Better contract: Laf or Slaf?

[Grifter3511]

You're not being honest if you don't think his actual game improved and not just usage.

That was the bracketed 'continued player development' part. Yes he has gotten better each year, but I don't think too much about his actual game changed from 2 years ago to last year beyond getting put in a position to be a more offensively competent player (better deployment, better linemates, etc).

 

[Lshap]

There was nothing erratic about Lafreniere's first 3 years. He was drafted on to a team with a strong top 6 so was slotted on the third line playing with fellow rookies and youngsters. Each season, in limited time and almost non existent pp time, Lafreniere put up more points than the year previously. The only change that happened (beyond continued player development) last year is he went from 3rd line to 1st line. The production increased accordingly. The PP time did not change.

The only real difference between these two is Slaf jumped up to 17 minutes and top 6 in year 2 because there was no one in his way. Laf didn't get there until year 4. Top teams with Stanley Cup aspirations have slightly different deployment strategies than bottom feeders.

I'd also point out that in year 2 Lafreniere, in less minutes (4 whole minutes less per game!) and significantly less pp time, scored 19 goals to Slaf's 20. It's not Laf's fault that Kakko was a black hole and couldn't score if his life depended on it.

Even Strength year 2: Lafreniere: 19g, 10a, 29 pts Slafkovsky: 14g, 22a, 36pts

Now look who each played with during their times at even strength and try and tell me that Slafkovsky is much further along (other than in his organization's depth chart) than Lafreniere was at the same time?

Slafkovsky was better than Lafreniere at the same age. That's not a debate. The debate is where both players go from here. You have every right to believe Lafreniere will continue to improve and will outpace Slafkovsky. I believe Slafkovsky's earlier success gives him more time & potential than Lafreniere. Best of luck to both kids.

As to the story behind Lafreniere's first three seasons, his performance dictated his usage, not the other way around. PP time is not a magic coupon for free points.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Slafkovsky was better than Lafreniere at the same age. That's not a debate. The debate is where both players go from here. You have every right to believe Lafreniere will continue to improve and will outpace Slafkovsky. I believe Slafkovsky's earlier success gives him more time & potential than Lafreniere. Best of luck to both kids.

As to the story behind Lafreniere's first three seasons, his performance dictated his usage, not the other way around. PP time is not a magic coupon for free points.

You can’t say all those things as a certainly when they were in different situations. The Habs were one of the worst teams and results didn’t matter his first few seasons. Lafreniere came into the NHL on a competitive team. There’s no way of knowing what would’ve happened in a different situation for both players.

 

[Regal]

As to the story behind Lafreniere's first three seasons, his performance dictated his usage, not the other way around. PP time is not a magic coupon for free points.

I think this is true to some extent, as at some point players will force their way up if they’re good enough, even on good teams, but breaking into an elite PP where all 5 spots are taken by established high end PP players is really tough. PP isn’t a magic coupon but it is a big opportunity. Slaf wouldn’t get PP1 time on NY.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Slafkovsky was better than Lafreniere at the same age. That's not a debate. The debate is where both players go from here. You have every right to believe Lafreniere will continue to improve and will outpace Slafkovsky. I believe Slafkovsky's earlier success gives him more time & potential than Lafreniere. Best of luck to both kids.

As to the story behind Lafreniere's first three seasons, his performance dictated his usage, not the other way around. PP time is not a magic coupon for free points.

I agree with most of what you said. But while his play didn't warrant usage earlier on in his career, it does now and he's still not getting PP time because Lavi doesn't like changing things. We're still a top 10 PP so he will ride the PP1 forever.

 

[Xspyrit]

I don't think anyone has a credible idea of what these players are going to look like in five-ish years.

You don’t think it’s possible that someone has any projection skill?

I guess I was crazy to buy 10K of Erik Karlsson cards in 2009 to make a 30K profit two years later, a profit that would have been much bigger if the market was as crazy as it is today

 

[Cursed Lemon]

You don’t think it’s possible that someone has any projection skill?

I guess I was crazy to buy 10K of Erik Karlsson cards in 2009 to make a 30K profit two years later, a profit that would have been much bigger if the market was as crazy as it is today

Cool, how many Laf cards did you buy

 

[Xspyrit]

Cool, how many Laf cards did you buy

Different era, hype was high on Lafreniere as a 1st OA pick in the NY market, totally different situation than with Karlsson. I think some people actually lost some serious money with him. I haven't been buying cards since, I have played with real estate and crypto instead but projecting NHL players is a bit how I started.

But hey, projecting doesn't exist so maybe it's all in my imagination!

 

[Lshap]

You can’t say all those things as a certainly when they were in different situations. The Habs were one of the worst teams and results didn’t matter his first few seasons. Lafreniere came into the NHL on a competitive team. There’s no way of knowing what would’ve happened in a different situation for both players.

Obviously, nothing's a certainty when we play the 'What-If' game. Rangers were a better team playing a better system, with better defensemen and better possession creating more chances. Those are advantages Lafreniere had, just like you could argue the limited PP space was a disadvantage. In the end, the only certainty is the results staring us in the face.

I think this is true to some extent, as at some point players will force their way up if they’re good enough, even on good teams, but breaking into an elite PP where all 5 spots are taken by established high end PP players is really tough. PP isn’t a magic coupon but it is a big opportunity. Slaf wouldn’t get PP1 time on NY.

I agree with most of what you said. But while his play didn't warrant usage earlier on in his career, it does now and he's still not getting PP time because Lavi doesn't like changing things. We're still a top 10 PP so he will ride the PP1 forever.

Yeah, this is a fair point. I don't see enough Rangers game to know for sure, but last season it looked like the biggest change was in Lafreniere himself. If his current performance is his new-normal, he'll probably push his way onto the PP.

 

[ole ole]

close race!

adjusting for Habs fan overpopulation, laf wins by a mustache hair.

3 cheers for laf!

Adjusting for the Haters, it's more like Habs vote Slaf. Everyone else will vote Laf

 

[redwings86]

Both great. I choose Lafreniere. I vote Lafreniere.