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blundluntman said:
I’d love to put Mackinnon up there but I’d say Kucherov did more with less last season and Drai has been better all around this year. Could definitely argue he belongs tho
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MacKinnon tilted the ice more for his team than Kucherov did. Not sure there are secondary factors that really push one player over the other last season beyond what their production would indicate.

MacKinnon's Four Nations performance gives him an edge over Kucherov this year. That being said, not much to choose from over the past 7 or 8 years as they, along with Drai, are in contention for the #2 player in the world.

Draisaitl has a bit of an edge over MacKinnon this year but he is not as good as Mac last year so I wouldn't position him as being the player who join McDavid at this point. If he dragged his team to a Cup with McDavid being more of a support player could change things.
 
daver said:
MacKinnon tilted the ice more for his team than Kucherov did. Not sure there are secondary factors that really push one player over the other last season beyond what their production would indicate.

MacKinnon's Four Nations performance gives him an edge over Kucherov this year. That being said, not much to choose from over the past 7 or 8 years as they, along with Drai, are in contention for the #2 player in the world.

Draisaitl has a bit of an edge over MacKinnon this year but he is not as good as Mac last year so I wouldn't position him as being the player who join McDavid at this point. If he dragged his team to a Cup with McDavid being more of a support player could change things.
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Mackinnon had Rantanen and Makar as linemates to help quite a bit as far as tilting the ice. I watched my fair share of Colorado games (not as many as I'd like to) and while Mackinnon obviously was dangerous at any given time. Makar tilted the ice just as much if not more at times. Compared to Kucherov who didn't have that type of support, I have to give him his due. McDavid had a nearly identical ppg that season and also put up insane playoff numbers. If we're going by the 2-3 year frame I guess I'd have to rethink things but all the lists I saw weren't limited to that criteria.
 
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daver said:
MacKinnon tilted the ice more for his team than Kucherov did. Not sure there are secondary factors that really push one player over the other last season beyond what their production would indicate.

MacKinnon's Four Nations performance gives him an edge over Kucherov this year. That being said, not much to choose from over the past 7 or 8 years as they, along with Drai, are in contention for the #2 player in the world.

Draisaitl has a bit of an edge over MacKinnon this year but he is not as good as Mac last year so I wouldn't position him as being the player who join McDavid at this point. If he dragged his team to a Cup with McDavid being more of a support player could change things.
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Not fair to use that IMO given Russia was not one of the Four Nations.
 
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Since the 2005 lockout :

2006 - Jagr
2007 - Crosby
2008 - Ovechkin
2009 - Malkin
2010 - Ovechkin
2011- Crosby
2012 - Malkin
2013 - Crosby
2014 - Crosby
2015 - Price
2016 - Kane
2017 - Crosby
2018 - McDavid
2019 - Kucherov
2020 - Draisaitl
2021 - McDavid
2022 - McDavid
2023 - McDavid
2024 - McDavid
2025 - MacKinnon
 
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Nadal On Clay said:
Since the 2005 lockout :

2006 - Jagr
2007 - Crosby
2008 - Ovechkin
2009 - Malkin
2010 - Ovechkin
2011- Crosby
2012 - Malkin
2013 - Crosby
2014 - Crosby
2015 - Price
2016 - Kane
2017 - Crosby
2018 - McDavid
2019 - Kucherov
2020 - Draisaitl
2021 - McDavid
2022 - McDavid
2023 - McDavid
2024 - McDavid
2025 - MacKinnon
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Again , this isn't meant to be a listing of the annual Hart/Lindsay winners.
 
daver said:
Again , this isn't meant to be a listing of the annual Hart/Lindsay winners.
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Newsflash; the Hart and Lindsey trophies are usually given out to the best player during a given year.

Which ones do you disagree with?
 
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daver said:
Read the OP.
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It’s a flawed system.

Crosby was not the best player in the world in 2016. McDavid was not the best player in the world in 2019 etc. The best way to determine who was the best player in a given year is to look at that year specifically. I know you don’t like that way of thinking because it disadvantages Crosby, but my list is as objective as it gets. I’m still waiting for your arguments against one of my selections.
 
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Nadal On Clay said:
It’s a flawed system.

Crosby was not the best player in the world in 2016. McDavid was not the best player in the world in 2019 etc. The best way to determine who was the best player in a given year is to look at that year specifically. I know you don’t like that way of thinking because it disadvantages Crosby, but my list is as objective as it gets. I’m still waiting for your arguments against one of my selections.
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It's not meant to be a system. It's meant to be an interesting and nuanced discussion.
 
If you take the question mentally a bit as a :
Every year spring, playoff start, everyone healthy who do you draft first to go into the playoff this year, it can get a bit noisy (while still not going always to the player that just got the best season).

Nadal for example pick Crosby for ~2011, Crosby finished 20 in Hart vote that year and 5th center all star team finish, it is a bit more than just picking the best season exercise that he is doing.
 
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Nate MacKinnon has been the best player on the planet for 2-3 seasons now. Won a Cup, a Hart, an Art Ross (possibly), and has been a top-5 scorer and Hart candidate steadily over this time. He also won MVP at the 4 Nations and was a force among some of the best in the world.
 
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