Post-Game Talk: Blues 5 - Jets 2 Series tied at 3

[DRW204]

some people acting like the blues invented the screen and helle is the only one that has to face it...

i agree, it's not like screening is uncommon. the Jets deal with screens in the regular season, and Helle has all-world stats.

however, where's the Jets net front presence? nino provided some but other than that it's been way lesser in comparison to the blues.

 

[surixon]

Yup Ehlers scores and its a different game ... maybe.
The second goal was all Demelo's fault seriously any good defensmen would have taken Broberg into the boards when he went around the net. Instead Broberg stops and pass the puck to the SMALLEST Blues player standing in front of Helle UNTOUCHED. Helle had no chance on that play. Who knows maybe that threw Helle off his game questioning himself WTF I am suppose to do? The Schenn followed goal that which was bad but it looks like the shot hit the bottom on Poink's stick to change the angle ... not an excuse Helle should of had it.
All this noise of Helle has to be getting to him and who knows maybe he trying harder and its just throwing him off his game. To blame Helle for the losses imo is just BS after everything he has done for the Jets he gets treated like crap.

He's being called out because his performance is well below his norm.

He isn't the only problem but his performance or lack there of is biggest problem so yes he is getting the lions share of the blame and its 100% warranted imo.

Past the point of caring about his regular season greatness. He's got the awards and the accolades for those both fan and league wide.

Put up or shut up in the playoffs. Sure that also applies to Lowry and to a less extent JoMo.

It's not different on any other team. If McDrai stinks out the joint and their team loses their fans are on them as well. It comes with the territory of being the best player on the team. Tampa fans want to run Point out of town for a no show performance. If he can't take the heat when it matters then he's nowhere near the best goalie that he's pegged to be.

 

[surixon]

Having as many hits is only stats. Watch the games and you will see the nature of the hits that the Blues are pounding onto the Jets. They are grinding us to sand including targetting our stars. It has been an effective strategy for them. We may have about the same number of stats hits, but they continue to pound the shit out of us with theirs.

And we are still carrying the run of play. What does that say?

We arent loosing because we are getting hit more, we are lossong because we are averaging 4 goals against per game and Helle is stopping 13% less shots then he did in the regular season.

 

[puck stoppa]

Don’t worry, the Helly whisperer will be in the house, taking my kid to game 7!
Short memory, no dwelling, it’s playoffs you look ahead to the opportunity in front of you! Positive vibes only, confidence and trust, go jets go!

 

[Howard Chuck]

i agree, it's not like screening is uncommon. the Jets deal with screens in the regular season, and Helle has all-world stats.

however, where's the Jets net front presence? nino provided some but other than that it's been way lesser in comparison to the blues.

I agree, but on the flip side, if it's such an obviously effective tactic in the Playoffs, why aren't the Jets employing it? We mostly skate to the boards and pass around the perimeter. Get some bodies net front and shoot, shoot, shoot.

Barron is the only player fighting to carry the puck to the net and trying everything in his power to get there instead of skating behind the net or pulling up at the side wall.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Don’t worry, the Helly whisperer will be in the house, taking my kid to game 7!
Short memory, no dwelling, it’s playoffs you look ahead to the opportunity in front of you! Positive vibes only, confidence and trust, go jets go!

Be goldfish.

 

[Goodette]

My worry is that our home games have been close. Can you imagine the fire St Louis will rain down on our net in the last minutes of a close game? I honestly have no idea if we can stop that.

 

[Jet]

I agree, but on the flip side, if it's such an obviously effective tactic in the Playoffs, why aren't the Jets employing it? We mostly skate to the boards and pass around the perimeter. Get some bodies net front and shoot, shoot, shoot.

Barron is the only player fighting to carry the puck to the net and trying everything in his power to get there instead of skating behind the net or pulling up at the side wall.

And somehow he's still relegated to 3rd line when our captain is obviously nursing something.

You can't tell me that a big, fast net driving C with decent defensive chops wouldn't work really well with Nik and Smurf

 

[Jet]

My worry is that our home games have been close. Can you imagine the fire St Louis will rain down on our net in the last minutes of a close game? I honestly have no idea if we can stop that.

Well we know Hellebuyck can't

 

[Mud Turtle]

And somehow he's still relegated to 3rd line when our captain is obviously nursing something.

You can't tell me that a big, fast net driving C with decent defensive chops wouldn't work really well with Nik and Smurf

That’s very true. When I think of all the hard drives to the front of the net recently (like Wheeler once did) they’ve mostly all been by Barron.

 

[Jet]

That’s very true. When I think of all the hard drives to the front of the net recently (like Wheeler once did) they’ve mostly all been by Barron.

I mean if I had my way I'd do this (assuming Scheifele isn't back for game 7)

Connor Barron Vilardi
Ehlers Kupari Perfetti
Niederrater Lowry Iafallo
Dolan Namestnikov Tanev

Morrissey Demelo
Samberg Pionk
Stanley Miller

But that's a wild idea in a game 7.

 

[Jack7222]

I mean if I had my way I'd do this (assuming Scheifele isn't back for game 7)

Connor Barron Vilardi
Ehlers Kupari Perfetti
Niederrater Lowry Iafallo
Dolan Namestnikov Tanev

Morrissey Demelo
Samberg Pionk
Stanley Miller

But that's a wild idea in a game 7.

I like the first line Barron but also would keep Lowry between Ehlers and Perfetti and use Namest between Nino and Iafallo, then just put Kupari / Toninato on 4th.

Also 100% agree with dropping Schenn and Appleton; they've been amazingly bad imho.

 

[tbcwpg]

I mean if I had my way I'd do this (assuming Scheifele isn't back for game 7)

Connor Barron Vilardi
Ehlers Kupari Perfetti
Niederrater Lowry Iafallo
Dolan Namestnikov Tanev

Morrissey Demelo
Samberg Pionk
Stanley Miller

But that's a wild idea in a game 7.

That's something you try in the preseason, not game 7.

 

[roccerfeller]

Can you imagine you have a leaky goalie, you go into a building where you've played like shit and the first shot goes in after you've held the play for several minutes?

Then, you battle back, tie it up after having a disallowed goal, and the opposition marches down and scores again AND THEN your goalie lets in a goal that a well placed snowbank would have stopped?

Please try and tell me that that does not affect a team.

Thats how I feel this morning too

Definitely more heated last night lol.



As an aside - Hot garbage sports on YouTube has a great break down

 

[kylbaz]

Wasn’t it Lowry who got destroyed by Schenn in game 1 or2?

Yep. And I wonder if he got hurt there because he's been absolutely invisible.

 

[kylbaz]

Can you imagine you have a leaky goalie, you go into a building where you've played like shit and the first shot goes in after you've held the play for several minutes?

Then, you battle back, tie it up after having a disallowed goal, and the opposition marches down and scores again AND THEN your goalie lets in a goal that a well placed snowbank would have stopped?

Please try and tell me that that does not affect a team.

I've said that every playoff as he's done the same. Even when he's played okay he lets that one soft goal in. Jets controlling play and other team comes down and scored an easy one. It's demoralizing. Team just wonders when the next one is.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

A comment about the Arniel post game presser - when you find yourself saying 'uncharacteristic errors for our group' (or some form of that) in so many of your post game press conferences, those have become characteristic errors for our group. Just sayin'

 

[roccerfeller]

A comment about the Arniel post game presser - when you find yourself saying 'uncharacteristic errors for our group' (or some form of that) in so many of your post game press conferences, those have become characteristic errors for our group. Just sayin'

It’s in the context of the season I think, but fair

Though there’s a good blues team on the other end too

 

[Buffdog]

Helle has allowed 23 goals on 124 shots this series

If he played up to his season numbers, he'd have let in 10 (well, 9.3 but I rounded up)

Evening he just played to the league average, he'd be around 10 fewer goals

Maybe he should spend a little less time studying goaltending, and a little more studying psychology lol

 

[JetsUK]

Argh.

Baffling Helle, awful game.

I'm watching on catchup and even then our youngest was getting so agitated they had to leave the room to calm down.

Though the forwards were solid for the most part, bar Apples' awful slowmo offside. How differwnt might the game have been had that goal counted and Helle not let in 2 in a a blink?

Agree that the 3rd pairing is awful and needs to be broken up -- but the time for that may have passed. Too slow, can't (or aren't allowed to) hit, can transition and slow down any line they play with, as well as the top 4 D. This is the second straight year the team have kneecapped themselves with the 3rd pairing -- wtf is going on? Sure, it's a small part of the whole, but the POs are all about margins, and the Jets are essentially conceding whatever minutes those guys are on for.

Helle -- don't get it. Makes no sense that the back to back Vezina winner and Hart finalist loses his mind in the playoffs, but there it is. The time to pop Comrie in was, again, several games ago, now the pressure has piled up still more, and the team are playing the Blues with a 1-2 goal handicap.

Legendary season -- and here we are. If they can pull it together the team still has a chance but honestly, who'd bet on Helle? Esp without 55?

Argh.

 

[roccerfeller]

Helle has allowed 23 goals on 124 shots this series

If he played up to his season numbers, he'd have let in 10 (well, 9.3 but I rounded up)

Evening he just played to the league average, he'd be around 10 fewer goals

Maybe he should spend a little less time studying goaltending, and a little more studying psychology lol

There’s an interesting train of thought that he is being too reliant on being too technical with his game, which leads to a lot of overthinking

 

[snowkiddin]

Helle has allowed 23 goals on 124 shots this series

If he played up to his season numbers, he'd have let in 10 (well, 9.3 but I rounded up)

Evening he just played to the league average, he'd be around 10 fewer goals

Maybe he should spend a little less time studying goaltending, and a little more studying psychology lol

Agreed. How do you like your eggs?

 

[Thechozen1]

I'm not happy obviously but this is why winning the President's trophy is important. Home ice advantage especially for game 7's all through the playoffs. And i think we win tomorrow.

Agreed that that is why you want the President’s Trophy.

Love your optimism. Wish I had it. Unfortunately I don’t.

 

[Hobble]

There’s an interesting train of thought that he is being too reliant on being too technical with his game, which leads to a lot of overthinking

So essentially too much time reading books, and not enough getting laid.

 

[Jet]

I like the first line Barron but also would keep Lowry between Ehlers and Perfetti and use Namest between Nino and Iafallo, then just put Kupari / Toninato on 4th.

Also 100% agree with dropping Schenn and Appleton; they've been amazingly bad imho.

I wouldn't mind that at all.