Best top 6: Panthers vs Canucks edition

[Love]

Give Tippett 20 minutes a night including time on the power play and his production would be equal to Garland’s

Garland more than doubled Tippett's production last season. Saying Tippett is equal to Garland is like me saying Hoglander is equal to Huberdeau.

 

[Plural]

It really could go either way. If Barkov and Huberdeau play like last year, and Pettersson doesn't take a step up from '20, then it will very likely be the Panthers. Barkov has never put in that type of overall performance before though, and if he plays like he has in previous years and Pettersson returns to '20 form or above, it very well could push things in the Canucks favour. Huberdeau being an elite player on the 2nd line is still pretty huge though. The Canucks don't have that. But at the same time, I think they have fewer question marks than the Panthers with Verhaeghe, Bennett and Tippett being less established as top 6ers. It'll probably be the Panthers, but I doubt by much. The Canucks top 6 has actually proven themselves to be pretty solid for a couple seasons, it's the bottom 6 and defense that's been terrible.

How come you think that? Barkov was absolutely stellar in 18-19 season where he was clearly much better than Pettersson has ever been and he was battling some injury woes 19-20. When he had almost the same PPG as Pettersson did. Right now, there's no reason to believe Barkov is playing above his normal level. He's superior to Pettersson offensively and defensively.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I think it's close enough that I wouldn't fault anyone for picking either, but I also think folks are sleeping on Bennett. IMO, he'll have a breakout year this year.

 

[Regal]

How come you think that? Barkov was absolutely stellar in 18-19 season where he was clearly much better than Pettersson has ever been and he was battling some injury woes 19-20. When he had almost the same PPG as Pettersson did. Right now, there's no reason to believe Barkov is playing above his normal level. He's superior to Pettersson offensively and defensively.

Barkov's defensive numbers in '19 sucked and he actually had poor defensive results for several years before last year, and even in '19 he had an inflated shooting percentage and played huge minutes. He was always skilled enough to be capable of a season like last year but he never lived up to it before then and he's been one of the most overrated players on here because of it. Pettersson was more efficient in his minutes in '20 than Barkov in '19 and had a greater effect on GF%. It was better than any Barkov season before last year.

 

[Cats2TheCup]

Barkov's defensive numbers in '19 sucked and he actually had poor defensive results for several years before last year, and even in '19 he had an inflated shooting percentage and played huge minutes. He was always skilled enough to be capable of a season like last year but he never lived up to it before then and he's been one of the most overrated players on here because of it. Pettersson was more efficient in his minutes in '20 than Barkov in '19 and had a greater effect on GF%. It was better than any Barkov season before last year.

I see a lot of projection here. Pettersson is without a doubt the most overrated player in the league. They even pinned him up against Barkov in a poll and it was a total catastrophe of infamous hot takes. Guess time will tell!

 

[Regal]

I see a lot of projection here. Pettersson is without a doubt the most overrated player in the league. They even pinned him up against Barkov in a poll and it was a total catastrophe of infamous hot takes. Guess time will tell!

That's funny, because this screams projection to me. I mean, the numbers with Barkov are what they are. He's a tremendously talented player and one of the best in the game when he's at his best, but even if we want to say his numbers have been influenced by the team around him, or that the numbers don't accurately gauge his individual play on his line, the fact is that Barkov's line has never been as successful as it was last year in terms of chance and goal share for whatever reason. Barkov last year had a 58.9CF%, 60.9xGF% and 59.7GF%, and in the 3 seasons prior, he had a 50.6CF%, 49.6xGF%, and 53.5GF%. That's a big jump. And his relative numbers are also much better, so it's not a case of improving with the team. So there's certainly a question whether that will be repeated again, and if we're judging these teams' top 6 those numbers should be some of the biggest factors in that decision, because outplaying and outscoring your competition as much as possible is the biggest influence on team success.

 

[Bertuzzipunch]

I see a lot of projection here. Pettersson is without a doubt the most overrated player in the league. They even pinned him up against Barkov in a poll and it was a total catastrophe of infamous hot takes. Guess time will tell!

Without a doubt hey lmao okay pal

only 22

 

[rotiman187]

Canucks are deeper

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

That's funny, because this screams projection to me. I mean, the numbers with Barkov are what they are. He's a tremendously talented player and one of the best in the game when he's at his best, but even if we want to say his numbers have been influenced by the team around him, or that the numbers don't accurately gauge his individual play on his line, the fact is that Barkov's line has never been as successful as it was last year in terms of chance and goal share for whatever reason. Barkov last year had a 58.9CF%, 60.9xGF% and 59.7GF%, and in the 3 seasons prior, he had a 50.6CF%, 49.6xGF%, and 53.5GF%. That's a big jump. And his relative numbers are also much better, so it's not a case of improving with the team. So there's certainly a question whether that will be repeated again, and if we're judging these teams' top 6 those numbers should be some of the biggest factors in that decision, because outplaying and outscoring your competition as much as possible is the biggest influence on team success.

Can we all agree to chip in and buy Regal a new ENTER key?

 

[Killer Orcas]

Great poll too close to call for myself. Barkov and Hubs are the 2 best but after that Canucks have the deeper top 6.

 

[Connor McConnor]

Canucks top 6 isn’t better than Toronto or Edmonton but delusional Canuck fans think it’s the best in the league lmao.

Star talent matters you can’t just compare the positions 1:1 and tally them up.

 

[TeddyBare]

Panthers for sure.

Remember the Pettersson vs Barkov poll last summer where Barkov got killed- yeah everyone needs to learn not to repeat the same mistake

I see a lot of projection here. Pettersson is without a doubt the most overrated player in the league. They even pinned him up against Barkov in a poll and it was a total catastrophe of infamous hot takes. Guess time will tell!

Enough with this trying to play the victim

Barkov vs Pettersson poll from LAST SUMMER (Barkov wins by a lot)

Barkov vs Pettersson

and look another one (Barkov wins by a lot)

Barkov vs Pettersson

and another one (Barkov wins by a mile)

Better season - Barkov or Pettersson?

 

[Bertuzzipunch]

Canucks top 6 isn’t better than Toronto or Edmonton but delusional Canuck fans think it’s the best in the league lmao.

Star talent matters you can’t just compare the positions 1:1 and tally them up.

Nobody is even talking about edmonton or toronto in this thread.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Barkov and Huberdeau are both better than any of Vancouvers forwards. That alone should win the poll.

 

[Breakers]

Canucks top 6 isn’t better than Toronto or Edmonton but delusional Canuck fans think it’s the best in the league lmao.

Star talent matters you can’t just compare the positions 1:1 and tally them up.

LOLOLOL

they weren’t even mentioned one single time
too funny

But you feel the need to bring in Toronto and Edmonton

 

[jonlin]

That's funny, because this screams projection to me. I mean, the numbers with Barkov are what they are. He's a tremendously talented player and one of the best in the game when he's at his best, but even if we want to say his numbers have been influenced by the team around him, or that the numbers don't accurately gauge his individual play on his line, the fact is that Barkov's line has never been as successful as it was last year in terms of chance and goal share for whatever reason. Barkov last year had a 58.9CF%, 60.9xGF% and 59.7GF%, and in the 3 seasons prior, he had a 50.6CF%, 49.6xGF%, and 53.5GF%. That's a big jump. And his relative numbers are also much better, so it's not a case of improving with the team. So there's certainly a question whether that will be repeated again, and if we're judging these teams' top 6 those numbers should be some of the biggest factors in that decision, because outplaying and outscoring your competition as much as possible is the biggest influence on team success.

I bet it was the combinations of Verhaeghe, Duclair, Vatrano etc. that made Barkov that good? Thoose guys have a history of beeing 1st liners and making players around them better. Good thing Huberdeau didnt play with Barkov 5vs5 last season so Barkov got a chance to be lifted by theese stars.

 

[Honest M]

I see a lot of projection here. Pettersson is without a doubt the most overrated player in the league. They even pinned him up against Barkov in a poll and it was a total catastrophe of infamous hot takes. Guess time will tell!

Barkov now seems to be one of the most overrated players, for years i have seen he is the most under rated and now this ..

IMO the difference EP Barkov isn't much, EP carried nucks in PO last year and have 18p in 17 games. Last season was horrible cause of nucks covid and injurie situations.
In PO Barkov have 11p in 10 games over the last two seasons.

Ten rounds in to next season EP can have 15 point and Barkov 4 and it wouldn't be that big deal. EP would again be named as a top 5 player in the league, the memory are weary short among HF fans.

 

[Connor McConnor]

Nobodys is even talking about edmonton or toronto in this thread.

We JUST had a Florida vs. Toronto poll and Florida won and previous to that Toronto beat Edmonton. So if we use simple logic, that would indicate Vancouver > Toronto > Edmonton if Canuck fans think they are deeper than Florida?

Let me know if I need to simplify this logic even further for you.

 

[bossram]

If you're looking purely at the top-sixes, it's pretty close. I'd give the edge to Florida because Barkov is currently the best individual player of them all.

This is not the question, but the Panthers clearly have an overall better forward corps. Their depth is vastly superior to the Canucks.

 

[Bertuzzipunch]

We JUST had a Florida vs. Toronto poll and Florida won and previous to that Toronto beat Edmonton. So if we use simple logic, that would indicate Vancouver > Toronto > Edmonton if Canuck fans think they are deeper than Florida?

Let me know if I need to simplify this logic even further for you.

Maybe because toronto and edmontons top 6 cant do anything in the playoffs besides having the best couple players in the world and crappy wingers unlike vancouver

 

[Bertuzzipunch]

If you're looking purely at the top-sixes, it's pretty close. I'd give the edge to Florida because Barkov is currently the best individual player of them all.

This is not the question, but the Panthers clearly have an overall better forward corps. Their depth is vastly superior to the Canucks.

Lmao thats funny, better depth hahaha

 

[bossram]

Lmao thats funny, better depth hahaha

I'm a Vancouver fan and am from Vancouver. Yes, Florida absolutely has better depth.

Tanner Pearson and Jason Dickinson...are not that good.

 

[Bertuzzipunch]

I'm a Vancouver fan and am from Vancouver. Yes, Florida absolutely has better depth.

Tanner Pearson and Jason Dickinson...are not that good.

Yeah okay bud

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Enough with this trying to play the victim

Barkov vs Pettersson poll from LAST SUMMER (Barkov wins by a lot)

Barkov vs Pettersson

and look another one (Barkov wins by a lot)

Barkov vs Pettersson

and another one (Barkov wins by a mile)

Better season - Barkov or Pettersson?

Look at that 3rd poll. I was the first one to comment on it and when the poll finished last summer Pettersson was ahead. The poll got revived this off-season after Pettersson had a bad year and Barkov had a good year, and the more recent votes changed the results.


It’s not trying to play the victim. Last summer Barkov lost the poll

 

[TeddyBare]

Look at that 3rd poll. I was the first one to comment on it and when the poll finished last summer Pettersson was ahead. The poll got revived this off-season after Pettersson had a bad year and Barkov had a good year, and the more recent votes changed the results.


It’s not trying to play the victim. Last summer Barkov lost the poll

3 polls THREE SEPERATE WINS, and the one from the summer was a landslide for Barkov saying who you prefer and it wasnt revived

HFboards special, try to appear in the minority to create a narrative that isnt even there.

embarrassing.