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I'm throwing a team out there that only won two playoff games:

LWCRW
ZetterbergDatsyukHolmstrom
ShanahanLangWilliams
SamuelssonDraperYzerman
FranzenClearyMaltby

LDRD
LidstromChelios
SchneiderKronwall
LiljaLebda

G
Legace
Osgood

2005-2006 Detroit Red Wings.

58-16-8 record in the regular season; nine 45+ point scorers (not counting Yzerman who missed time), President's Trophy, 2nd in goals for and 3rd fewest goals again.

Then the first round happened. Though Dwayne Roloson was great for Edmonton, Detroit lost because of its own goaltending.

The Red Wings severely outshot the Oilers (238-155), and Manny Legacy struggled to the tune of an .884 SV%. Unfortunately, Chris Osgood was hurt, so Detroit was stuck riding Legacy despite his struggles. He was clearly in his own head too, telling reporters "I don’t feel too good, to be honest with you. I feel sick" in regards to his post-season struggles.

If Osgood was available and Detroit made it past Edmonton, I think their chances of winning the cup would've been extremely high.

Anytime the early 2000s Red Wings didn't make the Conference Finals I assume it was either

A) Their goaltending

B) The other teams goaltending

C) Some combo of both.

The 2006 team is I believe the only team of the cap era to average a 60% CF over an entire 82 game season.
 
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Anytime the early 2000s Red Wings didn't make the Conference Finals I assume it was either

A) Their goaltending

B) The other teams goaltending

C) Some combo of both.

The 2006 team is I believe the only team of the cap era to average a 60% CF over an entire 82 game season.

I'm not a Wings fans so someone may need to correct me, but other than 2006 the only years I remember their goalies struggling were '99 (Osgood was hurt, Ranford in net) and '01 (Osgood struggled and they turned to Hasek the following year).

Legacy was truly horrible though.
 
What was the Colorado team with Kariya and Selanne?
That team was always better on paper than in reality. Between injuries and chemistry reasons, it never really fully clicked the way it should have. They didn't even win their division (albeit, only one point behind Vancouver). Steve Konowalchuk ended up with more points than either Kariya or Selanne (and, as a Caps fan, I love Kono - but that ain't a sign that things are going well).

Also, it was the first season after Roy retired. As good as Aebischer was (granted, in the peak of the dead puck era), he had big shoes to fill.
 
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1986 Oilers. Loaded roster like all their other 80's teams. Only season where they didn't win between 1984-1988

1993 Penguins. They already won two Cups and had the best player in the world. Won the Presidents trophy.

There's many other teams but these are the two best post-expansion teams. You could throw the 1971 Bruins or Blackhawks in there also.

Anytime the early 2000s Red Wings didn't make the Conference Finals I assume it was either

A) Their goaltending

B) The other teams goaltending

C) Some combo of both.

The 2006 team is I believe the only team of the cap era to average a 60% CF over an entire 82 game season.
If your team had a hot goalie and a roster full of no-name jobbers, you were a prime candidate to beat Detroit from 2003-2006.
 
A team people often overlook are the early 2000s Stars. They went to back to back finals and then in 99 and 2000 and then would run into the precap Avs or Wings every year and get murked by a team made up of 10 future Hall of Famers.
Dallas beat Colorado in both 1999 and 2000 in the Conference Finals. They faced Detroit once in 1998 and lost. They lost to Edmonton in 1997. In 2000, they lost to a stacked Devils team. The 2000 Stars weren't as good as the 1999 version, but I agree they deserve honorable mention. By 2001, though, they were done.
 
Lol oh my God, still doing this?

Which of the games the Bruins won would the referees have helped? They got demolished in every game they lost.

And for the record, I do agree that the 11 Canucks are a good answer to this question.

I'm not one of those people that's going to say the only reason the Canucks didn't win the Cup that year was because of the refs and the league.
Hamhuis getting hurt going for the hip check on Lucic and injuring his ribs was the beginning of the end. Couple that with major breakdowns where the goals came in bunches, and there isn't much you can do.

That being said, the amount of people who pretend some shady stuff didn't happen boggles my mind.

Campbell took a two handed baseball swing at the back of Bieksa's legs 100ft from the play and never received a suspension. While his father was in charge of handing out discipline. Thats something that cannot be argued.

Let's not forget Mason Raymond had his back broken in game 6 by Boychuk and that somehow gets swept under the rug. Imagine the backlash today.
 
Anytime the early 2000s Red Wings didn't make the Conference Finals I assume it was either

A) Their goaltending

B) The other teams goaltending

C) Some combo of both.

The 2006 team is I believe the only team of the cap era to average a 60% CF over an entire 82 game season.
They didn't start tracking advanced stats until 2007-08. I think you're referring to the 08 wings - they had by far the best cf% since it's been tracked, 59% I believe.
 
Best that I've seen were the 93 penguins and 96 red wings. So dominant it was utterly shocking they didn't win those years. Two best regular season records of the 90s and to this day they still own the win streak record (17 by the pens) and the total wins record (62 by the wings).
 
I'm throwing a team out there that only won two playoff games:

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[TR]
[TH]LW[/TH]
[TH]C[/TH]
[TH]RW[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Zetterberg[/TD]
[TD]Datsyuk[/TD]
[TD]Holmstrom[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Shanahan[/TD]
[TD]Lang[/TD]
[TD]Williams[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Samuelsson[/TD]
[TD]Draper[/TD]
[TD]Yzerman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Franzen[/TD]
[TD]Cleary[/TD]
[TD]Maltby[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

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[TR]
[TH]LD[/TH]
[TH]RD[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lidstrom[/TD]
[TD]Chelios[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Schneider[/TD]
[TD]Kronwall[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lilja[/TD]
[TD]Lebda[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TH]G[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Legace[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Osgood[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

2005-2006 Detroit Red Wings.

58-16-8 record in the regular season; nine 45+ point scorers (not counting Yzerman who missed time), President's Trophy, 2nd in goals for and 3rd fewest goals again.

Then the first round happened. Though Dwayne Roloson was great for Edmonton, Detroit lost because of its own goaltending.

The Red Wings severely outshot the Oilers (238-155), and Manny Legacy struggled to the tune of an .884 SV%. Unfortunately, Chris Osgood was hurt, so Detroit was stuck riding Legacy despite his struggles. He was clearly in his own head too, telling reporters "I don’t feel too good, to be honest with you. I feel sick" in regards to his post-season struggles.

If Osgood was available and Detroit made it past Edmonton, I think their chances of winning the cup would've been extremely high.
Draper played on the top line with Datsyuk/Shanahan. Not hard to figure out why that didn't work. Yzerman played with Lang/Williams. Zetterberg with Samuelsson/Holmstrom. Franzen centered the 4th line with Maltby/Cleary.

The defense was unfortunately different than your pairings. Lidstrom got saddled with Lilja and they were terrible together. I don't remember how the other 4 defensemen were paired.

Legace was indeed awful. I forgot Osgood was even on the team. His regular season numbers were nothing special. I forgot why he wasn't an option in the playoffs.

In hindsight the 2006 loss looks better than 2003/2004. All three years, they lost to a team who advanced to SCF, only to lose in game 7 on the road. The 2003 sweep is the most embarrassing I'd say. All the losses hurt in different ways.
 
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I dunno about getting demolished; they still lose IMO but the 93 Habs were not exactly a powerhouse. They got extremely lucky and avoided every single good team in the playoffs once they got past Quebec.

They didn't face a single 90 point team in the playoffs past round 2. The fact they avoided the division champs (Boston), the president trophy winners in Pittsburgh and any remotely good team from the Campbell conference played a large role in getting their Cup. And I fully acknowledge the Leafs themselves got lucky to draw the Blues and Kings that year.
They aren’t beating the Vezina and Conn Smythe goalie that year.
 
Dallas beat Colorado in both 1999 and 2000 in the Conference Finals. They faced Detroit once in 1998 and lost. They lost to Edmonton in 1997. In 2000, they lost to a stacked Devils team. The 2000 Stars weren't as good as the 1999 version, but I agree they deserve honorable mention. By 2001, though, they were done.

The 2002-03 Stars were pretty solid. #1 seed in the West, #6 in GF, #3 in GA. They spent big on Bill Guerin in the summer of 2002 to give them some much needed scoring after they let Brett Hull leave in 2001. They added Philippe Boucher who finally broke through the previous season for LA.

They had some bad luck with Bill Guerin and Pierre Turgeon getting hurt late in the regular season. They both returned to play in a handful of playoff games but they weren't close to 100%.

Estimate of their lines if they had been healthy:

Lehtinen-Modano-Guerin
Morrow-Arnott-Barnes
Dahlen-Turgeon-Young
Muller-Kapanen-DiMaio/Lemieux

Sydor-Zubov
Hatcher-Boucher
Matvichuk-Robidas

Turco-Tugnutt


What was the Colorado team with Kariya and Selanne?

Definitely a strange team. As another poster said, looked more fun on paper than it was in actuality. Selanne tried to play with a bad knee; I think most people credit the lockout with giving Selanne the time off that he needed to recuperate. Kariya only played in one playoff game.

After Bourque retired, Pierre Lacroix traded Chris Drury for Derek Morris. But Morris was a weird fit as another RHD with Blake/Foote. At the 2004 deadline, Morris was swapped for Gratton/Vaananen.

But on paper, their post-deadline lines could have looked something like:

Tanguay-Sakic-Hejduk
Kariya-Forsberg-Selanne
Konowalchuk-Gratton-Svatos
Barnaby-Nikolishin-Hinote

Liles-Blake
Skrastins-Foote
Vaananen-Boughner/Sauer

Aebischer-Salo
 
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Sabres had: dont know the lines exact but something like:

Hecht Briere zubrus
Vanek Drury Afinogenov
Kotalik Roy Pominville dont know if Tim connolly player middle and Briere wing
Paille Gaustad Stafford
They had more forwards mair macharthur Peters kaleta Peters

Good d

Lydman Tallinder
Campbell Numminen
Spacek kalinin
 
The 2011 Canucks we're 1st in GF and 1st in GA. 1st in PP% and 1st in PK%. Three HHOFs plus a Selke winning 2nd line centre who could score 30 goals all in their primes.

They were screwed by the league and the referees.
They were screwed by injuries and a Bruins team that figured out how to play them after a couple games (including moving Chara back to the point on the PP).
 
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The 2002-03 Stars were pretty solid. #1 seed in the West, #6 in GF, #3 in GA. They spent big on Bill Guerin in the summer of 2002 to give them some much needed scoring after they let Brett Hull leave in 2001. They added Philippe Boucher who finally broke through the previous season for LA.

They had some bad luck with Bill Guerin and Pierre Turgeon getting hurt late in the regular season. They both returned to play in a handful of playoff games but they weren't close to 100%.

Estimate of their lines if they had been healthy:

Lehtinen-Modano-Guerin
Morrow-Arnott-Barnes
Dahlen-Turgeon-Young
Muller-Kapanen-DiMaio/Lemieux

Sydor-Zubov
Hatcher-Boucher
Matvichuk-Robidas

Turco-Tugnutt




Definitely a strange team. As another poster said, looked more fun on paper than it was in actuality. Selanne tried to play with a bad knee; I think most people credit the lockout with giving Selanne the time off that he needed to recuperate. Kariya only played in one playoff game.

After Bourque retired, Pierre Lacroix traded Chris Drury for Derek Morris. But Morris was a weird fit as another RHD with Blake/Foote. At the 2004 deadline, Morris was swapped for Gratton/Vaananen.

But on paper, their post-deadline lines could have looked something like:

Tanguay-Sakic-Hejduk
Kariya-Forsberg-Selanne
Konowalchuk-Gratton-Svatos
Barnaby-Nikolishin-Hinote

Liles-Blake
Skrastins-Foote
Vaananen-Boughner/Sauer

Aebischer-Salo
True. I forgot about the 2003 team. Very strong lineup though I was never sold on Turco in big games. He was no Belfour.
 
The 2002-03 Stars were pretty solid. #1 seed in the West, #6 in GF, #3 in GA. They spent big on Bill Guerin in the summer of 2002 to give them some much needed scoring after they let Brett Hull leave in 2001. They added Philippe Boucher who finally broke through the previous season for LA.

They had some bad luck with Bill Guerin and Pierre Turgeon getting hurt late in the regular season. They both returned to play in a handful of playoff games but they weren't close to 100%.

Estimate of their lines if they had been healthy:

Lehtinen-Modano-Guerin
Morrow-Arnott-Barnes
Dahlen-Turgeon-Young
Muller-Kapanen-DiMaio/Lemieux

Sydor-Zubov
Hatcher-Boucher
Matvichuk-Robidas

Turco-Tugnutt




Definitely a strange team. As another poster said, looked more fun on paper than it was in actuality. Selanne tried to play with a bad knee; I think most people credit the lockout with giving Selanne the time off that he needed to recuperate. Kariya only played in one playoff game.

After Bourque retired, Pierre Lacroix traded Chris Drury for Derek Morris. But Morris was a weird fit as another RHD with Blake/Foote. At the 2004 deadline, Morris was swapped for Gratton/Vaananen.

But on paper, their post-deadline lines could have looked something like:

Tanguay-Sakic-Hejduk
Kariya-Forsberg-Selanne
Konowalchuk-Gratton-Svatos
Barnaby-Nikolishin-Hinote

Liles-Blake
Skrastins-Foote
Vaananen-Boughner/Sauer

Aebischer-Salo
Sometimes stacking team does not work because you need a little bit of different characters to make it work. Look at the 2001 Avs team had quite a few different personalities who did whatever it took to win.
 
1993 Pens. The greatest upset (arguably) in NHL history is still the Isles without Pierre Turgeon winning vs the Pens that had every single important position filled by either a HOF or an all star. Coach, 1C, 2C, 3C, 1LW, 1RW, 1LW, 2RW, 1G, 1-2D. Ridiculous nauseating lineup. They could even knock your head off if that’s the game you wanted to play. Go look at the roster, they even had Straka toiling on the fourth line…

I was dancing screaming when «Habs» legend David Volek scored the winning OT goal to eliminate the Pens. No way the Habs beat the Pens.
 
Sometimes stacking team does not work because you need a little bit of different characters to make it work. Look at the 2001 Avs team had quite a few different personalities who did whatever it took to win.

Their D was a bit more well-constructed with Bourque in 2001. Back in those days, it wasn't as strict lefty-righty as it is today so it didn't seem as odd when they acquired Derek Morris to be his replacement for their "big 3" on defense. But I think they realized it was tough to force Morris or Blake to play on the left.

I suppose they did miss Chris Drury. Lacroix maybe gambled on highly touted center prospect Vaclav Nedorost (#4 on THN's 2002 Future Watch) being NHL ready.
 

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