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Best Rangers coach since Keenan?

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Who was our best coach since '94?

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SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
He also got Jagr who was prone to bouts of indifference to play with passion and purpose night in and night out.

The biggest thing was he brought a level of pride back to the NYR after years of being everything ranging for a country club to a joke.
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I mean, no doubt that Renney got more than the sum of its parts out of the roster, but using Jagr as an example of something that made his job even more difficult is just wrong.

Jagr and Lundqvist are the primary reasons that those teams had success.
 
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Renney made Jagr and the vets feel comfortable and gave everyone a definitive job on those rosters.

Jagr at that time wasn't this living legend beloved around the league. He was considered past his prime and a moody/headcase coach killer which a lot of was undeserved. He was going to be a HOFer based on his prior body of work but he never wanted to go to DC, he had some personal problems which have been documented, and he was going through a very nasty breakup before the lockout. The best thing for him was going to Olmsk and getting away from the spotlight/media/tabloids. In NY he came back with a fresh attitude and Renney let him be himself.
 
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To me it's Torts. He did something that many coaches couldn't do in NY. That is build a culture of winning as an expectation.

AV had deeper playoff success, but that window was only opened by Torts, but also created by him.

The 2012 Rangers team is my favorite of all time. You had guys play for one another and give it there all.

If you look at the roster, it was good enough to be a 6th or 7th seed, but it was so much more than the sum of it's parts.

I never heard the garden as loud for regular season games as I did that season. That team had an identity.
 
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Harbour Dog said:
I mean, no doubt that Renney got more than the sum of its parts out of the roster, but using Jagr as an example of something that made his job even more difficult is just wrong.

Jagr and Lundqvist are the primary reasons that those teams had success.
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Look back at the way he played in a Washington.
 
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Quite the reach with nothing to back it up that Renney turned Jagr mood around. Maybe he didnt like DC? Maybe he wanted a fresh start somewhere else and changed his demeanor on his own when he came to NY? The fact that he has somehow has 6 votes shows over 2 LEGIT NHL coaches shows he's grossly overrated by some.

There is a reason why he only lasted 3 years here, 2 years in EDM, and then never sniffed another head coaching job in the big leagues.

But he was a nice guy. Torts was a meanie and AV chewed too much gum.
 
20 people so far have embarrassed themselves by picking AV who failed utterly and completely to win it all with a much better roster than any other coach on this list. Not only did he fail utterly and completely to win it all, he also failed to hold multiple series and game leads with a team that had previously set records for defending leads. Actually it might only be game leads he blew but he blew so many of them while in PO series' that it's pretty easy to confuse the two. As multiple series unfolded c ountless people clearly demonstrated the flaws in his "coaching" and how they would lead to failure. They were right. He was the direct cause of two losses in the cup finals. 3 wins we should have had in that series. Instead we ended up with 1 and a game 5 exit. Awesome. I'm sick of hearing about how he went "deeper" in the PO's. Please. His team and his VETERANS carried him deeper despite his best efforts to f***ing choke the team out of the PO's in the 2nd round. Then they went up against a cupcake in the ECF after Price got injured

He actively hurt the team's ability to win with his deployment and "strategies". He took a squad that had excelled as one of the top defenses in the league and turned it into a joke. A joke he proved utterly incapable of fixing when given years to adjust to his personnel.

But since he had one of the best NYR teams of all time in front of him, fans give him credit bc they have no clue how to look beyond wins.

He was Jon Voight in varsity blues. He got the stacked rosters every year. Soon as he got the boot, the team won with a rookie coach anyway(technically a rookie coach...it was a player who took over coaching bc apparently that school had no offensive coordinators or assistant coaches lol. While irl compare AV's last year to a rookie Quinn. Quinn did way more while inheriting way less than Av ever had)

Torts was the best of a bad list. Outside of Renney's 05 team when Jagr turned into a monster and Hank debuted, no coach on this list even remotely can claim that they achieved more with less than Torts.

You know what happened when AV inherited crap teams? They played like absolute dog shit. His "strategies" actively hurt the values of multiple players. f*** Av. He was AWFUL. He directly cost us at least one cup. He cost us an unfathomable number of games. He cost us multiple playoff series. I just punched myself in the face. Why? Because I jokingly just imagined a world where I could vote for that mongrel idiot as "the best"
 
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shinchanuuhh said:
20 people so far have embarrassed themselves by picking AV who failed utterly and completely to win it all with a much better roster than any other coach on this list. Not only did he fail utterly and completely to win it all, he also failed to hold multiple series and game leads with a team that had previously set records for defending leads. Actually it might only be game leads he blew but he blew so many of them while in PO series' that it's pretty easy to confuse the two. As multiple series unfolded c ountless people clearly demonstrated the flaws in his "coaching" and how they would lead to failure. They were right. He was the direct cause of two losses in the cup finals. 3 wins we should have had in that series. Instead we ended up with 1 and a game 5 exit. Awesome. I'm sick of hearing about how he went "deeper" in the PO's. Please. His team and his VETERANS carried him deeper despite his best efforts to ****ing choke the team out of the PO's in the 2nd round. Then they went up against a cupcake in the ECF after Price got injured

He actively hurt the team's ability to win with his deployment and "strategies". He took a squad that had excelled as one of the top defenses in the league and turned it into a joke. A joke he proved utterly incapable of fixing when given years to adjust to his personnel.

But since he had one of the best NYR teams of all time in front of him, fans give him credit bc they have no clue how to look beyond wins.

He was Jon Voight in varsity blues. He got the stacked rosters every year. Soon as he got the boot, the team won with a rookie coach anyway(technically a rookie coach...it was a player who took over coaching bc apparently that school had no offensive coordinators or assistant coaches lol. While irl compare AV's last year to a rookie Quinn. Quinn did way more while inheriting way less than Av ever had)

Torts was the best of a bad list. Outside of Renney's 05 team when Jagr turned into a monster and Hank debuted, no coach on this list even remotely can claim that they achieved more with less than Torts.

You know what happened when AV inherited crap teams? They played like absolute dog ****. His "strategies" actively hurt the values of multiple players. **** Av. He was AWFUL. He directly cost us at least one cup. He cost us an unfathomable number of games. He cost us multiple playoff series. I just punched myself in the face. Why? Because I jokingly just imagined a world where I could vote for that mongrel idiot as "the best"
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What if we swapped Rick Nash and Justin Williams?
 
Inferno said:
Imho he sucked..and he rode what torts built before him to his success...that and a generational goalie. But we'll never convince each other that the other is right so.. .Let's agree to disagree!
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Came here to say this. Rangers got softer each year under AV. Torts by a mile.
 
Captain Monglobster said:
Came here to say this. Rangers got softer each year under AV. Torts by a mile.
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Definitely agree with this, and I think it's also one of the reason why the team was easier to play against. Especially in the playoffs, the Torts type of cycling / grinding is a key aspect to wear the opponent down when the game gets tighter. As the team started to move out of its Cup Contender window in 2015-16, you could see we were trying to play the same game with less talent, and not enough of a grinding game for the playoffs.
 
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The Rangers became unbearable/unwatchable under both Torts and AV. People seem to have forgotten the frequency in which we’d get pinned in our own end and just bombarded for two minutes towards the end of Torts’ tenure.

Maybe I’d lean in favor of Torts because we had a true identity under him, but it’s really neck and neck.
 
I don’t agree with the Torts set up the table for AV argument.

There are a number of guys who AV got significantly more out of than Torts, and not just because Torts was just so damn wonderful at development. And no, they wouldn’t have become those players under Torts.

So no, I don’t believe Torts develops Zucc, Kreider, Miller, etc. as we know. And no, I don’t believe he gets more out of Nash, or gets career years out of Brassard, or gives McD the leash to get to that 40+ plateau.

AV did a lot of things that drove me nuts. But we’ve done some serious revisionism with Torts and created major catch-22s with AV.
 
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ColonialsHockey10 said:
The Rangers became unbearable/unwatchable under both Torts and AV. People seem to have forgotten the frequency in which we’d get pinned in our own end and just bombarded for two minutes towards the end of Torts’ tenure.

Maybe I’d lean in favor of Torts because we had a true identity under him, but it’s really neck and neck.
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Bingo.

I get preferring Torts. But I also think we have to acknowledge some of the major issues that existed.
 
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The thing with Torts is, he gets the most out of his teams early on, he's very direct and very strict...unfortunately it wears thin on the players after a few seasons and he wears out his welcome.
 
Edge said:
I don’t agree with the Torts set up the table for AV argument.

There are a number of guys who AV got significantly more out of than Torts, and not just because Torts was just so damn wonderful at development. And no, they wouldn’t have become those players under Torts.

So no, I don’t believe Torts develops Zucc, Kreider, Miller, etc. as we know. And no, I don’t believe he gets more out of Nash, or gets career years out of Brassard, or gives McD the leash to get to that 40+ plateau.

AV did a lot of things that drove me nuts. But we’ve done some serious revisionism with Torts and created major catch-22s with AV.
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I agree completely with the point about player development.

But those early AV teams did play differently than the later teams and it wasn’t just personnel changes. The back checking and cycling seemed to get worse every year and I think it’s because Torts stressed those aspects of the game less than Torts. Just like AV stressed having a coherent breakout more than Torts.
 
McRanger said:
I agree completely with the point about player development.

But those early AV teams did play differently than the later teams and it wasn’t just personnel changes. The back checking and cycling seemed to get worse every year and I think it’s because Torts stressed those aspects of the game less than Torts. Just like AV stressed having a coherent breakout more than Torts.
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The team dynamics changed and the players were older. RangersTown south farted out again due to all those miles.
 
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