Injury Report: Big Buff Discussion

[Teemusalami204]

Agreed. I'm perfectly fine with them terminating the contract, cap is an asset. Hoping the Jets pick up 2-3 bad contracts for picks, trade away a few vets for picks and stock up on picks. Then rebuild the D via trade & FA between now and next season. Plus we get a good 1st Rd pick. Bob's your uncle, keep building.

Year 9 let's keep on building. No urgency at all to win.

Do you really think Chevy will take on some bad contracts and waste that money ? I bet chipman would rather save it if we are not making playoffs

 

[GeorgeJETson]

I was going to post the TSN article, but since I see there's hundreds of posts in this thread since I last checked, I think you all already know about it

 

[DashingDane]

How do you figure that? Had he not done what he did then he would have made a big difference. If at very minimum he would have informed Chevy of his intentions, then we would have kept Chiarot.

If you don’t think that it would have made a difference then that’s what’s ridiculous.

they played like a bubble team all last season when we also had Trouba, Myers and Chia so don’t think he by himself makes that big of a difference. At least doesn’t make them a “contender” which is what we should be measuring by imo. That might say more about my lack of faith in Paul’s systems than how good Buff is. If him sitting out guaranteed them not signing Chia or Myers I think he might have actually done the Jets a favor

 

[sting13]

I dont see any value in the Jets terminating his contract. Cap space is meaningless now, this season is already lost.

Not sure why Chevy would give up the asset for nothing

Because the trade deadline is coming and you don't know what other teams tight to the cap might offer the Jets to clear spave for themselves. It gives options.

 

[Mud Turtle]

I hate losing assets for little or nothing. We’ve lost so many over the past year.
But this one I understand it’s not really Chevy’s fault.
Buff, if he would have wanted to be, could have been a super elite NHL defensemen. He is so unique. Huge body, great skater, good vision. Great hits and could put up a lot of points. But he never really played to his full potential. He just never seemed to have the drive of a guy like Tanev or others that give 100% all the time.
Too bad, because the few games where Buff was going all out, he would take over a game like nobody else.

 

[Analyst365]

If this is what it looks like then we know this. Buff once again showed up to training camp out of shape after a summer long bender.

When he was called on it he didn’t like it and told management where to go as only he can. When he thought about it more he tried to screw over the organization by saying his injury was linked to his prior ankle issue so he would get paid.

After mounting pressure from the Jets to get this dealt with in time for the trade deadline, it finally set in that his bluff was going no where.

Goodbye and good riddance!

 

[Finnflash]

Just don’t understand why we would settle for a buyout.

If he was legit injured can’t isurance cover the loss and then open up cap space to fill his replacement.

Overall this outcome seems poorly managed by both GM and player.

My hope was that somehow the league was involved so the Jets would not set a precedent for players injured in the off season.

But this result says no. It was all a fight between player and GM.

Bad play by both.

 

[Hunter368]

Year 9 let's keep on building. No urgency at all to win.

Do you really think Chevy will take on some bad contracts and waste that money ? I bet chipman would rather save it if we are not making playoffs

Win? Win with what? Would you sooner had Chevy sign Chariot & Myers to bad contracts and trade Laine due to cap reasons? Chevy choose to sign our young new core instead of signing older D to bad deals.

Whether you agree or not with the strategy Jets went all in the last two years to win while they had as much of a complete team (due to ELC deals) & aging core as they could. Buff, Little, Wheeler all play significant roles and Jets went for it and fell short like all NHL teams except two of them over those two years. Now they need to rebuild the cupboards with picks & prospects & rebuild the D core. The last two years was their urgency to win and went all in to win, you can't do that every year no team can.

I would sooner they take on a couple bad contracts for picks, but as a private business it's their right to save the money if they like. That is a possibility in a small market team like us, if that drives people crazy I would suggest those people cheer for the Leafs or Rangers who have unlimited money to spend......were not them so people can accept that or cry about it which does nothing or cheer for another team.

 

[KingBogo]

Just don’t understand why we would settle for a buyout.

If he was legit injured can’t isurance cover the loss and then open up cap space to fill his replacement.

Overall this outcome seems poorly managed by both GM and player.

My hope was that somehow the league was involved so the Jets would not set a precedent for players injured in the off season.

But this result says no. It was all a fight between player and GM.

Bad play by both.

I think you have it backwards. It is a procedural fight between the NHL and the NHLPA that will be settled amicably between the team and player. Buff doesn’t want to do the rehab work to play hockey. He is rich beyond his needs and he is a backwoods guy who just wants to hunt and fish. Hell he almost gave a pro career taking off his 15 y/o season to pretty much do the same thing. Just because someone is good at something (hockey) it doesn’t mean it is his passion.

 

[Teemusalami204]

Win? Win with what? Would you sooner had Chevy sign Chariot & Myers to bad contracts and trade Laine due to cap reasons? Chevy choose to sign our young new core instead of signing older D to bad deals.

Whether you agree or not with the strategy Jets went all in the last two years to win while they had as much of a complete team (due to ELC deals) & aging core as they could. Buff, Little, Wheeler all play significant roles and Jets went for it and fell short like all NHL teams except two of them over those two years. Now they need to rebuild the cupboards with picks & prospects & rebuild the D core. The last two years was their urgency to win and went all in to win, you can't do that every year no team can.

I would sooner they take on a couple bad contracts for picks, but as a private business it's their right to save the money if they like. That is a possibility in a small market team like us, if that drives people crazy I would suggest those people cheer for the Leafs or Rangers who have unlimited money to spend......were not them so people can accept that or cry about it which does nothing or cheer for another team.

I just see this happening again when sheifs and wheelers contracts are up. I wouldnt be concerned if we were not doing a mini rebuild for a potently 2 year run again.

The jets have preached longevity and building towards a perennial playoff team. We had a two year run and now we are going to take two years to go for another two year run.

Sheifs contract will double that year and that will swallow up most of wheelers cap hit if we dont re sign him. There will be a significant thinning of our roster that offseason as well.

I've seen nothing but excuses. Its year 9 and we are anything but stable and a consistent playoff team

 

[Finnflash]

I think you have it backwards. It is a procedural fight between the NHL and the NHLPA that will be settled amicably between the team and player. Buff doesn’t want to do the rehab work to play hockey. He is rich beyond his needs and he is a backwoods guy who just wants to hunt and fish. Hell he almost gave a pro career taking off his 15 y/o season to pretty much do the same thing. Just because someone is good at something (hockey) it doesn’t mean it is his passion.

Yes. That’s what I’m hoping. If it’s a procedural fight then I hope the jets settle with a buyout to the player but no cap penalty

 

[surixon]

I just see this happening again when sheifs and wheelers contracts are up. I wouldnt be concerned if we were not doing a mini rebuild for a potently 2 year run again.

The jets have preached longevity and building towards a perennial playoff team. We had a two year run and now we are going to take two years to go for another two year run.

Sheifs contract will double that year and that will swallow up most of wheelers cap hit if we dont re sign him. There will be a significant thinning of our roster that offseason as well.

I've seen nothing but excuses. Its year 9 and we are anything but stable and a consistent playoff team

I've always believed that this team would be that consistent playoff team when the young core completely took over the team. What management tried to do the last two years was trying to win with both cores still on the team.

What I am not overly happy about is loosing our good older assets for nothing but I still believe in our young core going forward. We just need some retooling this summer and a new coach and I think we are back in the playoffs next year.

 

[Hunter368]

I just see this happening again when sheifs and wheelers contracts are up. I wouldnt be concerned if we were not doing a mini rebuild for a potently 2 year run again.

The jets have preached longevity and building towards a perennial playoff team. We had a two year run and now we are going to take two years to go for another two year run.

Sheifs contract will double that year and that will swallow up most of wheelers cap hit if we dont re sign him. There will be a significant thinning of our roster that offseason as well.

I've seen nothing but excuses. Its year 9 and we are anything but stable and a consistent playoff team

Excuses? Buff shocked the world by announcing his potential retirement/career ending injury or call it whatever you like. Jets have lead the NHL this entire year in injures from game one till now when you include Buff in those numbers and it's not even close. Huge difference between excuses and context.

Not to mention as far as Mark S and Wheeler eventually go......yeh all teams age and go through cycles of growth, peak and then decline.......it happens to all teams and it's not excuses that's normal. Thankfully Mark likely has 5-6 good years left and Wheeler has likely 2-3-4 years left of good play.

 

[AlphaLackey]

they played like a bubble team all last season when we also had Trouba, Myers and Chia so don’t think he by himself makes that big of a difference. At least doesn’t make them a “contender” which is what we should be measuring by imo. That might say more about my lack of faith in Paul’s systems than how good Buff is. If him sitting out guaranteed them not signing Chia or Myers I think he might have actually done the Jets a favor

They played like a bubble team during the parts where they didn't have Byfuglien. You can see it fall apart when he was injured, ending when he was healthy and back in the lineup late in the year, including a underlying-metric-standards well played series against St. Louis, where even well past the halfway point they were big statistical favorites to win the series. His contribution simply cannot be understated. He was a literal all-star level #1D. What team loses that for that long and just "mehs" their way through it?

 

[Hunter368]

I've always believed that this team would be that consistent playoff team when the young core completely took over the team. What management tried to do the last two years was trying to win with both cores still on the team.

What I am not overly happy about is loosing our good older assets for nothing but I still believe in our young core going forward. We just need some retooling this summer and a new coach and I think we are back in the playoffs next year.

Correct

 

[KingBogo]

Yes. That’s what I’m hoping. If it’s a procedural fight then I hope the jets settle with a buyout to the player but no cap penalty

That is the way it is sounding by initial reports.

 

[surixon]

Yes. That’s what I’m hoping. If it’s a procedural fight then I hope the jets settle with a buyout to the player but no cap penalty

There wont be any buyout as that would have cap ramifications for the next 4 years.

If Buff and the Jets reach a cash settlement it must count against the cap otherwise teams would be abusing this on all their bad contracts.

Simple fact is that Buff is in breach of his contract which is why the team is electing to go this route.

 

[Finnflash]

There wont be any buyout as that would have cap ramifications for the next 4 years.

If Buff and the Jets reach a cash settlement it must count against the cap otherwise teams would be abusing this on all their bad contracts.

Simple fact is that Buff is in breach of his contract which is why the team is electing to go this route


I didn’t realize that if so good on Chevy

 

[PhilJets]

Yeah Buff wont have much trade value.


If Jets can use his cap space to get a dmen during off season.

Or even this year if the dman has terms will be ok


Off limit

55
34
44
29
27
81
1st round pick

Rest are in play.

 

[Ducky10]

Sip is the one and only true bitter pill. The rest of the angry mob here just look petty.

 

[CorgisPer60]

This tweet basically contains a transcript of Elliotte Friedman's recent hit on Sportsnet Central about the Buff situation.

 

[GNP]

I'm a bit perplexed by reading these comments, and it leaves me wondering ? I just can't see a guy like Buff retire, when he has lot's of good hockey in him, and leave a "huge" pile of money on the table.

 

[DashingDane]

They played like a bubble team during the parts where they didn't have Byfuglien. You can see it fall apart when he was injured, ending when he was healthy and back in the lineup late in the year, including a underlying-metric-standards well played series against St. Louis, where even well past the halfway point they were big statistical favorites to win the series. His contribution simply cannot be understated. He was a literal all-star level #1D. What team loses that for that long and just "mehs" their way through it?

I'm not trying to downplay his impact. Buff is one of my favorite players and one of the best defensemen in the league if you ask me. I just don't see adding him this year suddenly making the team a contender. I think they are still a bubble team with or without him playing.

I look at last season in to parts. First half and second half. Metrics in the first half were just as bad as the second half but they seemed to get W's in the first. There were plenty of posters here that pointed out the wins weren't sustainable when they were winning. Their luck caught up with them in the 2nd half of the season. I don't think this team has looked the same since they lost to Vegas.

 

[Hunter368]

This tweet basically contains a transcript of Elliotte Friedman's recent hit on Sportsnet Central about the Buff situation.

It happens in business everyday. I've personally gone through it myself and I've been on the management side multi times.......it happens. No biggie, time to move on. Crying about it solves nothing.

 

[dcypher]

I say get rid of the other Atlanta core too and just start fresh with the pieces we have. Imagine what we would get for Wheels and Little. Why not go all out.

Then we can finally be the Winnipeg Jets!