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Prospect Info: Blues 2024-2025 Prospect Thread
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Article with quote from agent
According to the above link, his agent said it was mennonite. They could be related. Mennonite preach peace and non-violence. He could have called him a p^$$% and a mennonite. Calling him a mennonite would actually fit that situation, and is derogatory toward those beliefs implying their passivity cowardice and not belief.
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The p-word was a suspension from last season, they are different incidents.
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I want to see someone call someone a 'Shriner' and get suspended
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He probably didn’t get tossed for that specifically and solely. Probably was running his mouth for a bit before the refs got tired of it and sent him packing. Not sure why it warrants 5 games but if i had to guess there’s probably a more reasonable explanation. That bring said, if anyone calls me a Unitarian, you are getting 5. GDTs.
I don't think he actually got the boot from the game, he was suspended afterwards. It falls under racist and religious insults/slurs. Which, I don't exactly fault the league for not wanting to deal with any backlash from having to determine what sort of slurs are worse.
That said, by blanket covering those insults/slurs, they don't really parse through the intent, which is just feels lacking as an overall response.
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He fell into a crevasse and is currently missing somewhere under the arena.
joe galiba
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check with the guys whose names end in vowels, they usually know, if they are talking, at least
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Watched Jecho and Stancl last night.
Stancl is the big body who posts up down low on the Kelowna PP. Andrew Cristall and Tij Iginla make that unit go and Stancl is a complementary piece. I was hoping to see Mrtka on the opposite side for Seattle supposed to be one of the top D available and 6'6" but he was out. Cootes is going to go in the first round for Seattle, he's quite a playmaker. Kelowna came back in the third with four goals to win 5-3 and Stancl had the final 2 goals. The GWG the goalie wants back, it squeaked through on a shot coming down the left side. His second goal Cristall found him alone in front and he roofed it.
Still, Jecho is the more involved player. The camera finds #43, he gets a lot of ice. Both guys are big but Jecho's ranginess feels like it comes into play more. He carries the puck plenty, he is a dangerous high man on the PK with his speed. He got an assist last night. I was looking at the Edmonton defenseman Fiddler. Big strong kid, trying to get involved. Making plays, sometimes getting caught and racing back.
Stancl is the big body who posts up down low on the Kelowna PP. Andrew Cristall and Tij Iginla make that unit go and Stancl is a complementary piece. I was hoping to see Mrtka on the opposite side for Seattle supposed to be one of the top D available and 6'6" but he was out. Cootes is going to go in the first round for Seattle, he's quite a playmaker. Kelowna came back in the third with four goals to win 5-3 and Stancl had the final 2 goals. The GWG the goalie wants back, it squeaked through on a shot coming down the left side. His second goal Cristall found him alone in front and he roofed it.
Still, Jecho is the more involved player. The camera finds #43, he gets a lot of ice. Both guys are big but Jecho's ranginess feels like it comes into play more. He carries the puck plenty, he is a dangerous high man on the PK with his speed. He got an assist last night. I was looking at the Edmonton defenseman Fiddler. Big strong kid, trying to get involved. Making plays, sometimes getting caught and racing back.
I feel like it’s obvious but maybe it isn’t…
The reason you can’t call someone a Mennonite is anti-semitism. I forget who it was but there was a big hubbub a few seasons back about a player using an anti-semitic slur against another player. Welp, this is a youth league so we can’t have that. And you can’t just ban calling someone a hard-J, you have to make it general or else you’re just favoring one class of people. So it’s not anti-semitic speech, it’s any speech which denigrates someone’s religious beliefs. So, the people you really ought to be mad at are the racists and anti-semites of the world, for whom these rules exist in the first place. It’s not “wokism gone wild,” it’s bad people ruining what other people can/can’t do.
The reason you can’t call someone a Mennonite is anti-semitism. I forget who it was but there was a big hubbub a few seasons back about a player using an anti-semitic slur against another player. Welp, this is a youth league so we can’t have that. And you can’t just ban calling someone a hard-J, you have to make it general or else you’re just favoring one class of people. So it’s not anti-semitic speech, it’s any speech which denigrates someone’s religious beliefs. So, the people you really ought to be mad at are the racists and anti-semites of the world, for whom these rules exist in the first place. It’s not “wokism gone wild,” it’s bad people ruining what other people can/can’t do.
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He was suspended for calling someone a p**** too. You can say other shitty people ruined it, but the way they apply the rules are also silly.
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Both can be true.
I think it’s fair to say that stupid and selfish people are the reason we have rules in the first place.
Or, you could actually look at the truth and realize that Landon Sim using that word doesn’t make him a “bad person”. It doesn’t even mean he’s anti-semantic or racist at all. People say a lot of things on the ice (and in all sports) that they don’t even mean. They’ll say anything just to get under someone’s skin. Guys threaten to kill each other. Does that mean they’re future murderers?
Pretty judgmental of you to automatically rule everyone like that as “bad people”, and quite honestly, if you get that easily offended over trash talk then you are very weak-minded.
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@MortiestOfMortys didn't call Sim a bad person.
But trying to police this type of stuff under the standard of 'is the person who said the thing a good or bad person' isn't feasible. This is a situation where I understand a 'no tolerance' policy. It is not realistic to expect a league to tier the 'badness' of words or to try and figure out which religions you can make fun of, which you can't, and then which words you can and can't use when making fun of the religions that you can make fun of.
"Don't shit talk someone based on their religious beliefs" is a pretty reasonable rule for a league to have in place and having that apply equally to all religions is a much better standard than trying to create different tiers/classes of religions/terms that can be targeted. Creating a system where some religious beliefs are off limits but some are acceptable is just not remotely something that the league should be doing.
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This is fine, but he was suspended last year for calling someone a p***y, that isn't
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In terms of Sim, we don't know what exactly came before or after the word "Mennonite". Maybe he included...colorful language before it, such as (speaking as a Jewish woman of ethnicity; my mother is Jewish) someone calling another person a "f***ing Jew".
Either way, he crossed the line when it came to words regarding religious/ethnic people, and given that the city of the team he plays for in the OHL apparently has a huge Mennonite population, he knew damn well what he meant by saying it.
Either way, he crossed the line when it came to words regarding religious/ethnic people, and given that the city of the team he plays for in the OHL apparently has a huge Mennonite population, he knew damn well what he meant by saying it.
Pretty sure we have all called someone worse than a Mennonite. I am not sure it is suspension worthy. If you call someone a name then answer for it on the ice not off.
Self policing was a good part of hockey that I always thought was an important part of the game.
Self policing was a good part of hockey that I always thought was an important part of the game.
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There’s rules, he broke the rules, rules have consequences. Some rules are silly or too much but it is what it is. I don’t think this one was too much though. But also don’t care much as he’s not a Blues prospect anymore so not sure why this topic has taken up so much space.
1) Self policing doesn't work. Nobody is afraid of getting punched in the helmet and facemask by a dude on skates who he can't put his lower body into the punch.. They are wearing equipment meant to protect them from vulcanized rubber flying at 80+ mph. Do you really think a punch is scary? The rate of homophobic and racist slurs was far more prevalent in the days of self-policing
2) Its not about having the player answer for it. Its about not driving away the fans or future players who may fall into these groups that are being targeted. Its about making people feel welcome and being able to enjoy the game. Can you imagine if Austin Matthews didn't fall in love with hockey because he heard anti-hsipanic slurs at a hockey game, and his mom is Mexican.
Here is a quote from a story about a youth hockey team of First Nation (Canada's Indigenous people) that Ryan O'Reilly brought to a Blues game after they faced rampant discrimination. This is a quote from a coach about why it meant so much to him that ROR reached out.
"I knew a player five or six years ago who faced racism in a game and he just dropped everything," Neeposh said. "He quit hockey, he just quit and he was such a good player. He quit everything and he went back home and said 'I've had enough of this, I don't want to deal with this anymore.' And he turned to alcohol and drugs. That's what I'm trying to avoid. It's sad, but this is happening. I'm just trying to fight this and I'm going to fight it in a positive way." - Link to NHL.com article
Kids should not have to physically fight to get retribution from hatred and racism. They should just be able to play a game without it.
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Snuggy had 2 assists yesterday, tied for team lead in points, 3rd in NCAA.
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