Maybe, but not if I’m the one getting a vote, which of course I don’t. Had a chance to sign here and cement his legacy and instead chased the money because he was butthurt over some signings by DA.
Blues 2024-2025 Prospect Thread
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Memento
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Again, it wouldn't hurt my feelings either way. I don't believe in retiring numbers unless they're Hall of Famers, even with deaths. I'm sorry, but that's my feeling. I loved hearing from my dad about Gassoff, but he's not a Hall of Famer. I was at Bobby Plager's retirement ceremony against the Leafs, I gave my dad the banner I got, and I respect all of his contributions to the city of St. Louis, but he's not in the Hall. Same with Barclay.
If they weren't generational talents and exceptional people who played an immense role on the team, I don't see why they should retire the numbers. Honor? Absolutely, but never retire.
Reminder that WHL playoffs are on Victory+. Mrsic and Jecho teams are squaring off now.
kimzey59
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Gonna have to disagree with you on Bobby.
Retiring his number wasn't just about his role as a player or any "contributions to the city".
He literally held every position in the organization except GM.
Player, Coach(Assistant and Head), Scout, VP of Player Development, Broadcaster; the guy literally did it all.
He was a part of this Franchise in some form for our entire existence until the day he died.
He was the soul of the Franchise and it went FAR beyond anything he did on the ice.
53 years of dedication to this franchise makes him as deserving of being in the rafters as anybody else up there.
I can agree with you on a lot of the other non-HOF types; but Bobby is a special case.
Memento
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Again, I can understand honoring Bobby...but retiring numbers is something I would bestow only on the best players to wear the Note - or any other organization I cheer for. Only special players and people deserve that honor.
Bobby was definitely a special person who meant so much, everything, to the organization...but let's face facts: he wasn't a special player.
Retiring a number should be amongst the best of the best of the best, and I feel that for all of my sports teams. Honoring? Absolutely. A St. Louis Hall of Fame induction? Absolutely. But I don't believe in retiring a player's number unless the player and person is special in every way.
Not sure what happened as I missed it watching Canucks game, but Mrsic apparently got hurt tonight. Anyone have any details?
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Both looked good in the game that I saw. Mrsic stepped it up a notch as did Jecho. Good to see.
I didn't see an injury. His last shift was in the first period. I assumed maybe he was just sick. They never said anything about an injury, just that he hasn't taken a shift since the first. No clue.
I was thinking Lindros, forgot kane used it.
I would go for Binnington, cup winning goalie, stayed here instead of chasing money, franchise leader in wins. has been a Blue since the day he was drafted.
nah, f*** Pietrangelo, he lost it all by chasing the money.
Retiring numbers isn't about stats, it's about what the player meant to the city. I can't think of many athletes that have meant as much to this city as Bobby did. Musial? Brock? Hull? Pujols? That's about all I can think of that match Bobby.
Who is this Mr Sic?
Memento
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Like I've already mentioned, I'm not supporting Pietrangelo getting his number retired. I'm saying he's the only one I'd consider under my own criteria (Hall of Famer, having his best seasons with the team, superb person).
And again, like I've mentioned, honor Bobby's number. Honor Barclay, honor Gassoff. But why retire any number if they aren't a bona-fide HOFer as a player and a person who meant a lot to the city? If you just retire numbers based on the latter, you wouldn't have any numbers left, and it cheapens the honor. I understand Bobby meant a lot to St. Louis, but so did David Freese for the Cardinals. Are you going to retire his number, too?
Well Freese was only important for one season. Bobby and the others I mentioned were that way for a bare minimum of a decade or more and in Bobbys case, 50 years.
fcpremix88
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I would be okay with retiring multiple numbers from the Cup winning team. Like why not? 50, 27, 90, 91… and then retire 7 too.
I don’t understand the aversion to celebrating our best players and performances. Let our future greats create their own legacies with different numbers.
I don’t understand the aversion to celebrating our best players and performances. Let our future greats create their own legacies with different numbers.
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The Leafs have retired 17 numbers, are they all deserving of being retired? All of those retired players have been or are about to be passed in points by guys who haven't even hit 30 yet and have played just 9 seasons in Toronto. Should Nylander, Marner, and Matthews have their numbers retired if they are 1, 2, and 3 all time in points in the Leafs' history? I think Xerloris is right, but also think the points or performance argument can and should be made as well. People like Pujols did both - literally one of if not the best right handed hitter of all time and a massive positive influence on the St. Louis community for his tenure here and after. Bobby P did less of the stats, but was a huge influence here in St. Louis and remained loyal to the city until he passed. Both are deserving of being retired for different reasons, but both are equally valid. Backes is an interesting one because he captained the team, put up points, and was great in the community, but neither scored enough nor impacted the community or the team enough to warrant a number being retired. I would almost argue the same for Petro but he won the only cup here which would be the only reason he would get his number retired. Of the players right now who might have a chance to have their number retired, I think Thomas would have the best chance if he stays here his whole career and passes Federko in points. At this point, he would have to play 9 seasons and be healthy for most of it while still scoring at his current pace, but he could do that before he turns 36 which seems reasonable. Don't know why I decided to add that point but there you go.
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I prefer soccer or football route. Honor numbers, but every number is technically available. Each club would have certain numbers only used for certain players. Like for us, we'd only let someone wear 5 if they embody what Bobby represented. Or premium numbers are reserved for premium players.
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Memento
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Again, I believe in honoring numbers, but not retiring entirely unless the players are exceptional. Take the Cardinals, for example. Albert Pujols? Absolutely, without question. If Molina makes the Hall? Sure, since he stayed in the organization for his entire career and was a HOF level player who won two championships. Wainwright? No. Honor his number, but don't retire it.
I don't think the numbers of Enos Slaughter, Ken Boyer, and Ted Simmons should've been retired either. Stan Musial? Absolutely, his number should be retired, given how much he meant to the city. Red Schoendienst? Absolutely, his number should be retired, given that he was a HOF level player and meant the world to the organization (he's basically a better playing Bobby, only for baseball). Brock, Gibson, Dizzy, Ozzie? Yes, absolutely, especially considering how much they meant to champion level teams and their contributions and character being far above the pale. But anyone else (including managers; I have no idea why baseball managers have numbers)? No.
Quite simply, I disagree with a lot of you, and I get why you disagree with me. I just feel that there's too many retired numbers already, and I feel like such an honor should have those players be exceptional for that team as far as players and people, something even more exceptional than the Hall (and yes, I'm a Big Hall person in all sports, when it comes to history). It cannot take an early death or an injury either; honor that number and person, but don't retire it forever.
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There was a graphic at the game last week showing Thomas about to pass Schwartz and enter 15th all-time in pts. That felt surprising to me, so I looked a little closer: barring significant injuries, Thomas is trending to be 3rd in pts and 2nd in assists well prior to turning 30.
Don’t think he passes Bernie in assists, or total pts, but he might get close.
After realizing this, it made me think who from the 2019 team could have their number retired. If you peruse the list of all the numbers -by team- that are retired, there are very few non-HOF players. 7 to be exact, and the Blues have two of those seven: Gassoff and Martin.
I think Binnington is likely to be the third name added to that list. If Thomas goes on another run at some point during his tenure, he probably gets it, too.
Don’t think he passes Bernie in assists, or total pts, but he might get close.
After realizing this, it made me think who from the 2019 team could have their number retired. If you peruse the list of all the numbers -by team- that are retired, there are very few non-HOF players. 7 to be exact, and the Blues have two of those seven: Gassoff and Martin.
I think Binnington is likely to be the third name added to that list. If Thomas goes on another run at some point during his tenure, he probably gets it, too.
kimzey59
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Honor him how?
Paint a mural like we did for the #7? That isn't nearly sufficient for what Bobby did for this team IMO.
There is a "builders" category in the Hockey Hall of Fame. For some messed up reason, it's become reserved for GM's and Coaches. IMO there's a lot more to that category than just a W/L record behind the scenes and Bobby is the definition of what should qualify for induction in that category. The guy literally built the Blues brand. You can't tell the story of the Blues without bringing up his name. He WAS the history of the Blues prior to the Cup win. His story belongs in a place of prominence in the Blues HOF and his name belongs in the rafters because none of those HOF'ers would have even been St. Louis Blues if not for what Bobby did and who he was.
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How huge would be it for our re-tool if Holloway and Bolduc become perennial 30g scorers?
Memento
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Why not something similar to what we did for Dan Kelly? Sure, hang his name and make it a builders category, but I just disagree with retiring numbers.
I'm not saying we can't or shouldn't honor him. I'm just saying to not retire the number.
I'm with Memento honestly.
Retiring numbers should be based on what that player did while wearing that number.
#2, #16, #24, and #44 are the only ones I'd say should absolutely be retired. Sutter's #11 is the next closest, but I see him as being in the same category as like a Tarasenko, and I wouldn't retire his number.
I don't mind the rest of those guys being in the rafters, but why retire the number?
Retiring numbers should be based on what that player did while wearing that number.
#2, #16, #24, and #44 are the only ones I'd say should absolutely be retired. Sutter's #11 is the next closest, but I see him as being in the same category as like a Tarasenko, and I wouldn't retire his number.
I don't mind the rest of those guys being in the rafters, but why retire the number?
We would start running into the “good problems.” E.g. Not everyone in your top-6 can make $8+ mil — although maybe that isn’t true anymore. They’re both playing like $8mil forwards right now though, imo.
I think maybe our salary situation is about to shift towards the forwards. Most of the dmen prospects we have are primarily shutdown guys. I’m willing to bet some of them (Jiricek and Fischer especially) can provide some offense as well, but most of them are bound for low-cost, high-value type contracts if they make it. I think over the next few years, we might see a shift away from 6 high-paid dmen, and towards 9 high-paid forwards.
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