Dr Robot
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At first I thought you were pointing out his dad and brother were the same person.
LeBrun: Blue Jackets rejected to trade 2024 4OA for Chicago's 2025 1st round pick unprotected
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AcerComputer
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Here is what the NHL says:
Two other changes will begin with the 2022 NHL Draft Lottery:
-- Teams will be restricted from moving up more than 10 spots if it wins one of the lottery draws.
-- Teams cannot win the lottery more than twice in a five-year period. Wins in the lottery prior to 2022 will not be counted toward this total.
NHL Draft Lottery changes announced for 2021 | NHL.com
belfour30
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I was under the impression that the language was improve draft slot, not win the lottery. Hm. We're going to have to look into this further.
Being 2nd last doesn't give you the second spot. Just gives you the highest odds to win that lottery spot
belfour30
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Yeah I'm aware. On Tankathon they don't have the Hawks locked so I think the improve pre-lottery draft position is the correct interpretation
Fixing? Depends. No, it's not making them a contender. Yes it would have pushed them into 23-26 territory.
That would be stupid. That would mean a team could tank and win 5 firsts in a row.
I hope thats not the rule, encourages incompetence. incentives trying to be even worse actually
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I thought I heard at the time that the Habs could still win the lottery as staying put didn't mean a win.
Stupid language.
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NHL board approves new draft lottery rules
The biggest change to the NHL draft lottery by the league's board of governors is that the lottery will determine only the first two picks in the draft, rather than having three different lotteries for the first three picks.
In this article, it says that a team cannot advance as result of a lottery win twice in 5 years.
So, since the Hawks retained draft position they're still eligible for another win. The Bedard lottery did count.
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Not really relevant. Size is one of many factors. Also, I may have only mentionned Hagens in my previous comment, but I'd also take Porter Martone, Matthew Schaefer and Michael Misa before Lindstrom.
They could also conceivably fall in the draft and have a worse pick. It’s a silly discussion.
Chicago, without a high lottery pick, also would have not had the same strategy.
Hindsight is f***ing dumb and this conversation is an absolute waste of time.
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Trading a 4oa pick for a pick that could easily end up anywhere in the top 15 would of been a terrible idea to begin with and a bad gamble for CBJ.
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I think this is correct, however I also remember there being discussion when Florida was kind of floundering (the good old days) that if Montreal won the lottery with that pick it would count towards Florida lottery wins and not Montreal's.
I believe the rule is basically teams can't move up in the draft order more than twice in five years, so finishing last and staying there doesn't count
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I read the thread from the beginning and it really was an awful proposal for CBJ.
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Ya the only way I take that gamble is if Chicago was willing to put a condition on for something like if the pick is 6-10, they get Toronto’s 2025 1st, and if it’s outside of the top 10 they get Chicago’s 2026 1st (instead of Toronto’s)
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Really? You mean if they traded away their pick and drafted Lindstrom they would have magically been better?
They would have had no 1st round pick to trade to make the team better
They have no talent to trade to make the team better
So tell me, what magical strategy would they have deployed that they decided not to use now that would have made the team better?
Chicago - Ya we could have been better but we didn't want to!
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For the people saying the Hawks can't win the lottery anymore from what I have read both the Hawks and Sharks picks this past draft didn't count as wins because they just stayed at the spots they finished, that's how it reads from an article on TheAthletic on Oct. 12 of this year on the topic, if you don't move up it doesn't count as a win.
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Habs as well in the Slafkovsky draft didn't count. 3 out of the 4 last first overalls didn't count towards the rule
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Would have been a gamble for Columbus. Even if Chicago finishes with the worst record, they'd still have a 55.7% chance (assuming Tankathon did its calculation correctly) of picking #3. I haven't done a deep dive into the 2025 crop so I don't know if guys like Frondell/Misa/McQueen are clearly ahead of Lindstrom at this point.
Closest I could think of was Chicago giving up the #4 pick in 1999 to Vancouver for Bryan McCabe and a 2000 1st. Brian Burke had to pay a premium and include a young NHL defender despite being the 2nd worst team in the NHL in 1998-99; Other variable being Atlanta starting in 1999 plus two more expansion teams for the 2000 Draft. Vancouver's 2000 1st would end up being 11th.
Chicago originally had hopes that he could be the ones to get both Sedins. But once Brian Burke declared that wouldn't trade out of #3, Chicago pivoted and traded #4 partly because they didn't want to gamble and get defaulted to Pavel Brendl.
Closest I could think of was Chicago giving up the #4 pick in 1999 to Vancouver for Bryan McCabe and a 2000 1st. Brian Burke had to pay a premium and include a young NHL defender despite being the 2nd worst team in the NHL in 1998-99; Other variable being Atlanta starting in 1999 plus two more expansion teams for the 2000 Draft. Vancouver's 2000 1st would end up being 11th.
Chicago originally had hopes that he could be the ones to get both Sedins. But once Brian Burke declared that wouldn't trade out of #3, Chicago pivoted and traded #4 partly because they didn't want to gamble and get defaulted to Pavel Brendl.
No because he had the procedure while Lindstrom camp was seeing if he would recover without surgery
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It seems Chicago offered this to Montreal as well. You see it in the Habs draft video on Youtube.
Habs GM Kent Hughes says to their co-amateur scouting director Martin Lapointe: "If the draft doesn't go our way (aka Demidov not being available), would you trade #5 for their 1st unprotected next year (presumably Chicago) and a 2nd round pick?"
It's way too risky of a move to make at the time, even if Chicago does suck again this year.
Habs GM Kent Hughes says to their co-amateur scouting director Martin Lapointe: "If the draft doesn't go our way (aka Demidov not being available), would you trade #5 for their 1st unprotected next year (presumably Chicago) and a 2nd round pick?"
It's way too risky of a move to make at the time, even if Chicago does suck again this year.
