Value of: Blackwood to the Leafs

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Leafs should do that if it’s offered.

as long as it's Robertson and not Knies absolutely

 

[Junohockeyfan]

as long as it's Robertson and not Knies absolutely

I don't see anyone having interest in Robertson. I would rather a 2nd round pick or 3rd.

 

[HBK27]

Blackwood needs a backup role on a good team to get his groove back.

Blackwood needs to have a healthy season. His heel injury was an issue this whole past season and he had a bad bout with Covid the prior season that derailed things. He's entering the final year of his deal before becoming a RFA. Best thing for him would be to re-establish himself as a legitimate starter on this team.

Given his past two seasons, I can't see any other teams trading for him with the intent of him being their starter. Also doesn't make sense for NJ to trade with at this point with his value being so low. Best thing for them to do is to bring in another veteran (hopefully 3rd time is a charm) to split time with him and provide stability in the net and hope Blackwood rediscovers his form from his first two seasons in the NHL.

As my fellow Devil fans have pointed out if they move Blackwood, they'll need an adequate replacement.

As for my opinion I could see them moving away from Blackwood but they shouldn't be looking for picks and prospects for him unless the prospect is NHL ready.

If they can find a suitable replacement for him in free agency or via trade, they should be looking for a younger NHL ready RHD or a winger with size.

I disagree that NJ needs a younger NHL ready RD. Hamilton and Severson already account for the top 2 RD spots (unless Severson is unexpectedly dealt this offseason). They also have Reilly Walsh in the pipeline - he's already 23 years old and coming off a solid season in the AHL. He deserves the opportunity to claim that 3rd pairing RD spot in training camp.

You also have Luke Hughes likely joining the team after one more season at Michigan. He's played RD the past few seasons, so not sure why so many assume he'll just play LD at the NHL level.

 

[Nylanderthal]

You’re paying a 1st to dump Mrazek and get Blackwood.

Don’t forget Holl in there as well, he gets dogged on here but he’s still a 4-6RD @2m that is a PK beast and doesn’t have cement blocks for feet (just bricks between the ears)

I don't see anyone having interest in Robertson. I would rather a 2nd round pick or 3rd.

Why would no one have interest in the 20-25th ranked NHL prospect?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Yes I agree that’s probably the way to go but I’d still be worried about if Gibson can be Gibson from 3-4 years ago.
He should go for a late first plus a prospect but Ducks fans asking price is insane.

is it? is Robertson+1st+Marazek insane?

because that's I've seen proposed

I don't think that's insane

 

[Golden_Jet]

is it? is Robertson+1st+Marazek insane?

because that's I've seen proposed

I don't think that's insane

Not enough to take on Mrazeks cap

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Blackwood needs to have a healthy season. His heel injury was an issue this whole past season and he had a bad bout with Covid the prior season that derailed things. He's entering the final year of his deal before becoming a RFA. Best thing for him would be to re-establish himself as a legitimate starter on this team.

Given his past two seasons, I can't see any other teams trading for him with the intent of him being their starter. Also doesn't make sense for NJ to trade with at this point with his value being so low. Best thing for them to do is to bring in another veteran (hopefully 3rd time is a charm) to split time with him and provide stability in the net and hope Blackwood rediscovers his form from his first two seasons in the NHL.


I disagree that NJ needs a younger NHL ready RD. Hamilton and Severson already account for the top 2 RD spots (unless Severson is unexpectedly dealt this offseason). They also have Reilly Walsh in the pipeline - he's already 23 years old and coming off a solid season in the AHL. He deserves the opportunity to claim that 3rd pairing RD spot in training camp.

You also have Luke Hughes likely joining the team after one more season at Michigan. He's played RD the past few seasons, so not sure why so many assume he'll just play LD at the NHL level.

From what I saw of Walsh, I don't think he's an NHL player more likely a career AHL guy.
Although that was probably only 15-20 games last year so maybe he'll make it

They'll need a 3rd pairing guy but he doesn't have to be great just good enough to be in the NHL someone like Cal Foote level

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Don’t forget Holl in there as well, he gets dogged on here but he’s still a 4-6RD @2m that is a PK beast and doesn’t have cement blocks for feet (just bricks between the ears)


Why would no one have interest in the 20-25th ranked NHL prospect?

There’s no such ranking. Robertson is a small soft forward who has yet to produce any offense at the NHL level after 3 years His value isn’t what you think. I mean, what exactly are you expecting for a guy who produced 2pts?

 

[Nylanderthal]

There’s no such ranking. Robertson is a small soft forward who has yet to produce any offense at the NHL level after 3 years His value isn’t what you think. I mean, what exactly are you expecting for a guy who produced 2pts?

Both TSN & THW did mid/end of season rankings. That’s where he ranked.
Edit: just checked both lists, he’s 20th on THW and 46th on button’s who’s a known sensationalist. Even still, that’s a top prospect any way you slice it & he holds good value.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Both TSN & THW did mid/end of season rankings. That’s where he ranked.
Edit: just checked both lists, he’s 20th on THW and 46th on button’s who’s a known sensationalist. Even still, that’s a top prospect any way you slice it & he holds good value.

Nobody cares about rankings. lol. Rankings don’t change the fact that Robertson has produced zilch in the NHL after 3 years. He was overrated by Leaf fans who are now quick to include in every trade, thinking he is a desired commodity. He’s closer to Bracco than a bonafide prospect.

 

[Apex Predator]

then you move some money out

you do what you need to do to bring in a legitimate #1 goalie

This is what my thought process is. If it costs Nylander to move out then it is what it is. We need a goalie that can help us win those 2-1 games in the playoffs.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Nobody cares about rankings. lol. Rankings don’t change the fact that Robertson has produced zilch in the NHL after 3 years. He was overrated by Leaf fans who are now quick to include in every trade, thinking he is a desired commodity. He’s closer to Bracco than a bonafide prospect.

Is anyone creating value algorithms for these guys based on rankings? No, but it’s very much what the consensus around the league would be for the value of all 50-100 guys on each list.
3 years? He was 17 3 years ago. Relax with the hyperbole, no one’s quick to offer him up. The mrazek Robertson 1st package discussed for Gibson was from a ducks fan. Most Leaf fans are pretty adamant to not give up niemela knies or Robertson as they’re all expected in a season or two to offer elc contributions. He’s been ppg+ all along the way through development after suffering some brutal injury setbacks.
Stop trolling

 

[Junohockeyfan]

3 years? He was 17 3 years ago. Relax with the hyperbole, no one’s quick to offer him up. The mrazek Robertson 1st package discussed for Gibson was from a ducks fan. Leaf fans are pretty adamant to not give up niemela knies or Robertson to offer elc contributions. He’s been ppg+ all along the way through development after suffering some brutal injury setbacks.
Stop trolling

Nobody’s trolling. Stop overrating an average prospect. I will never forget the Robertson > Caufield threads. The same ol blue hool aid being consumed!

 

[Apex Predator]

Nobody cares about rankings. lol. Rankings don’t change the fact that Robertson has produced zilch in the NHL after 3 years. He was overrated by Leaf fans who are now quick to include in every trade, thinking he is a desired commodity. He’s closer to Bracco than a bonafide prospect.

I don’t think he’s been NHL ready yet but when the Leafs have used him they have put him on the 4th line. They haven’t utilized him to succeed.

 

[Magic Man]

Nobody cares about rankings. lol. Rankings don’t change the fact that Robertson has produced zilch in the NHL after 3 years. He was overrated by Leaf fans who are now quick to include in every trade, thinking he is a desired commodity. He’s closer to Bracco than a bonafide prospect.

Guess how much his brother produced at his age? Nick is doing better than he was. Jason immediately became a star in the league following his 20 year old season.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Guess how much his brother produced at his age? Nick is doing better than he was. Jason immediately became a star in the league following his 20 year old season.

Last I checked, Nick is not Jason. Unless they are the same but from alternate universes, separated a few years, that happened to to cross over into the same reality. Maybe you are right….

 

[Magic Man]

Last I checked, Nick is not Jason. Unless they are the same but from alternate universes, separated a few years, that happened to to cross over into the same reality. Maybe you are right….

So, nothing matters. Rankings by all the publications, his brothers trajectory, PPG in the AHL at 20. He's just an average prospect because you think that?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Guess how much his brother produced at his age? Nick is doing better than he was. Jason immediately became a star in the league following his 20 year old season.

Jason and Nick remind me if the movie Twins starring Arnold Swarzenagger and Danny Devito. In this context, Nick is Danny Devito!!

So, nothing matters. Rankings by all the publications, his brothers trajectory, PPG in the AHL at 20. He's just an average prospect because you think that?

Jeremy Bracco was also ppg in the AHL….

 

[Magic Man]

Jason and Nick remind me if the movie Twins starring Arnold Swarzenagger and Danny Devito. In this context, Nick is Danny Devito!!


Jeremy Bracco was also ppg in the AHL….

So, all ppg prospects are going to end up to be Jeremy Bracco? Do they lose the value before they all flame out or after?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

This is what my thought process is. If it costs Nylander to move out then it is what it is. We need a goalie that can help us win those 2-1 games in the playoffs.

I don't think it costs Nylander, I don't think Dusbas has any interest is splitting up the big forwards I think he looks add Kerfoot, Marazek, Holl and perhaps Muzzin to clear the money.

I think Dubas is going down with his big forwards

 

[Junohockeyfan]

So, all ppg prospects are going to end up to be Jeremy Bracco? Do they lose the value before they all flame out or after?

That’s a good question. I don’t know if Nick will follow Bracco’s demise. But so far he hasn’t proven to be NHL ready after D + 3. Thus, pump the breaks. He is not a blue chip or high end prospect. He’s simply a prospect who is small and can produce in minor leagues with some potential .

Me personally, I would prefer a 2nd round pick over him at best. No one would give up a 1st round pick for Nick.

 

[Magic Man]

That’s a good question. I don’t know if Nick will follow Bracco’s demise. But so far he hasn’t proven to be NHL ready after D + 3. Thus, pump the breaks. He is not a blue chip or high end prospect. He’s simply a prospect who is small and can produce in minor leagues with some potential .

Me personally, I would prefer a 2nd round pick over him at best. No one would give up a 1st round pick for Nick.

The Leafs aren't rebuilding, so they are not going to gift anyone minutes, like the shittier teams. But, I'm looking at it going into the season thinking it is just as likely that he gets 70 points (pace) in the NHL on one of the top-2 lines as it is that he stays in the minors and goes PPG again, where he still has 2 years left on that ELC.

That's good value. It would be literally Pejorative Slured if they traded him right now.

 

[PainForShane]

I don't think it costs Nylander, I don't think Dusbas has any interest is splitting up the big forwards I think he looks add Kerfoot, Marazek, Holl and perhaps Muzzin to clear the money.

I think Dubas is going down with his big forwards

My God. It is driving me crazy reading you spell his name "Marazek" over and over and over again. It's Mrazek. Not Marazek.

If you're really a Leaf fan for life at least learn how to spell your own players' names correctly. Especially if the name is easy -- messing up Lyubushkin or Abruzzese is understandable I guess, but Mrazek's name is six letters long, barely longer than a Wordle

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

My God. It is driving me crazy reading you spell his name "Marazek" over and over and over again. It's Mrazek. Not Marazek.

If you're really a Leaf fan for life at least learn how to spell your own players' names correctly. Especially if the name is easy -- messing up Lyubushkin or Abruzzese is understandable I guess, but Mrazek's name is six letters long, barely longer than a Wordle

If I had respect for the player I might care.

I don't, so I don't

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Is anyone creating value algorithms for these guys based on rankings? No, but it’s very much what the consensus around the league would be for the value of all 50-100 guys on each list.
3 years? He was 17 3 years ago. Relax with the hyperbole, no one’s quick to offer him up. The mrazek Robertson 1st package discussed for Gibson was from a ducks fan. Most Leaf fans are pretty adamant to not give up niemela knies or Robertson as they’re all expected in a season or two to offer elc contributions. He’s been ppg+ all along the way through development after suffering some brutal injury setbacks.
Stop trolling

Robertson is small, cant skate, and is injury-prone. He hasnt shown anything at the NHL level. He's not close to the same value as Knies. He's a lottery ticket at this point.