Best sniper + playmaker

[benfranklin]

Im sure we can come up with some sort of qualification process since a "snipe" is sortof an opinion. Is it a goal or is it a goal into a small, often top shelf window? Or maybe a one timer?

40 goals, 60 assists in a season to even be considered? So last season:

MacKinnon
Panarin
Pastrnak
Kucherov
Rantanen
Draisaitl

Just missing:
Matthews (38 assists)
Kaprisov (50 assists)
McDavid (32 goals)
Crosby (52 assists)
Nylander (58 assists)
Miller (37 goals)
M Tkachuk (26 goals)
Thomas (26 goals)

Dmen who really dont qualify because of the free PP points, but Id argue Makar and Josi have the sniper talent.

Q Hughes (17 goals)
Makar (21 goals)
Bouchard (18 goals)
Hedman (13 goals)
Josi (23 goals)
Dobson (10 goals)

 

[BertMcDrai]

This is shouting out loud *Draisaitl*...great sniper and playmaker.

Lots of other good options but this is the safest bet for me.

 

[Crow]

I’d take pasta and drai over everyone else. The rest aren’t sniper enough for me or don’t get enough assists. Maybe Panarin 3rd.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Drai
Panarin
Pasta
MacKinnon
Rantanen

Im sure we can come up with some sort of qualification process since a "snipe" is sortof an opinion. Is it a goal or is it a goal into a small, often top shelf window? Or maybe a one timer?

40 goals, 60 assists in a season to even be considered? So last season:

MacKinnon
Panarin
Pastrnak
Kucherov
Rantanen
Draisaitl

Just missing:
Matthews (38 assists)
Kaprisov (50 assists)
McDavid (32 goals)
Crosby (52 assists)
Nylander (58 assists)
Miller (37 goals)
M Tkachuk (26 goals)
Thomas (26 goals)

Dmen who really dont qualify because of the free PP points, but Id argue Makar and Josi have the sniper talent.

Q Hughes (17 goals)
Makar (21 goals)
Bouchard (18 goals)
Hedman (13 goals)
Josi (23 goals)
Dobson (10 goals)

Fox isn’t a sniper in the sense that his shot isn’t a laser but he did have 17 goals last season (in 72 games, easily could have surpassed 20)

 

[benfranklin]

Drai
Panarin
Pasta
MacKinnon
Rantanen


Fox isn’t a sniper in the sense that his shot isn’t a laser but he did have 17 goals last season (in 72 games, easily could have surpassed 20)

True. He missed my 60 assist threshold that I was gong off of. The others hit either the 40+ goals or 60+ assists.

 

[benfranklin]

I’d take pasta and drai over everyone else. The rest aren’t sniper enough for me or don’t get enough assists. Maybe Panarin 3rd.

You need to watch more Rantanen.

 

[ESH]

When I think of sniper and excellent passer, MacKinnon immediately comes to mind.

Draisaitl and Rantanen both have deadly one timers and can dish it.
Panarin
Eichel
Makar
Crosby
Kucherov
Malkin, Stamkos and Kane a few years back.

Pasta for sniper, but misses on the playmaking.

Honestly a pretty short list to be elite at both. Even Jagr back in the day, his one timer was non exisitent. Similar to McDavid now.


"Sniper" doesnt come to mind. Hes a dangler if anything. I can probaby count on one hand the amount of McDavid one timer goals I've seen. Same with Hymand and Reinhart. Tons of goals, not many "snipes".

Pastrnak was top-10 in assists last year I think he qualifies

I think someone like Kaprizov definitely fits this thread too

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

True. He missed my 60 assist threshold that I was gong off of. The others hit either the 40+ goals or 60+ assists.

True. I hate using the “pace” argument but he did hit 60+ the prior 2 seasons so he was probably a good bet to reach it if it wasn’t for the missed games .


This season is a different story

 

[Crow]

You need to watch more Rantanen.

You are right, actually. I don’t feel like I’ve seen that much of him over the years even though he’s in the central. I think it’s just happenstance or that he happens to have an off night when I do. I certainly watch enough hockey.

 

[benfranklin]

You are right, actually. I don’t feel like I’ve seen that much of him over the years even though he’s in the central. I think it’s just happenstance or that he happens to have an off night when I do. I certainly watch enough hockey.

Im biased, but I think he is on par with Draisatil or just a smidge under. Both play very similar games parked waiting for McDavid/MacKinnon to feed them one timers, but if they have the puck themselves, especially behind the net, the vision is unreal.

Pastrnak was top-10 in assists last year I think he qualifies

I think someone like Kaprizov definitely fits this thread too

I agree. Using the 40g 60g entrance fee, its an exclusive list.

MacKinnon
Panarin
Pastrnak
Kucherov
Rantanen
Draisaitl

 

[BigEezyE22]

Not enough McDavid in this thread. He scored 64 goals because he felt like it.

3 years ago?

I think a few peeps need to refresh their browsers more often.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Ovechkin and Strome are like bread and butter.

 

[Machinehead]

3 years ago?

I think a few peeps need to refresh their browsers more often.

The season I'm referring to ended 19 months ago. That has to be the most disingenuous representation of "3 years" I've ever seen.

 

[benfranklin]

The season I'm referring to ended 19 months ago. That has to be the most disingenuous representation of "3 years" I've ever seen.

32 last season. 34-35 if you want to go off 82 game pace. 40 I think is a pretty safe minimum consensus for elite goal scorers in this league. 50 maybe even. Obviously he went the passing route and skill wise, he's a lock for 40 every season, but he didnt hit it last season and even missed it in 3 other seasons. That screams playmaker to me more than sniper.

64 because "he felt like it" isn't really fair to how difficult the feat is for him and any other player. He will likely never sniff it again.

 

[Machinehead]

32 last season. 34-35 if you want to go off 82 game pace. 40 I think is a pretty safe minimum consensus for elite goal scorers in this league. 50 maybe even. Obviously he went the passing route and skill wise, he's a lock for 40 every season, but he didnt hit it last season and even missed it in 3 other seasons. That screams playmaker to me more than sniper.

64 because "he felt like it" isn't really fair to how difficult the feat is for him and any other player. He will likely never sniff it again.

He went into that season saying he wanted to focus more on shooting and he scored 64 goals. He's that caliber of player where he can if he wants to.

His tendency is more of a playmaker, I'll agree with that, but the ability is there.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Pasta is an underrated passer. It's not his fault that his linemates can't finish. Matthews is also pretty underrated as a passer, there's just no pure shooter on his line.

 

[Breakers]

I’ve never seen a cross ice pass as good as Kucherov’s

I have no idea how he finds seams

 

[Video Nasty]

Draisaitl.

He has six consecutive 50+ assist seasons, during which he has potted at least 40 goals five times, with the 56 game season the only thing keeping him from six straight there as well.

To dig in deeper, three of those are 50+ goals and three are 65+ assists. He’ll likely clear 50-50 again this season.

Only eight players in league history have more seasons with 50 goals and 50 assists in the same season. Only Gretzky, Bossy, Lemieux, Dionne, Lafleur, Yzerman, Esposito, and Kurri are ahead of him.

He has as many as the other top choices mentioned in this thread—MacKinnon, Panarin, Pasta, Kucherov, Matthews, and Rantanen—combined.

It’s clearly him.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

The season I'm referring to ended 19 months ago. That has to be the most disingenuous representation of "3 years" I've ever seen.

I think he was referencing the fact that the topic and posts you were questioning were from over 3 years ago. Younger McDavid was not known for shooting at all, the topic itself was likely created as a way to discuss good players other than McDavid.

In the modern game, its hard to not stick with Drai and Kuch, but Kaprizov has joined their ranks too IMO, a true threat from anywhere in the O Zone via shot or pass.