Pre-Game Talk: BLEH!

[Mr Kot]

Make gdt?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

His play this year isn't relevant to comparing the D groups on the Oilers this year to last year. He basically wasn't on the team last year.

Okay, so in that case... who on the Oilers that was on the team last year is doing better this year? Because it isn't Bouchard or Nurse, that's for sure.

 

[fuswald]

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[NeverForget06]

On paper our defence should be the problem but it's actually that our goalies can't keep the puck out of our net, and our forwards can't put the puck into the other net

To win, our team has to score more goals than the other guys. We are not good at doing that

 

[Mr Kot]

Arviddson showed some flashes, so fingers crossed he is back and hopefully wont get injured again.

 

[K1984]

Okay, so in that case... who on the Oilers that was on the team last year is doing better this year? Because it isn't Bouchard or Nurse, that's for sure.

What about the defence in any respect is responsible for the forward group playing like dogs across the board and our goalies inability to make any saves?

It's a red herring. We probably have 2-3 more wins if the team scored more than 2 goals per game and nobody would care, and we'd probably be talking about how we can roll this D group into the deadline. Whining about the defence is an exercise in people trying to make the problem what they want it to be, not what it is.

The team can't score goals and can't save anything. Nothing about the D changes that.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

What about the defence in any respect is responsible for the forward group playing like dogs across the board and our goalies inability to make any saves?

It's a red herring. We probably have 2-3 more wins if the team scored more than 2 goals per game and nobody would care, and we'd probably be talking about how we can roll this D group into the deadline. Whining about the defence is an exercise in people trying to make the problem what they want it to be, not what it is.

The team can't score goals and can't save anything. Nothing about the D changes that.

So the defense has no impact on the ballooned GA/G and terrible PK?

 

[K1984]

So the defense has no impact on the ballooned GA/G and terrible PK?

The defence doesn't stop pucks.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The defence doesn't stop pucks.

Pretty sure blocked shots and clogging up passing lanes are a thing, but sure. Goalie doesn't have to stop the puck if the defense ensures it never gets to him.

The bottom 4 also aren't contributing much to the offensive side of things, either. So what precisely are they doing well? Are they hitting anyone?

 

[K1984]

Pretty sure blocked shots and clogging up passing lanes are a thing, but sure. Goalie doesn't have to stop the puck if the defense ensures it never gets to him.

The bottom 4 also aren't contributing much to the offensive side of things, either. So what precisely are they doing well?

Limiting shots and chances against which they've done well at, even against strong competition? You know, what D men are supposed to do? Nurse is really the only dog in that group not named Dermott, whose presence in the lineup is mystifying. Emberson and Stecher have been more or less fine.

You're delusional if you think that a lack of "clogging up passing lanes" is responsible for the Oilers having the two worst goalies in NHL by almost every measure. Was it the defence's fault when they limited the second best team in the NHL last year to 10 shots through 2 periods before Skinner decided to hand them the game?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Limiting shots and chances against which they've done well at, even against strong competition? You know, what D men are supposed to do? Nurse is really the only dog in that group not named Dermott, whose presence in the lineup is mystifying. Emberson and Stecher have been more or less fine.

You're delusional if you think that a lack of "clogging up passing lanes" is responsible for the Oilers having the two worst goalies in NHL by almost every measure. Was it the defence's fault when they limited the second best team in the NHL last year to 10 shots through 2 periods before Skinner decided to hand them the game?

They collapsed like a house of cards after that point and Dallas ran their show. Nurse has been Nurse, Dermott and Emberson don't look like NHL players. Stecher's passable, but that's about it. The defense is worse than last year, I don't know how anyone could argue that. And that defense wasn't good enough to win it all.

 

[McBeastMode]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852026640160686539

 

[brentashton]

 

[K1984]

They collapsed like a house of cards after that point and Dallas ran their show. Nurse has been Nurse, Dermott and Emberson don't look like NHL players. Stecher's passable, but that's about it. The defense is worse than last year, I don't know how anyone could argue that. And that defense wasn't good enough to win it all.

At no point did I claim the defence isn't worse than last year. It isn't the reason we're losing though, and I don't know how it's even possible to claim otherwise when the team sits in 32nd in total goals scored and 32nd in team SV%. This despite being among the league leaders in expected goals for and expected goals against.

But ya, it's Emberson and Stecher's fault.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

At no point did I claim the defence isn't worse than last year. It isn't the reason we're losing though, and I don't know how it's even possible to claim otherwise when the team sits in 32nd in total goals scored and 32nd in team SV%.

It's still not good enough, that's my point. They're not getting it done at either end of the ice. When a team in our position is doing poorly, there's a good chance that nothing is going right.

 

[bobbythebrain]

On paper our defence should be the problem but it's actually that our goalies can't keep the puck out of our net, and our forwards can't put the puck into the other net

To win, our team has to score more goals than the other guys. We are not good at doing that

I don't trust on paper when it comes to these things. Goaltending is a massive product of team defense

"On paper" it showed that Bos defense was pretty bad and that Swayman and Ulmark were doing all the work.
Now Ulmark can't save a beachball?

Goaltending in a large part comes from how well you trust your D and knowing where the shots come from. The eyetest shows 2 lines of our d are all over the map when it comes to defending right now

 

[K1984]

It's still not good enough, that's my point. They're not getting it done at either end of the ice. When a team in our position is doing poorly, there's a good chance that nothing is going right.

I don't know what they're supposed to do to make the forwards put the puck in the net and the goalie stop a puck.

1 more goal per game on average probably has us somewhere around 6-3-1 and nobody panics. Even with this shit goaltending.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I don't trust on paper when it comes to these things. Goaltending is a massive product of team defense

"On paper" it showed that Bos defense was pretty bad and that Swayman and Ulmark were doing all the work.
Now Ulmark can't save a beachball?

Goaltending in a large part comes from how well you trust your D and knowing where the shots come from. The eyetest shows 2 lines of our d are all over the map when it comes to defending right now

They looked far more structured in the playoffs than they do right now.

 

[TheNumber4]

So many vampires, what is this a Bettman tribute thread?