Biggest Disappointment This Season

[Canovin]

so? that didn't translate to anything other than 2 goals in 3 games in Florida
had we had home ice in the Cup final, we win the series.

Had we had home ice? The momentum was in favor of the Oilers full swing. The final game end up being a tight checking game and shots were kept to the outside. What do you know, Stuart lets the GWG in from the outside.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Had we had home ice? The momentum was in favor of the Oilers full swing. The final game end up being a tight checking game and shots were kept to the outside. What do you know, Stuart lets the GWG in from the outside.

Game 7 doesn't occur if the Oilers score some goals in Games 1 or 2...like score ONE extra goddamn goal lol
we've gone through this ad nauseum lol

either way, Skinner is still here so perhaps take a break until the Oilers lose in the playoffs?

 

[Canovin]

Game 7 doesn't occur if the Oilers score some goals in Games 1 or 2...like score ONE extra goddamn goal lol
we've gone through this ad nauseum lol

either way, Skinner is still here so perhaps take a break until the Oilers lose in the playoffs?

Seems like the players only score when they know it's not subpar goaltending they're getting

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Seems like the players only score when they know it's not subpar goaltending they're getting

except they won against the Canucks by scoring goals

 

[Canovin]

except they won against the Canucks by scoring goals

That's true. The players got tired from carrying Stuart

 

[alphahelix]

Kinda ironic Jackson is voted #1 disappointment considering how in July he was being hailed as the holy grail for all his moves he made. Sure on paper everything looked good but not everything pans out how they should

Hindsight is 20/20.......

Hard disagree. I think there was a very reasonable assumption made by most fans that our management wouldnt be out shopping for budget veterans if they didnt already have the SUBSTANTIALLY more important and more valuable RFA situation in check behind the scenes. I think a lot of people fairly presumed that it was just a matter of making sure the budget deals on Henrique/Brown etc fit on July 1st so they could then press the ink on the RFA deals and move forward with the offseason.

Priority #1 turned out to be a non priority so the praise Jackson received on July 1st quite rightfully evaporated as that was revealed.

 

[alphahelix]

Looks like we have someone from Holloways family here. Heart of gold and would've taken less. You willing to make personal attacks and risk thread ban for this turd who fled to please his Flames loving buddies. f*** Holloway and wish him a pathetic career for leaving a contender while everyone else was willing to take discounts for another run.

McDavid will continue to make him and broberg his bxxches rest of their careers

(Ps the B word doesn't get censored here)

Holloway literally said as much publicly and Bowman did not refute it, so it stands as public record of the matter. Any other representation of the situation is fake news until proven otherwise, and anyone temporarily bootlicking for whoever the latest failure of a GM we trot out is truly the lowest of the low in the fanbase or among our species in general. Especially someone who has been around long enough to lick the boots of dozens of managers at this point and circumspectly disparage them when theyre gone in order to praise the new failure as they arrive.

You know, the Skinner lovers and the Skinner haters receive a TON of hate here on hfboards, but IMO that is all just part of the roller-coaster of regular fan dicsourse. Part of being a fan.

If you want to know who the true VILLAINS are, look for the posters whose natural inclination is to always defend and apologize for whoever the current management is and seize every opportunity to attack and denigrate anyone outgoing from the organization-- including yesterday's manager that they just finished tongue polishing the day before. These people are representatives of the lowest elements of society, desperately seeking to be part of the in group and cloying for the approval of their perceived superiors hoping to bolster their own self image by association, regardless of merit. In real life these are the traitors, the collaborators, the sell outs, the uncle toms, the social parasites. The HF version is so loathsome and so predictable, behavioural patterns repeating with each incoming management team and the pitchforks out for anyone who doesnt fall in line and shine the new GMs shoes like a good Kapo.

 

[Slats432]

Exodus 3:1-14

If you look for the bush maybe you can lead us to the promised land?

Doing the same thing and expecting different results is insanity.

I don't read the book. Not keeping young players that you develop is also insanity.

 

[AM]

I don't read the book. Not keeping young players that you develop is also insanity.

How about if they sign with somebody else?

Do you want them then?

They wanted to get paid and they got it.

 

[Slats432]

How about if they sign with somebody else?

Do you want them then?

They wanted to get paid and they got it.

Yep, Dylan Holloway wasn't a good investment at $2.2M. Shouldn't have matched that offersheet. Would have been bad business. #sarcasm Not matching was dumb then and is still dumb now.

The Broberg was cost prohibitive and it makes sense not to match that one. Not matching Holloway is a grievous error. Hence it's inclusion in the BIGGEST DISSAPOINTMENT thread.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

How about if they sign with somebody else?

Do you want them then?

They wanted to get paid and they got it.

Just match the offer sheets.

Or sign them to contracts beforehand.

Don't act like management had no option in this scenario.

 

[BurnabyJoe7]

Biggest one for me is letting Holloway walk. Followed closely by Bouchard and Skinner's play but both of those were somewhat foreseable.

Broberg was going to be tough to negotiate with and it was fair to walk away from him, but Holloway wasn't asking for the moon and the fact he was playing well without putting up many points already gave us enough leverage. Think it was reported he wanted 1.5 before signing the offer sheet... how cheap is management to not be getting that done? Especially when we were handing out contracts to guys like Perry. Ironically, Perry has lived up to his contract while the arvidsson and Skinner contracts don't look great, but at the time I was fine with them and they are playing well lately.

Letting our two top prospects walk after each had great playoff performances is just poor asset management and will haunt us down the road, especially if we sign McDavid long term and have 2 players making nearly 30 mil/year.

Fine with the McLeod trade and letting foegele walk.

 

[AM]

Yep, Dylan Holloway wasn't a good investment at $2.2M. Shouldn't have matched that offersheet. Would have been bad business. #sarcasm Not matching was dumb then and is still dumb now.

The Broberg was cost prohibitive and it makes sense not to match that one. Not matching Holloway is a grievous error. Hence it's inclusion in the BIGGEST DISSAPOINTMENT thread.

It’s not about the money. Not sarcasm

Also having a biggest disappointment thread before the end of the season is why the fans are the biggest disappointment.

 

[LTIR]

Holloway literally said as much publicly and Bowman did not refute it, so it stands as public record of the matter. Any other representation of the situation is fake news until proven otherwise, and anyone temporarily bootlicking for whoever the latest failure of a GM we trot out is truly the lowest of the low in the fanbase or among our species in general. Especially someone who has been around long enough to lick the boots of dozens of managers at this point and circumspectly disparage them when theyre gone in order to praise the new failure as they arrive.

You know, the Skinner lovers and the Skinner haters receive a TON of hate here on hfboards, but IMO that is all just part of the roller-coaster of regular fan dicsourse. Part of being a fan.

If you want to know who the true VILLAINS are, look for the posters whose natural inclination is to always defend and apologize for whoever the current management is and seize every opportunity to attack and denigrate anyone outgoing from the organization-- including yesterday's manager that they just finished tongue polishing the day before. These people are representatives of the lowest elements of society, desperately seeking to be part of the in group and cloying for the approval of their perceived superiors hoping to bolster their own self image by association, regardless of merit. In real life these are the traitors, the collaborators, the sell outs, the uncle toms, the social parasites. The HF version is so loathsome and so predictable, behavioural patterns repeating with each incoming management team and the pitchforks out for anyone who doesnt fall in line and shine the new GMs shoes like a good Kapo.

Name me one poster who is always defending or apologizing for this management. The hate for them is unanimous. Some just blame JJ or Holland more than Bowman. Even if they were they would be entitled to their opinion. Same goes for Skinner defenders/haters.
I bash Bouchard all the time and consider him worse than Stecher defensively. Once again entitled to my opinion.

The villans you speak of don't exist on hf. They are in the media and are paid staff of Oilers (ie Bob)

 

[Slats432]

It’s not about the money. Not sarcasm

Also having a biggest disappointment thread before the end of the season is why the fans are the biggest disappointment.

Not sure I am clear about your first statement. The Oilers could still have a tremendous end of the season. JJ and GMSB could be proven right. My position on whether or not they should have matched on Holloway won't change even if they win the cup. (Although going with Skinner proved pretty good last year, and I hope it does again this year, in which I would concede that I was wrong that they should have made a move for a better goalie during this season)

 

[Canovin]

People want to believe Holloway was an easy match. I don't believe so. Lots goes behind the scene that we don't know. Matching Holloway puts the Oilers at a 20 man roster.

I also believe McDavid was involved. I have nothing to prove it. If he believes bringing Holloway back would disrupt the lockerroom, I'm good with that as well. On a different year if Holloway signed the offersheet it's probably fine but after a game 7 finals and everyone taking discount, you do this. It probably rub a bunch of guys the wrong way.

 

[Canovin]

Not sure I am clear about your first statement. The Oilers could still have a tremendous end of the season. JJ and GMSB could be proven right. My position on whether or not they should have matched on Holloway won't change even if they win the cup. (Although going with Skinner proved pretty good last year, and I hope it does again this year, in which I would concede that I was wrong that they should have made a move for a better goalie during this season)

If the universe said, sacrifice Holloway and Broberg in order for the Oilers to hoist some cups, I'd do that every time and not think about memory lane

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

People want to believe Holloway was an easy match. I don't believe so. Lots goes behind the scene that we don't know. Matching Holloway puts the Oilers at a 20 man roster.

I also believe McDavid was involved. I have nothing to prove it. If he believes bringing Holloway back would disrupt the lockerroom, I'm good with that as well. On a different year if Holloway signed the offersheet it's probably fine but after a game 7 finals and everyone taking discount, you do this. It probably rub a bunch of guys the wrong way.

Why should Holloway be the one who takes a discount when a clearly inferior player like Henrique gets 3 million? And there was no hindsight bias necessary for this, Holloway outplayed Henrique in the playoffs, the former working his way up to Drai's line while the latter had to be kicked out of the top 6 after the LA series, and then got carried by Janmark and Brown on the third line.

Also I think your McDavid comment is unsubstantiated speculation. But in the scenario that McDavid played a role in Henrique/Arvidsson/Skinner being Oilers and Holloway/Broberg not, then McDavid doesn't deserve a Cup in his career.

 

[Canovin]

Why should Holloway be the one who takes a discount when a clearly inferior player like Henrique gets 3 million? And there was no hindsight bias necessary for this, Holloway outplayed Henrique in the playoffs, the former working his way up to Drai's line while the latter had to be kicked out of the top 6 after the LA series, and then got carried by Janmark and Brown on the third line.

Also I think your McDavid comment is unsubstantiated speculation. But in the scenario that McDavid played a role in Henrique/Arvidsson/Skinner being Oilers and Holloway/Broberg not, then McDavid doesn't deserve a Cup in his career.

Henrique was clearly inferior to Holloway at the time of the offersheet? He was a top 6 player in Anaheim before coming to the Oilers. Holloway was almost a lost cause before the playoffs. Henrique was injured in the playoffs and took awhile to regain form. He was critical in a lot of games.

As for McDavid, I'm not going to continue with that as that's just IMO

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Henrique was clearly inferior to Holloway at the time of the offersheet? He was a top 6 player in Anaheim before coming to the Oilers. Holloway was almost a lost cause before the playoffs. Henrique was injured in the playoffs and took awhile to regain form. He was critical in a lot of games.

As for McDavid, I'm not going to continue with that as that's just IMO

Did we watch the same Henrique? He was the worst player on the team for the majority of his time as an Oiler. He got hemmed in his own zone for fun and managed to make Draisaitl produce like a 3rd liner before we pulled him off Drai's line. You can cope that it was injuries that led to that, but nothing has changed this season with regards to his level of play. If anything it has actually declined. Perhaps the reason why Anaheim was competing for a lottery spot was because they had Adam Henrique in their top 6. Awful player in all 3 zones.

 

[Drivesaitl]

It’s not about the money. Not sarcasm

Also having a biggest disappointment thread before the end of the season is why the fans are the biggest disappointment.

Its a learned condition, it isn't an attribute. Any Canadian fans, some more than others would have some similar ptsd in a 32yr shutout of Canadian clubs.

That you see this as some kind of fan blight is interesting considering no club has a fanbase as enthused as this one to spend thousands of bucks on tickets.

This is also the org that sold Wayne Gretzky, that drafted Steve Kelly instead of Shane doan with the draft located at Rexall and home fans chanting Doan, Doan, Doan.

Now more recently the club loses its best prospects, multiple, to offer sheets and trades another, same offseason. The team that traded Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle for assets decreasing to a Ryan Spooner.

A team that hired Dallas Eakins as headcoach, Chiarelli as manager "to get it right this time" and hired an investigated Bob Nicholson as manager. Out of politeness I won't expand on Bowman.

The fan bashing could probably stop.

 

[Canovin]

Did we watch the same Henrique? He was the worst player on the team for the majority of his time as an Oiler. He got hemmed in his own zone for fun and managed to make Draisaitl produce like a 3rd liner before we pulled him off Drai's line. You can cope that it was injuries that led to that, but nothing has changed this season with regards to his level of play. If anything it has actually declined. Perhaps the reason why Anaheim was competing for a lottery spot was because they had Adam Henrique in their top 6. Awful player in all 3 zones.

He looks good to me when asked to play a bigger role when Mcdavid went down. I'm not too worry about Henrique. Oilers brought him back and it's for the playoffs. Same goes for a lot of the guys. The biggest concern is the starting goalie.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

He looks good to me when asked to play a bigger role when Mcdavid went down. I'm not too worry about Henrique. Oilers brought him back and it's for the playoffs. Same goes for a lot of the guys. The biggest concern is the starting goalie.

Goaltending is absolutely an issue. Doesn't mean there aren't other issues too. Both are symptoms of an organizational disease that has infected this team since the Decade of Darkness: namely our inability to get a long-term starter (much of which is Dustin Schwartz related) and our obsession with overpaid declining veterans with more character and leadership than hockey abilities.

 

[Canovin]

Its a learned condition, it isn't an attribute. Any Canadian fans, some more than others would have some similar ptsd in a 32yr shutout of Canadian clubs.

That you see this as some kind of fan blight is interesting considering no club has a fanbase as enthused as this one to spend thousands of bucks on tickets.

This is also the org that sold Wayne Gretzky, that drafted Steve Kelly instead of Shane doan with the draft located at Rexall and home fans chanting Doan, Doan, Doan.

Now more recently the club loses its best prospects, multiple, to offer sheets and trades another, same offseason. The team that traded Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle for assets decreasing to a Ryan Spooner.

A team that hired Dallas Eakins as headcoach, Chiarelli as manager "to get it right this time" and hired an investigated Bob Nicholson as manager. Out of politeness I won't expand on Bowman.

The fan bashing could probably stop.

Taylor Hall --> Larsson was a good trade.
Ebs --> Ryan Strome was a good trade.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Taylor Hall --> Larsson was a good trade.
Ebs --> Ryan Strome was a good trade.

Trading a Hart Trophy winner for a defenseman who was a liability for 3.5 out of 5 years here was a good trade?