Better Player: B. Marchand vs T. Fleury

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Who is a better player?

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[Felidae]

Marchand

Points: 3, 5, 5, 6
PPG: 4, 5, 5, 6, 9
Goals: 4, 6, 6
GPG: 5, 6, 6, 9

Hart: 5,5,7,9,11
Selke: 9, 9, 10, 12, 12

Team scoring placements
1st place: 6 times
2nd place: 5 times
3rd place:

Lead over teammates
2012-13: 3 points
2016-17: 15 points
2017-18: 5 points
2018-19: 19 points
2020-21: 20 points
2021-22: 3 points



Fleury

Points: 6, 7, 8
PPG: 6, 7, 7, 10
Goals: 2, 6, 7
GPG: 4, 8, 8

Hart: 5, 5
Selke: 5

Team scoring placements
1st place: 7 times
2nd place: 3 times
3rd place: 2 times

Point lead over next highest teammate
1990: 1 point
1992: 12 points
1994: 8 points
1995: 26 points
1996: 7 points
1997: 29 points
1998: 12 points


I actually expected Fleury to lead his team in scoring much more than Marchand. But they both lead their teams in scoring quite a bit with similar gaps over their teammates.

Fleury did not have a lot of help especially in those later years, so who knows how his production would look with similar linemates to Marchand... but then Marchand at times had a humongous point gap over one of Pastrnak and Bergeron, both of whom were better players than the forwards on Fleury's team. (For example, I'd say a 20 point lead over Pastrnak is more impressive than a 29 point lead over Stillman..)

And despite Marchand having the stronger supporting cast throughout their careers playing with Bergeron and Pastrnak, his hart record is still slightly better than Theo's.

But I think the decisive point in Marchand's favour is two way play. Idk what was up with Fleury's 5th place Selke finish, but he never got any votes for the award again

All in all, great poll and as close as 2 players can get. I'm leaning Marchand ever so slightly, but could be convinced otherwise.

 

[Coffee]

Marchand

Points: 3, 5, 5, 6
PPG: 4, 5, 5, 6, 9
Goals: 4, 6, 6
GPG: 5, 6, 6, 9

Hart: 5,5,7,9,11
Selke: 9, 9, 10, 12, 12

Team scoring placements
1st place: 1
2nd place: 5 times
3rd place:

Lead over teammates
2012-13: 3 points
2016-17: 15 points
2017-18: 5 points
2018-19: 19 points
2020-21: 20 points
2021-22: 3 points



Fleury

Points: 6, 7, 8
PPG: 6, 7, 7, 10
Goals: 2, 6, 7
GPG: 4, 8, 8

Hart: 5, 5
Selke: 5

Team scoring placements
1st place: 7 times
2nd place: 3 times
3rd place: 2 times

Point lead over next highest teammate
1990: 1 point
1992: 12 points
1994: 8 points
1995: 26 points
1996: 7 points
1997: 29 points
1998: 12 points


I actually expected Fleury to lead his team in scoring much more than Marchand. But they both lead their teams in scoring quite a bit with similar gaps over their teammates.

Fleury did not have a lot of help especially in those later years, so who knows how his production would look with similar linemates to Marchand... but then Marchand at times had a humongous point gap over one of Pastrnak and Bergeron, both of whom were better players than the forwards on Fleury's team. (For example, I'd say a 20 point lead over Pastrnak is more impressive than a 29 point lead over Stillman..)

And despite Marchand having the stronger supporting cast throughout their careers playing with Bergeron and Pastrnak, his hart record is still slightly better than Theo's.

But I think the decisive point in Marchand's favour is two way play. Idk what was up with Fleury's 5th place Selke finish, but he never got any votes for the award again

All in all, great poll and as close as 2 players can get. I'm leaning Marchand ever so slightly, but could be convinced otherwise.

Beat me to it

 

[Albatros]

Marchand, I don't think Fleury has a case here. Most generously viewed he wasn't too far off at his best, but I can't see how he'd be ahead.

 

[gritdash60]

Voted Marchand, just objectively better in my opinion. Fleury has a special place in my heart for his stint in Finland though.

A random fact; Theoren Fleury's number in Tappara was 95.7, for the local radio station that broadcasted the games. I think it was really funny, and a lot of ppl here remember him as the 957.

Edit: Possibly the only player ever to play in a pro league with that kind of number?

 

[Evergreen]

Marchand. And I’m one of the people who thinks Theo should be in the HOF.

 

[Connor McConnor]

Team scoring placements shows how dumb this thread is. What is Marchand without playing with Bergeron and then Pasta on his line? He’d be a career 2nd liner if not for them. Theo was a legit star who elevated his team. Easily Theo and I hate the flames