Best Slap Shot

[pappyline]

Well here's Hull and this isnt even the famous topless one of him bailing hay where he looks like Mr. Universe

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You tell me, could this guy fire a pretty hard slap shot?

Here is the famous topless one.

 

[Zine]

Here is the famous topless one.

He was ripped for his time, but nothing too special for a modern day athlete.

If those archived articles are correct it pretty much validates this because 15.5 inch biceps aren't anything too impressive today.
Tennis players Murray and Nadal are around 19-20 inch bicepts. Tons of baseball and football players easily 20'. I'd say A LOT of hockey players have way bigger guns than 15.5 inches.

 

[Dark Shadows]

He was ripped for his time, but nothing too special for a modern day athlete.

If those archived articles are correct it pretty much validates this because 15.5 inch biceps aren't anything too impressive today.
Tennis players Murray and Nadal are around 19-20 inch bicepts. Tons of baseball and football players easily 20'. I'd say A LOT of hockey players have way bigger guns than 15.5 inches.

Yet despite how "Ripped" modern athletes are, Hull could still outskate all of them from end to end and ended up in the guinees book.

 

[Zine]

Yet despite how "Ripped" modern athletes are, Hull could still outskate all of them from end to end and ended up in the guinees book.

Right, but what does that have to do with shot speed (topic of thread)?

 

[Dark Shadows]

Right, but what does that have to do with shot speed (topic of thread)?

The fact that if his speed was still better than Modern athletes with their much better skates and lighter gear, despite their modern advantages of training regimens and size, etc, then its not far fetched to think his shot would be better too.

 

[SyracuseBulldogs*]

1) Remind me when Hull skated against modern hockey players.

Is it really saying much when you aren't much bigger then Bure?

 

[Zine]

The fact that if his speed was still better than Modern athletes with their much better skates and lighter gear, despite their modern advantages of training regimens and size, etc, then its not far fetched to think his shot would be better too.

Well, let's look at this realistically.

It's not suprising that he has the fastest recorded skating time.....he fits the bill physically. At 5-10 194 the Hull of the 1960's would be a burner in today's game; much moreso than a power/strength guy. Although I'm not sure how much faster he'd be today. I think modern skates give players an advantage in mobility and lateral movement much more than it does straight ahead speed.

However, a player who's 5-10 194 with average dimensions is not going to shoot a puck 15% faster than the hardest shots of today......imo, it's just absurd to think so.
You do realize Hull was Slava Kozlov's size.

 

[foame]

Well, let's look at this realistically.

It's not suprising that he has the fastest recorded skating time.....he fits the bill physically. At 5-10 194 the Hull of the 1960's would be a burner in today's game; much moreso than a power/strength guy. Although I'm not sure how much faster he'd be today. I think modern skates give players an advantage in mobility and lateral movement much more than it does straight ahead speed.

However, a player who's 5-10 194 with average dimensions is not going to shoot a puck 15% faster than the hardest shots of today......imo, it's just absurd to think so.
You do realize Hull was Slava Kozlov's size.

I agree.

There are a number of factors that makes Hulls record incomparable to todays records (not the same equipment or speedmeasuring-technique).

Compare it to record of the fastest tennis serve: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/archive/index.php/t-307.html

 

[revolverjgw]

The 118mph slapshot has to be one of the zaniest hockey myths ever. It's not even remotely believable.

 

[Topgoon]

Ah, but weight and size are only partial in determining strength, which in turn is only one factor in determining the speed of a slap shot.

Strength is determined not only by weight but muscle density, fiber type (fast or slow twitch), and many other factors that may allow Hull to generate tremendous bursts of strength (i.e. taking a shot or explosive skating strides). Secondly, slap shots use a whole serie of muscle groups - suggesting that Hull's powerful shot may have been a result of the strength of Hull's shoulders, hips, or trunks, etc.

Technique and stick curve can also contribute increased velocity. It is plausible that no one has learned to imitate Hull's shooting technique as to this day. Afterall, an athletic technique is controlled by your unconsious mind, making it difficult to condition to perfectly imitate someone else's technique.

Now does this proves that Hull produced 118 mph slapshots? No idea. We probably should send this to mythbusters or something...

 

[Jarick]

Even if the radar gun were off by 10 mph, that'd still be a 108 mph slap shot, 95 mph wrist shot, and 85 mph backhand, which are impressive but realistic.

As for the weight, I don't see anything in the NHL rules about weight limits. 13 oz = 368 grams, which is lighter than the lightest composite stick on the market today (roughly 395 grams). 20 oz = 566 grams, which is about the same as cheap heavy composites or very light weight wood sticks.

And the biceps, those are a pretty good size, but I think you'd be looking at his leg and core strength rather than biceps for the hard shot.

 

[bunjay]

i dont see what the size of your biceps has to do with shooting a puck. the force is created mostly from the abdominals and obliques downwards, much like a punch by a professional fighter. take a look at kovalchuk's girly arms sometime.

 

[pvr]

Pic of Bobby Hull baling hay. Not really the one I remember, which shows him younger and shirtless, muscles rippling like a body builder on show. Even still you can tell that he's rock solid. Note the index finger of his right hand. He couldn't flex it from very early on in his career (must have had the joint fused). I have a signed Northland stick of his, and it's shaved at the top quite a bit to accomodate his unbending finger.

Edit: Just saw the one I remember in pappyline's post, #51.

 

[pvr]

1) Remind me when Hull skated against modern hockey players.

Is it really saying much when you aren't much bigger then Bure?

Those rounded pecs of Bure look eerily similar to those of steroid users....like Alex Rodriguez.

 

[eric71*]

MacInnis, Im pretty sure he could curve that rocket too. For the short time I've watched Gretzky play though, I seen some absolute snipes by him

 

[Topgoon]

i dont see what the size of your biceps has to do with shooting a puck. the force is created mostly from the abdominals and obliques downwards, much like a punch by a professional fighter. take a look at kovalchuk's girly arms sometime.

Agreed.

However, I always thought Kovalchuk had disgustingly large forearms (I recall seeing a pic posted in one of those "best wrist shot" threads). Makes sense, given how the variety of shots the guy can employ.

 

[190Octane]

I'm wondering where they are doing these measurements and how they are doing them. Is the bicep flexed when getting that 15.5 or is the arm straight and not flexed? Is the forearm measured up by the elbow or the middle of the wrist? If it's flexed and in the middle of the wrist, my arms are still only one inch smaller than Hull's... I don't think I'm shooting 118 mph or even 100 mph with a roller hockey puck.

 

[bunjay]

Those rounded pecs of Bure look eerily similar to those of steroid users....like Alex Rodriguez.

or anybody who works out regularly.


lol@thinking developed pectoral muscles is a sign of steroid use.

it's actually a sign of doing many many reps of dumbbell chestpress/benchpress/flies/pushups, and to a lesser extent genetics.

 

[pvr]

or anybody who works out regularly.


lol@thinking developed pectoral muscles is a sign of steroid use.

it's actually a sign of doing many many reps of dumbbell chestpress/benchpress/flies/pushups, and to a lesser extent genetics.

Actually, the "roundedness" is more characteristic of steroid use, whereas typical pectoralis major muscle development is flatter and more defined.

 

[Got One Cup]

MacInnis had not only the best slap shot I have ever seen but he could put it on someone stick for a tip in almost every time. I remember him breaking a goalies hand during a game and of course he scored on Osgood from the red line during the playoffs. I can't wait to see how hard EJ's is going to be in a few yrs. MacInnis is his personal coach and is letting him live in his house.

 

[Axxellien]

slapshot:

Bobby Hull?? Are You kidding? It was decapitation time!! Ask the poor Goalies! ...Bower, Simmons, Bob Perrault, Sawchuck..A mass conversion to the mask was made in record time!! Bobby Hull's ballistics were devastating!!.. Force Majeure!

 

[Axxellien]

For better or worse, the advent of Bobby Hull's slapshot changed the game as surely as Babe Ruth's Home Runs!! Tradionalists decried the loss of control & precision afforded by the snapshot & backhand...the debate goes on today.....

 

[bunjay]

Actually, the "roundedness" is more characteristic of steroid use, whereas typical pectoralis major muscle development is flatter and more defined.

shape of a muscle is determined by genetics. steroids dont give youy magically different muscles. they allow you to exceed your genetic limit if you are capable of pushing yourself hard enough. more of the same. strength training and low body fat are what give you the 'roundedness.'


the sort of steroids you're thinking about dont even benefit an NHL level hockey player. faster recovery time (example: cortizone) is what an NHL player wants, not huge and heavy muscles.