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Starshollow said:
Doan shouldnt be on Canadas roster to begin with, where´s Staal for instance?

Canadas team is rediculously awsome and solid in offensive area, their 3:rd and 4:th line´s are better than most other teams firstlines, Sweden & Chech Rep excluded, and perhaps Russias aswell.
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Slovakia has very good first line as well. And Finland's Selänne-Koivu-Lehtinen isn't bad either. So try again.
 
blacklabel said:
Slovakia has very good first line as well. And Finland's Selänne-Koivu-Lehtinen isn't bad either. So try again.
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Those arent bad, but not as good as Canadas anyway. Noone has their depth. And your topline dont have the defenders to back them up.


So try again. :yo:
 
Starshollow said:
Doan shouldnt be on Canadas roster to begin with, where´s Staal for instance?

Canadas team is rediculously awsome and solid in offensive area, their 3:rd and 4:th line´s are better than most other teams firstlines, Sweden & Chech Rep excluded, and perhaps Russias aswell.


Jörgen Jönsson and Mika Hannula are the worst picks since the battle of Hastings, those guys dont belong there.
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Jörgen Jönsson is a good pick imho. He's probably one of the worlds best penaltykillers (atleast with Nordstöm as his partner).

And when you build a tournament-team you don't select the guys with most points, but those who are best suited for each role (Maltby, Draper etc).

I don't think it's even resonable to compare 1st and 3rd lines, these aren't all-star games.
 
Raimo Sillanpää said:
There isn't a single team in the Olympics that woudn't have a fully healthy Tuomo Ruutu on its roster.
And as was pointed out, his position is RW/C not C.

On Team Canada, I'd swop Doan for Ruutu, for the US, Gionta for Ruutu, for Slovakia say Kapus, for Russia how about Haritonov, for the Czechs how about Cajanek, for Sweden we could do away with Hannula, or if we wanted a centre then Jörgen Jönssön. Tuomo certainly brings more to the table.
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Jönsson is untouchable...for some reason that nobody excepts coach Gustafsson knows. I would easily swap him for Ruutu myself though.
 
Finland has their Selänne-Koivu-Lehtinen top line intact while Sweden has lost Näslund and Forsberg. We dont even have a clear nr1 line anymore.

Sweden is equal with finland for biggest losses. Kipepr is good, but finland is deep on the goalie side. Sweden cant replace Forsberg.

why are we arguing again? Someone saying that Sweden hasn't taken a big loss with Forsberg is delusional. It's like missing Jagr.

WE CANT WIN GOLD NOW.
 
SectionX said:
why are we arguing again? Someone saying that Sweden hasn't taken a big loss with Forsberg is delusional. It's like missing Jagr.
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Who are you aguing? :) Is Forsberg now definitely out? If he is, its a devastating blow for Sweden and really sucks for the entire tournament.
 
Bonkers said:
Who are you aguing? :) Is Forsberg now definitely out? If he is, its a devastating blow for Sweden and really sucks for the entire tournament.
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the chances for Forsberg to come is estimated around 5% as of today. No one really believes it anymore. Not even the media.
 
SectionX said:
Finland has their Selänne-Koivu-Lehtinen top line intact while Sweden has lost Näslund and Forsberg. We dont even have a clear nr1 line anymore.

Sweden is equal with finland for biggest losses. Kipepr is good, but finland is deep on the goalie side. Sweden cant replace Forsberg.

why are we arguing again? Someone saying that Sweden hasn't taken a big loss with Forsberg is delusional. It's like missing Jagr.
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No one has said Sweden hasn't suffered from their losses. Sweden is clearly 2nd behind Finland. But IMHO losing Kipper AND Lehtonen is a bigger loss for Finland than the loss for Sweden losing Forsberg (which is not certain yet), considering that Nitty hasn't been in a very good shape lately and Toivonen, Toskala and Markkanen are out too. Yes, we have depth in goal, but most of our goalies are unavailable. But Sweden is deep in forwards too.

And I don't know why are we arguing here. I think this is no-brainer.
 
blacklabel said:
No one has said Sweden hasn't suffered from their losses. Sweden is clearly 2nd behind Finland. But IMHO losing Kipper AND Lehtonen is a bigger loss for Finland than the loss for Sweden losing Forsberg (which is not certain yet), considering that Nitty hasn't been in a very good shape lately and Toivonen, Toskala and Markkanen are out too. Yes, we have depth in goal, but most of our goalies are unavailable. But Sweden is deep in forwards too.

And I don't know why are we arguing here. I think this is no-brainer.
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ok but after finland it's sweden. No one can atleast argue that.
 
Riddarn said:
There.. 15 swedish defenders who are all superior to Rhodin. And there are more of them.

And this year, Rhodin hasn't been close to a top defender in the SEL..
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Here's another list:
Radek Hamr (Czh)
Per HÃ¥llberg
Jonas Frögren

These are players that have outperformed Rhodin this season in Farjestads BK.
None of these players are even close to the Swedish top-20.
 
Matti_A said:
Jörgen Jönsson is a good pick imho. He's probably one of the worlds best penaltykillers (atleast with Nordstöm as his partner).

And when you build a tournament-team you don't select the guys with most points, but those who are best suited for each role (Maltby, Draper etc).

I don't think it's even resonable to compare 1st and 3rd lines, these aren't all-star games.
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I can easily name 10 guys who should make the team instead of JJ. Hell, I could probably name 5 players in his clubteam that deserves it more.

SectionX said:
well rhodin sucks.
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The same goes for JJ and Hannula, and what is Tjärnqvist doing on this team? wonder what their excuses are.


We should deport BÃ…G, any takers?
 
Toett said:
Here's another list:
Radek Hamr (Czh)
Per HÃ¥llberg
Jonas Frögren

These are players that have outperformed Rhodin this season in Farjestads BK.
None of these players are even close to the Swedish top-20.
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Actually you could even add Robin Jonsson to that list. Rhodin has been quite useless this year.
 
Nummelin and Niemi

Strictly in terms of offencive ability, Nummelin is the best we've got. Timonen is close, but not as creative, and Pitkänen isn't there yet. Who ever suggested having Lydman instead of him in PP is seriously delusional. Nummelin does truly suck in his own end to make up for it, though. Still, I wouldn't be suprised if he leads all defenceman in scoring.

Niemi is a tough defencive guy with some skill who rarely makes mistake, he is just not big enough to be a force in NHL. Nothing special, but OK for a limited role.
 
MAF said:
Umm...no. Goaltending yes, but not D overall. Their top d-men (Schubert, Seidenberg, Ehrhoff) are all 5th or 6th defender on their respective team (sure, Seidenberg gets now a lot of icetime in Phoenix, but he had been a healthy scratch a cople of times in Philly).

However if the Germans play quite well, they can make the Big 7 nations having a hard time against them.
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Germany is easily the best defensive team in the world. Just look at the amount of frustration they created when Zach build "the Berlin Wall" in Salt Lake. Even without Seidenberg, Schubert and Erhoff the German Defensive game is, and always has been awesome. Offensively, we suck, and we don't really play to win but to get respectable results aka tight losses.
 
SectionX said:
the chances for Forsberg to come is estimated around 5% as of today. No one really believes it anymore. Not even the media.
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I remember you were so convinced when we had our little discussion. :shakehead
 
NyQuil said:
I'm petty and I wanted to hear it. :sarcasm:

On the other hand, Forsberg is a treat to watch and I wish he was going.

A 5 % chance is still a chance.
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after today's practice it seems that he is better again. This is a true rollercoaster ride :biglaugh:

Id say it's 30% chance he is going now.
 
SectionX said:
after today's practice it seems that he is better again. This is a true rollercoaster ride :biglaugh:

Id say it's 30% chance he is going now.
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Heh, we may not end up knowing for sure until the puck drops.
 
Starshollow said:
True, but that says more about the Finnish team than it does about Tuomo unfortunately. We have 4 centers that I´d pick before Tuomo; Sundin, Foppa, Zetterberg and H.Sedin.

Koivu is a great playmaker but lacks many other important aspects of the game, Selänne is a great scorer but lacks other important aspects of the game, Lehtinen is pretty good at everything, but not great at anything except defensively. Together however, they could be deadly. However, aside from that line, the Finnish team has no real depth. But as we all know, motivation usually adds up pretty well against a lazy more talented team, so who knows. God how I hate your Finnish "Sisu", hehe..

Havent seen Selänne & Koivu much this season, but Selänne seems to do better than the previous years, too bad he´s so one-dimensional.
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It doesn't matter who's better but who has the most impact on his respected team. Finland's depth small and losing their two best goalies and their best defenseman is a huge blow, much more so that Sweden's.
 
this is what Bob Mckenzie said about Forsberg's injury.

it's virtually impossible for the Swedes to effectively replace Forsberg.
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so true.
 
Yes, a healthy Forsberg would me almost impossible to replace by any nation, but a 50% Forsberg? Maybe it's not such a bad thing for the Swedes after all?
 
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