Value of: Bishop & Filppula/Callahan to DAL

[WhatWhat]

would Dallas move Sharp this season or just let him walk?

With our injuries and current in ability to hockey as a team I think if we are still in the same situation Sharp become very much available at the deadline

 

[WhatWhat]

Dallas would have to send back salary in that deal.

Hemsky maybe?

Hemsky is going to LTIR then his contract is up. No need to move him

 

[ManofSteel55]

I think the only realistic options for Bishop to Dallas would be Bishop for Lehtonen or Niemi and something really good. Its determining what that package is that is the real problem. Perhaps the best deal would be a post season, pre-draft extension sign and trade. Not that those happen often.

 

[Todd1a]

Bishop and Johnson for Honka, 1st, and the rights to Nichushkin

I would do it !!

 

[VoynovsParoleOfficer]

I would do it !!

i think this sounds more fair then it really is... Honka was #14 overall, Nuke was #10 overall and its not out of question dallas finishes middle of pack #15-19 range so three mid 1sts for Ty John two years removed from his top value and an UFA bishop, very unlikely even tho nuke due to the russian factor is whatever at this point in most minds

 

[Volodya Krutov]

Bishop and Johnson for Honka, 1st, and the rights to Nichushkin

I would do it !!

1. How on earth Dallas realistically accepts such a proposal ? There's something called salary cap and Dallas has only $2M in cap space.

2. Who's going to back up Vasy, are you honestly foreseeing Gudlevskis playing NHL 25-30 games in a win-now season ?

 

[One Winged Angel]

2. Who's going to back up Vasy, are you honestly foreseeing Gudlevskis playing NHL 25-30 games in a win-now season ?

For what it's worth, he had that amazing game against Canada in the 2014 Olympics for Latvia. Don't know how he's been since, I know he's seen a small amount of NHL time, but you really think he couldn't be a decent backup?

 

[VoynovsParoleOfficer]

For what it's worth, he had that amazing game against Canada in the 2014 Olympics for Latvia. Don't know how he's been since, I know he's seen a small amount of NHL time, but you really think he couldn't be a decent backup?

completely agree, if tampa is the team they think they are and can pick and choose where they spot start him and we all know Vasi is the real deal then i cant see why Gudlevski starting 25 games cant go 13-8-4 or something like that

 

[Volodya Krutov]

For what it's worth, he had that amazing game against Canada in the 2014 Olympics for Latvia. Don't know how he's been since, I know he's seen a small amount of NHL time, but you really think he couldn't be a decent backup?

KG is extremely talented, a big lack of consistency has been his downfall so far nonetheless. I also think he can become a decent back-up but he must firstly learn to be decent in the AHL, night in and night out. Nothing indicates he passed that test already though, only time will tell. Several players will be moved for cap purpose in the off-season, this is the last run at the Stanley Cup Tampa will have with that core, I honestly don't see Yzerman relying on Vasilevskiy and Gudlevskis to achieve that feat. Bishop is very unlikely to get moved because he's still at the moment the goaltender that gives Tampa the greater chance to succeed. SSS can go to hell. And of course Vasy (who's clearly closing the gap on Bishop) will be there in case he gets injured, AGAIN.

 

[One Winged Angel]

KG is extremely talented, a big lack of consistency has been his downfall so far nonetheless. I also think he can become a decent back-up but he must firstly learn to be decent in the AHL, night in and night out. Nothing indicates he passed that test already though, only time will tell. Several players will be moved for cap purpose in the off-season, this is the last run at the Stanley Cup Tampa will have with that core, I honestly don't see Yzerman relying on Vasilevskiy and Gudlevskis to achieve that feat. Bishop is very unlikely to get moved because he's still at the moment the goaltender that gives Tampa the greater chance to succeed. SSS can go to hell. And of course Vasy (who's clearly closing the gap on Bishop) will be there in case he gets injured, AGAIN.

I honestly see them moving Bishop. I don't see how they can go forward with him. I understand they'll try to move Johnson and Palat because to me, those are two of the more expendable higher end forwards they have, but I just feel like there's a few teams that would offer a reasonable sum for Bishop which would facilitate a trade.

I feel like teams would try to bend Tampa over a barrel on playersl ike Johnson and Palat, knowing that they're in a cap crunch and it would almost force them to move Bishop before one of them.

I've been wrong before though, so who knows, honestly.

 

[Pestilence]

i think this sounds more fair then it really is... Honka was #14 overall, Nuke was #10 overall and its not out of question dallas finishes middle of pack #15-19 range so three mid 1sts for Ty John two years removed from his top value and an UFA bishop, very unlikely even tho nuke due to the russian factor is whatever at this point in most minds

Indeed, because previous past draft picks can be exchanged back to the said pick. Wait...

 

[PaulGG]

Most favor Tampa to be competing for the cup this year and for that reason Bishop is very valuable at least to Tampa. Very unlikely they move Bishop. As the TDL approaches I am sure that the Bolts will at least look at it based upon needs at that time, injuries, standings and how desperate teams are for a goalie. Imagine the price would be a 1st and one very good player preferably a young defender if we did move him.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

I like how these proposals keep coming up and everyone has Dallas taking back like 11m in salary, as if we didn't cover this 10x already.

 

[RegularSznAllStars]

Most favor Tampa to be competing for the cup this year and for that reason Bishop is very valuable at least to Tampa. Very unlikely they move Bishop. As the TDL approaches I am sure that the Bolts will at least look at it based upon needs at that time, injuries, standings and how desperate teams are for a goalie. Imagine the price would be a 1st and one very good player preferably a young defender if we did move him.

You think Bish is gonna get a first and an A prospect at the TDL without a deal in place? I dunno about that.

 

[HowSweeeedeItIs]

I honestly see them moving Bishop. I don't see how they can go forward with him. I understand they'll try to move Johnson and Palat because to me, those are two of the more expendable higher end forwards they have, but I just feel like there's a few teams that would offer a reasonable sum for Bishop which would facilitate a trade.

I feel like teams would try to bend Tampa over a barrel on playersl ike Johnson and Palat, knowing that they're in a cap crunch and it would almost force them to move Bishop before one of them.

I've been wrong before though, so who knows, honestly.

Johnson sure, but Palat isn't going anywhere. No one on the team can replace Palat and he has chemistry with everyone he plays with.

 

[Rebuilt]

Im willing to do Bishop and Callahan to Dallas for 1 small cap dump and the rights to Nichuskin.

No , I dont think that is fair value but Im willing to do the Stars a favor to help the Lightning in the long run. Bish is a UFA at the end of the year so we dont need to protect him. Its getting Bishop and taking Callahans contract in exchange for a guy who may never even come back from the KHL.

 

[PaulGG]

You think Bish is gonna get a first and an A prospect at the TDL without a deal in place? I dunno about that.

Well, maybe not just depends on who needs a goalie and how desperate they are. I believe Chicago gave a 1st and a prospect for Andrew Ladd who also had no contract so similar trades do happen.

 

[WhatWhat]

Im willing to do Bishop and Callahan to Dallas for 1 small cap dump and the rights to Nichuskin.

No , I dont think that is fair value but Im willing to do the Stars a favor to help the Lightning in the long run. Bish is a UFA at the end of the year so we dont need to protect him. Its getting Bishop and taking Callahans contract in exchange for a guy who may never even come back from the KHL.

11 mililon in cap space for a solid wing prospect (who im pretty sure has been his teams top scoring playing since his KHL arrival) is doing Dallas a favour?

You dont just clear 11 in cap space, or 11-(1 small cap dump) million in cap space

 

[Rschmitz]

11 mililon in cap space for a solid wing prospect (who im pretty sure has been his teams top scoring playing since his KHL arrival) is doing Dallas a favour?

You dont just clear 11 in cap space, or 11-(1 small cap dump) million in cap space

You'd have a better argument if the asking was for Honka. There is a lot of damage control needed with Nichushkin just to get him back to North America in a couple of years.

 

[Shootertooter]

Bishop and Johnson for Honka, 1st, and the rights to Nichushkin

You do understand that there are salary cap implications to consider. Well, maybe you don't actually. This simply does not work mathematically for Dallas.

 

[Shootertooter]

11 mililon in cap space for a solid wing prospect (who im pretty sure has been his teams top scoring playing since his KHL arrival) is doing Dallas a favour?

You dont just clear 11 in cap space, or 11-(1 small cap dump) million in cap space

Exactly. Dallas can't take almost 12 million in cap if they only have room for about 2 million......a "small cap dump" needs to be 10 million or more to make this work....and it doesn't work.

 

[WhatWhat]

You'd have a better argument if the asking was for Honka. There is a lot of damage control needed with Nichushkin just to get him back to North America in a couple of years.

Nichushkins issue is ice time. He has said it multiple times. He signed a 2 year deal with an NHL opt out after year one. If he can be guaranteed top 6 minutes somewhere I dont think there will be any issues bringing back to NA

 

[Rschmitz]

You do understand that there are salary cap implications to consider. Well, maybe you don't actually. This simply does not work mathematically for Dallas.

Lightning pick up Niemi and send Namestnikov instead of Johnson. In exchange Dallas adds more picks or prospects.

 

[Rschmitz]

Nichushkins issue is ice time. He has said it multiple times. He signed a 2 year deal with an NHL opt out after year one. If he can be guaranteed top 6 minutes somewhere I dont think there will be any issues bringing back to NA

The Lightning went through this already with Drouin. You don't gurantee young flawed forwards ice time. The difference is Yzerman negotiated Drouin to swallow his ego and get back into the fold, Nichushkin will be in the KHL for the next two seasons at least and has shown no signs of softening his stance. That is a huge risk

 

[Rebuilt]

11 mililon in cap space for a solid wing prospect (who im pretty sure has been his teams top scoring playing since his KHL arrival) is doing Dallas a favour?

You dont just clear 11 in cap space, or 11-(1 small cap dump) million in cap space

Bishop comes off at the end of the year and is EXTREMELY useful to Dallas right now. When you think the whole process through, its a good deal for the Stars.

Watering Nichuskin down to a 'solid wing prospect' when he bolted to the KHL isnt helpful.