Blues 2024-2025 Prospect Thread

Here was interesting thought I had with Snuggy.

What would have had if Snuggy became pro last year? Would Army have still made offer sheet on both Holloway & Broberg??? I think Broberg still would have but not sure if they would have offer sheet Holloway still. Or would they have not made trades for the like of Texier, Joseph, or Faksa?

Why would Snuggy gave changed anything on Broberg? He doesn't fix the left side of our D. I think we might not gave traded for Texier or Joseph. But you don't pass on guys like Holloway and Broberg for that price, especially when we still need LD.
 
I'm adding Quinton Burns to my top d-men prospect list.

Lindstein, Fischer, Loof, Ralph, Koromysov, Burns, Jiricek, McIsaac
Here’s how I see them in tiers:

Lindstein

Jiricek
Fischer
Ralph
Burns
Koromyslov

Skinner
Johannesson

Buchinger
McIsaac
Lööf
Mayich

Gaudet
Malmstrom

As of today, I really only consider the top 6 guys as viable NHL prospects. But guys in the next 2 tiers have the ability to move up. I’ve seen enough of Gaudet and Malmstrom to say I’d be shocked if either ever developed into NHL caliber d-men.
 
Why would Snuggy gave changed anything on Broberg? He doesn't fix the left side of our D. I think we might not gave traded for Texier or Joseph. But you don't pass on guys like Holloway and Broberg for that price, especially when we still need LD.

That's what I said. I think they still offer sheet Broberg, but not sure if they would have Holloway unless they don't make those trades.
 
That's what I said. I think they still offer sheet Broberg, but not sure if they would have Holloway unless they don't make those trades.

Holloway was part of the strategy of Broberg. Giving both an offer sheet put more pressure on their cap. I think even if they didn't like Holliway as much as I think they did, they'd still have tried to OS him to make it more likely to land Broberg.

Plus Holloway was a top 10 pick who had shown flashes of potential and played a Bluesy game. We would have still had the cap. There is no reason not to just because of Snuggy. We could always have buried Joseph, Texuer or Walker in the AHL if needed
 
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Holloway was part of the strategy of Broberg. Giving both an offer sheet put more pressure on their cap. I think even if they didn't like Holliway as much as I think they did, they'd still gave tried to make it mire likely to land Broberg.

Plus Holloway was a top 10 pick Who had shown flashes if potential and played a Bluesy game. We would gave still had the cap. There us no reason not to just because of Snuggy. We could always gave burned Joseph, Texuer ir Walker in the AHL if needed
I'm reminded of when people debated whether Steen or Colaiacovo was the main piece in the Stempniak trade. Or Shattenkirk or Stewart.

Eventually, the answer was Steen, but at the time it wasn't that obvious. And Stewart....he had that glorious backhand OT winner vs Columbus that one time, and a LOT of times you wanted more.
 
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Holloway was part of the strategy of Broberg. Giving both an offer sheet put more pressure on their cap. I think even if they didn't like Holliway as much as I think they did, they'd still have tried to OS him to make it more likely to land Broberg.

Plus Holloway was a top 10 pick who had shown flashes of potential and played a Bluesy game. We would have still had the cap. There is no reason not to just because of Snuggy. We could always have buried Joseph, Texuer or Walker in the AHL if needed
Holloway was the 14th pick. But I do agree I don't think Snuggerud had anything to do with the OS, they would have done it either way.
 
I'm reminded of when people debated whether Steen or Colaiacovo was the main piece in the Stempniak trade. Or Shattenkirk or Stewart.

Eventually, the answer was Steen, but at the time it wasn't that obvious. And Stewart....he had that glorious backhand OT winner vs Columbus that one time, and a LOT of times you wanted more.
Stewie lead our team in scoring in that lockout-shortened season. When he was on, he was a perfect top-6 Blues player. A great physical presence with a real scoring touch. There was a time when I believed he could become our version of Ryan Kessler. But you’re totally right, he would just flat out disappear for games, half a season at a time. Just totally useless. Honestly in retrospect Berglund was similar in some of those respects.
 
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I don't disagree that they are the best, but they are also way too human in the way they officiate games. It's no secret that refs have it out for some teams or some players and there is plenty of history and stats to back that statement up. They do a difficult job and I realize it's never going to be perfect, but they also need to be held accountable when they make a very obvious bad call. They (I believe) are the only officials in pro sports who do not have to answer to the league, media, or fans when they are headstrong in their decision, which I think leads to the product becoming worse over time. Again, I do not disagree they have an impossible job and do it quite well, but they need to be help accountable as well.
They absolutely have to answer to the league. The NHL has an officiating department that hires, fires, promotes, demotes, and regularly evaluates officials. Their employment, game assignments, and potential demotion to the AHL is all directly determined by the league based on how the league judges their performance.

How do refs in other sports answer to their leagues in ways that NHL refs don't? In what ways are refs in other sports answering to the media and fans? I'm not being hyperbolic; I'm genuinely curious what you mean because I'm not aware.
 
They absolutely have to answer to the league. The NHL has an officiating department that hires, fires, promotes, demotes, and regularly evaluates officials. Their employment, game assignments, and potential demotion to the AHL is all directly determined by the league based on how the league judges their performance.

How do refs in other sports answer to their leagues in ways that NHL refs don't? In what ways are refs in other sports answering to the media and fans? I'm not being hyperbolic; I'm genuinely curious what you mean because I'm not aware.
In MLB umpires can be fined and suspended I know that. Not sure about other leagues.
 
They absolutely have to answer to the league. The NHL has an officiating department that hires, fires, promotes, demotes, and regularly evaluates officials. Their employment, game assignments, and potential demotion to the AHL is all directly determined by the league based on how the league judges their performance.

How do refs in other sports answer to their leagues in ways that NHL refs don't? In what ways are refs in other sports answering to the media and fans? I'm not being hyperbolic; I'm genuinely curious what you mean because I'm not aware.
Sure, they answer to the league, but linesmen and officials are rewarded based on nepotism. Most of the officials who officiate in the playoffs are veterans with over 1000 games in the NHL. If anything, the young guys are the ones who are disciplined in the league if there is reason to, whereas it seems like from what I've seen that the officials with 1000+ games hardly have to answer. Again, my contention is with the guys who display favoritism towards certain players or teams. For example, there was a stretch of like 10 years or so where the Leafs were in the top 5 most penalized team and were like bottom 5 for drawing penalties. There's absolutely no way that I'm going to believe that every year they displayed the same type of penalty taken/penalty drawn behavior. Players like Michael Bunting who started playing as an agitator got rewarded with getting penalized when there was no reason for it, while players like Marchand can do basically whatever he wants and get away with it.

As far as how other refs answer in other leagues, I thought NBA and NFL refs took press conferences or something similar, but it doesn't look like they do anymore? I guess all I can go off is a feeling at this point and it feels to me that NHL refs are held to the lowest standard across the 4 major USA sports.
 
Stewie lead our team in scoring in that lockout-shortened season. When he was on, he was a perfect top-6 Blues player. A great physical presence with a real scoring touch. There was a time when I believed he could become our version of Ryan Kessler. But you’re totally right, he would just flat out disappear for games, half a season at a time. Just totally useless. Honestly in retrospect Berglund was similar in some of those respects.
Maybe the most precious quality for a great player is having an elite motor. Many guys are athletically gifted and COULD be great, but there are guys who pathologically hate to lose or are afraid to fail to an extent that they show up ready to compete every night. It’s special when you see it. But Stewart wasn’t that guy. I loved Berglund as a player who was easy to root for, but he didn’t have that drive either. I hope he’s happy these days.
 
Here’s how I see them in tiers:

Lindstein

Jiricek
Fischer
Ralph
Burns
Koromyslov

Skinner
Johannesson

Buchinger
McIsaac
Lööf
Mayich

Gaudet
Malmstrom

As of today, I really only consider the top 6 guys as viable NHL prospects. But guys in the next 2 tiers have the ability to move up. I’ve seen enough of Gaudet and Malmstrom to say I’d be shocked if either ever developed into NHL caliber d-men.
That's an interesting list. I see it a bit different, but I get your rankings
Lindstein

Burns
Jiricek
Fischer/Ralph
Koromyslov
McIsaac

Loof
Skinner
Johanneson

Buchinger
Mayich
Malmstrom
Gaudet
 
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