yr 43 point player on a multi year deal.
 

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Bozak had 43 points last year. He could easily have peaked at 32 yrs old and now declining. I’m not sure im interested in a 32 yr 43 point player on a multi year deal.
That's fair, but his shooting percentage was also half his career average. If he had been at that level of shooting then he'd have been over 50 points again.

He has certainly peaked and isn't going to be more than a ~50 point player, but I don't think his shooting just fell off a cliff at 31. He had some bad luck.
 

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That's fair, but his shooting percentage was also half his career average. If he had been at that level of shooting then he'd have been over 50 points again.

He has certainly peaked and isn't going to be more than a ~50 point player, but I don't think his shooting just fell off a cliff at 31. He had some bad luck.
He may have had some bad luck, but do you want to gamble a 5 year contract on that (if he is getting a lot of attention it will probably take a 5 year contract to sign him). I'm not saying we wouldn't take him, because we definitely need centers, but that contract will be terrible in a few years.
 

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He may have had some bad luck, but do you want to gamble a 5 year contract on that (if he is getting a lot of attention it will probably take a 5 year contract to sign him). I'm not saying we wouldn't take him, because we definitely need centers, but that contract will be terrible in a few years.
I wouldn't have a problem giving him 3 years at $5m, but I suspect that he'll be looking for the Steen/Backes type contract and that's the biggest problem with going after Bozak.

I'm not interested in 5 years at $5.5m, or whatever.

I'm pretty critical of Armstrong, but when it comes to UFA he has a price and term in mind and he doesn't really move on that. We've seen it with the likes of Filppula and Weiss, so I'm not concerned that he'll make a crazy offer to Bozak.
 
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Well Bozak is a ~50 point player and Berglund is ~35 point player. Bozak is also a RHS that can comfortably play on the RW and has a career 13.8 shooting percentage.

Considering what we are looking for, he is a better option than Berglund.

Yeah, this mirrors my opinion. Also, Bozak works as a brodge for Thomas to get time playing 3rd line minutes while Bozak can work solidly on the 2nd for a year. The contract probably won't be ideal, but outside of him and Tavares there ware no real top 9 centers in free agency this year and no right wingers (especially right handed ones) in free agency this year. If we aren't getting Bozak this year, do we target anyome? Do we just trade to fill multiple holes, cause going super all in that way feels like a mistake.

Bozak just feels like the signing I feel we almost have to make now, even if I'm not head over heels about it. The alternatives are trade a lot of futures, sign someone who fills our needs a lot less, or stand pat.
 
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