Blackwood/Vanecek/We Really Need to Move On/Goalie Thread

[Call Me Al]

Can we just discuss this here? Thanks guys

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[Bleedred]

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BLACKWOOD SUCKS
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[Nubmer6]

f*** BLACKWOOD
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BLACKWOOD SUCKS
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What are you trying to say?

 

[Bleedred]

Schneider? Ummm, he's been pretty good in the AHL the last two years. Glad he was bought out, it needed to happen, but I'm pretty sure he's better than Blackwood right now, yes. I don't think he'd be pretty good in the NHL, like he is in the AHL, but there's a certainly a middle ground between good AHL goalie and as bad as Blackwood is in the NHL goalie.

Speaking of Blackwood and the AHL, Did I ever mention Blackwood's AHL career SUCKED and was a pretty good foreshadowing/clue/hint as to what's been going on the last two years in the NHL?

It's Vanecek's net and it really should be from here on out, until somebody else takes it from him and that somebody else isn't Blackwood, because he's NOT f***ING GOOD ENOUGH to take it from him.

So Ruff and company really need to take a page out of the Hynes playbook from 2018 and not the Laviolette playbook from 2022, where he started playing Samsonov more games over Vanecek late in the year, when Vitek started struggling. They were winning games in spite of Samsonov down the stretch in Washington last year.

 

[Bleedred]

Blackwood was never even as good as Daws/Schmid's AHL seasons last year in any of his parts of 3 seasons in the AHL.

If he hadn't unexpectedly performed well in the NHL when he was very much unexpectedly called up due to injury, then played due to horrible underperformance by other guys, I don't think many of the fans would have been high on him, nor do I think the organization would have been high on him. if not for that, and more specifically one solid (not really good but SOLID) season as a starting goalie in 19-20, I think the faith and hope would have been lost long ago.

One other thing that I don't think has really been pointed out by anyone else, his GSAx in both the 18-19 and 19-20 seasons were nothing special. They weren't BAD like every year since, but they weren't particularly great. Evolving hockey has him as a -0.43 GSAx in 18-19 and a -0.54 GSAx in 19-20. That's roughly half a goal over those two years.

Money puck has him as just barely a negative for 18-19 and just barely a positive in 19-20 though. I don't have that site opened right now, so I don't have the exact numbers in front of me.

He was hardly performing as expected even those first two good years.

So I never understood the ''Elite upside'' argument. Good upside? Yes. Elite? No..... Just no.

 

[Clam Jensen]

f*** BLACKWOOD
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BLACKWOOD SUCKS
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Would you just for once tell us how you REALLY feel about Blackwood?

 

[Guttersniped]

This thread will be more of a daily journal for @Bleedred … well going by the first few posts by “daily” I mean every 10-15 minutes.

 

[Bleedred]

I'm actually surprised more people didn't HATE this player (as a player, not hate him as a person) long ago. He's quite easily the worst player on the team, especially with Geertsen not on the roster this year.

Yes, he's worse than Smith (new or old), probably worse than Wotherspoon if he were getting into NHL games.

Goalie is the most important position and a BAD goalie will KILL you quicker than a bad bottom pairing D or even quicker than a Geertsen.

By the way, I know almost everyone has turned on him at this point. Unfortunately for him, he didn't even really have to do anything bad in the last month to lose the last significant sect of his supporters. Pretty much just get hurt and allow Vanecek to go on a SURGE, as well as Schmid in a very minute stretch of games.

Actually, when I drove by the church of Blackwood this morning, I think I only saw one car there. Not sure if that was the clergyman's car or one of the parishioners.

But I did get a license plate number. Pretty sure it was BLGTS GHST or something like that?

 

[GameSeven]

Seconded.

Vanecek has been a revelation and I hope it continues. Goaltending is fickle business that relies on individual skill, team support, and, most importantly, confidence.

The trade for VV is looking like a steal and I am ready to give him the reins if he continues to even approach this level of play.

But I'm getting tired of every win being used as an opportunity to shit on MBW for a couple of pages.

It'd be great if the ire could be kept in its own thread.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Welcome to @Bleedred's new permanent home.

 

[Bleedred]

But I'm getting tired of every win being used as an opportunity to shit on MBW for a couple of pages.

I guarantee you're not feeling as tired of that as I am (or was, since it's kind of stopped) of seeing ''Ohhhh he's gonna bounce back! You're WRONG! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!'' about this player.

Who cares if he gets shit on? He SUCKS as a player. You don't wanna get shit on? Don't be one of the worst players at your position (the most important position in the league) since February 20th of 2021 and you won't get shit on. Oh, what's that? He's not good enough to play better than that? Okay, then what the f***'s he still doing on the team? Why the f*** was he still getting starts, like the season opener? And then randomly getting put in games after Vanecek was ROLLING? He surely wasn't the best goalie in the preseason.

He was the most overrated player in the organization coming into this year.

But as I always say, goalies are OVERRATED and that's why so many BAD ones that were once good or had some good play for a short brief while keep getting jobs and brought back or signed by somebody every time you think they're done.

That's why when one has a hot streak or even just an average year (especially when it's an of limited ability Mike Condon type or Vejmelka currently) he's praised and praised for it.

Some people (not lately) would make you think this guy was possibly as good as his position as Hughes, Hischier and Bratt were at their's. And let me tell you, that was NEVER the case. Not even when he was good.

This player was NEVER nearly as good as pre-decline Schneider (I gotta name drop him again), not in the NHL, nor in the AHL.

 

[Bleedred]

I mean, f*** man, people shit on Geertsen here enough and I'm no exception.

I know, Geertsen sucks and is a worthless player.

Well why the f*** isn't Blackwood considered a worthless SUCK player? He plays a way more important position, he's on the ice for about 10 times longer per game.

If anything, I'm shocked I was the first one and lone one for the longest time taking the torches to him.

People shit on Zacha, who is still a better player at his position than Blackwood is at his, no matter how underwhelming of a player Zacha has been.

 

[devilsblood]

Blackwood was never even as good as Daws/Schmid's AHL seasons last year in any of his parts of 3 seasons in the AHL.

If he hadn't unexpectedly performed well in the NHL when he was very much unexpectedly called up due to injury, then played due to horrible underperformance by other guys, I don't think many of the fans would have been high on him, nor do I think the organization would have been high on him. if not for that, and more specifically one solid (not really good but SOLID) season as a starting goalie in 19-20, I think the faith and hope would have been lost long ago.

One other thing that I don't think has really been pointed out by anyone else, his GSAx in both the 18-19 and 19-20 seasons were nothing special. They weren't BAD like every year since, but they weren't particularly great. Evolving hockey has him as a -0.43 GSAx in 18-19 and a -0.54 GSAx in 19-20. That's roughly half a goal over those two years.

Money puck has him as just barely a negative for 18-19 and just barely a positive in 19-20 though. I don't have that site opened right now, so I don't have the exact numbers in front of me.

He was hardly performing as expected even those first two good years.

So I never understood the ''Elite upside'' argument. Good upside? Yes. Elite? No..... Just no.

It's interesting Schneider has been willing to play in the AHL at 36 years of age, making $750K.

I mean, f*** man, people shit on Geertsen here enough and I'm no exception.

I know, Geertsen sucks and is a worthless player.

Well why the f*** isn't Blackwood considered a worthless SUCK player? He plays a way more important position, he's on the ice for about 10 times longer per game.

If anything, I'm shocked I was the first one and lone one for the longest time taking the torches to him.

Leave it to Bleed to drag Geertsen into a Goalie thread.

Keeps the topic out of the main discussion, which is a good thing.

 

[haak84]

This team is too good to be bitching about insignificant goalies.

 

[Bleedred]

It's interesting Schneider has been willing to play in the AHL at 36 years of age, making $750K.


Leave it to Bleed to drag Geertsen into a Goalie thread.

Keeps the topic out of the main discussion, which is a good thing.

I don't even think he's getting $750k to play in the AHL, I believe it's $400k to play in the AHL, unless I'm wrong on that.

The $750k is his NHL salary, should he play in the NHL?

I also find it interesting and I've said this before, I think him running to the Islanders was probably the permanent end of his NHL career. I'm not saying someone was gonna sign him to be the NHL #2, but with the covid year and taxi squads and every team getting to carry 3 goalies in 20-21 and guys going on the list left and right, the Islanders might have been the only team in the 20-21 season fortunate enough to only have to use the same 2 goalies. Schneider dressed as the backup that year, but never got on the ice.

And then in 21-22, Schneider played that one game against us, but that was literally the only game in those two seasons (138 games) that a goalie not named Sorokin or Varlamov actually got on the ice in-game. And it still remains the case this year.

I'm not sure if Lou told him when he was brought in that he would have the opportunity to compete against Sorokin for the #2 job, but if a then-25 year old Sorokin was not able to beat out Schneider for a #2 NHL role, chances are that Sorokin was never gonna be anything and he probably would have fled back to the KHL for good the next year. Interestingly enough, Sorokin has played 0 AHL games. He went right from the KHL to the NHL, but he was already 25 years at the time.

So yeah, I think Schneider has a better chance of playing more NHL games over the last 3 seasons if he were to have signed with almost anyone else but Lou/the Islanders.

 

[Clam Jensen]

This team is too good to be bitching about insignificant goalies.

If it keeps the other threads devoid of Blackwood talk, I’m all for it lol.

 

[None Shall Pass]

Schmid's journey has been incredible so far. He went through all these random leagues to finally get here. What a story. Great guy.

 

[Bleedred]

I really don't think Schmid played as poorly as the numbers last year, so I think he was due this .953% streak.

I'm not saying he played well, but you almost need a whole lot of bad luck to go against you for 6 games and 4 starts of .833%, unless you're not a pro hockey goalie.

Does he need a new contract next year? I think both he and Daws are in the final year of their ELC's next year, unless they didn't get the standard 3 year ELC.

Having either one of them or a combination of them (calling the other up if one isn't doing well at the NHL level) next year for under a million is a very effective way of navigating the cap, rather than getting suckered by the BUM and giving him his qualifying offer to play here next year, when that money could be better allocated elsewhere and the savings we'd get on Schmid/Daws would pay for itself.

And I do think we're at the point where the ship is about to set sail on re-signing Blackwood at his qualifying offer for one more year, but god forbid he comes back and has a hot streak. We've seen 20 game hot streaks from otherwise bad goalies cement their status on a team for the next year.

 

[Ben Matlock]

Unless Blackwood is close to returning, can’t we just pretend he doesn’t exist?

 

[NJDevs26]

Even if Blackwood does get close to returning he’s always one step away from tweaking something and going back on IR. To me that’s more frustrating than his actual play, you can never play the ‘what if he stays healthy’ game cause HE NEVER STAYS HEALTHY! And it’s not like he’s a 30+ year old goalie with 200,000 miles on him like Bernier either.

 

[Bleedred]

Unless Blackwood is close to returning, can’t we just pretend he doesn’t exist?

I've seen a couple posts saying January recently. Not sure if January is something that's come out recently and I missed it, or if it's speculation.

He was hurt November 3rd and it was about a week later where the prognosis was 3-6 weeks.

3 weeks from that prognosis would be the middle of this week and the 6 weeks from that would be around the 21st of December (just in time for the game I get to see in Sunrise! Yay! He KILLED us in the one game there last year!) or so.

All I've seen is he's skating on his own, as is Palat, but neither are practicing or close. So it doesn't look like it will be the 3 weeks or lower end of that 3-6 weeks.

My guess he will get conditioning games in the AHL before getting dressed/played in games up here.

Bernier is someone I haven't heard about lately. He was practicing with the team and even going on road trips, but he told Novozinsky that he hurt himself again in camp and had a setback. I don't think the team ever publicly admitted that though, but Bernier himself did.

He was even used in one of the camp scrimmages. Big surprise he hurt himself in camp when they were using him in a scrimmage where he looked like he shouldn't have even been on the ice for.

 

[Its Always Sundstrom]

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I'm actually surprised more people didn't HATE this player (as a player, not hate him as a person) long ago. He's quite easily the worst player on the team, especially with Geertsen not on the roster this year.

Yes, he's worse than Smith (new or old), probably worse than Wotherspoon if he were getting into NHL games.

Goalie is the most important position and a BAD goalie will KILL you quicker than a bad bottom pairing D or even quicker than a Geertsen.

By the way, I know almost everyone has turned on him at this point. Unfortunately for him, he didn't even really have to do anything bad in the last month to lose the last significant sect of his supporters. Pretty much just get hurt and allow Vanecek to go on a SURGE, as well as Schmid in a very minute stretch of games.

Actually, when I drove by the church of Blackwood this morning, I think I only saw one car there. Not sure if that was the clergyman's car or one of the parishioners.

But I did get a license plate number. Pretty sure it was BLGTS GHST or something like that?

Well hate is such a strong word…

 

[severian]

Bernier is going to retire. Just figured that this thread would be the place for that.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

Bernier is going to retire. Just figured that this thread would be the place for that.

Yeah I have pretty much written him off.

As I have with Blackwood, at least on this team. Maybe he can get a second start somewhere else. I feel like him and Bertuzzi could be friends in Detroit.

 

[severian]

Yeah I have pretty much written him off.

As I have with Blackwood, at least on this team. Maybe he can get a second start somewhere else. I feel like him and Bertuzzi could be friends in Detroit.

I personally don’t care about Blackwood’s politics or choice regarding the vaccine. I do care that he can’t seem to stay healthy and when he has been healthy he’s been a sub-average NHL goalie.