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Best player in the world: 2011

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Best player in the world: 2011

  • D. Sedin

    Votes: 19 6.8%

  • St. Louis

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Perry

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • H. Sedin

    Votes: 11 3.9%

  • Stamkos

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Iginla

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Ovechkin

    Votes: 7 2.5%

  • Crosby

    Votes: 162 57.9%

  • Malkin

    Votes: 6 2.1%

  • Kesler

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Lidstrom

    Votes: 6 2.1%

  • Weber

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Chara

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Rinne

    Votes: 2 0.7%

  • Thomas

    Votes: 62 22.1%

  • Luongo

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    280
  • Poll closed .
These threads are so stupid when they devolve into "hey why didn't you vote for my guy last time, so I won't vote for your guy now for reason xyz".

2011 is definitely Crosby.
2008-2010 was Ovechkin.

Not sure any of it warrants all the back and forth and finger pointing happening here. It's pretty clear cut.

One of the big differences I've always said in Crosby/Ovechkin in their careers is that usually when Ovechkin was the better player, gap with Crosby was close. When Crosby is on top, often Ovechkin is further back (that was true in 2007, and is again in 2011, and will be in 2012).
 
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Video Nasty said:
Pace and PPG junkies, now is finally your time to get your hit. Nathaniel, let everyone else try some before you come back for seconds.

I voted Crosby as well, though this half season of stellar play is actually a third of a season (6 goals and 15 points in first 13 games before the 25 game point streak, hence why it’s not ridiculous to assume he would cool off again). He also only led Stamkos by 1 goal (and 10 points) through the same number of games when he went down, so it’s not exactly the beatdown people tend to remember.

If I was comfortable voting Lemieux in 2000-2001, I’m okay doing it for Crosby here.

Thomas is of course an excellent choice and hard to go against for the complete package of regular season and playoffs that people are picking and choosing when that matters more or not.
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it was stamkos at his peak
 
pi314 said:
Crosby can play 200 feet of hockey and do everything.

Ovechkin can cherry-pick and crush one-timers.

Nobody who actually plays hockey thinks Ovechkin was better.

When Ovechkin was in his prime, TSN polled all GMs and asked who was better.

3 said Ovechkin. 1 wasn't reachable. All the rest said Crosby.

"It's like the five-tool guy vs. the home-run hitter: The five-tool guy finds more ways to win all the time," said a Western Conference head coach not involved in the tourney, via text message after Canada's 5-3 semifinal win Saturday.​
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"Full-court player vs. half-court player," added an Eastern Conference GM not involved in the World Cup, via text message during the third period.​
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Bro, he literally was voted by the players for the Ted Lindsay 3 seasons in a row lmfao.

Anyways, I understand the votes for Crosby and was tempted to pick him myself, but I'm following my goalie agenda and picking Thomas. A .938 35 win season and a .940 conn smythe post-season is just too brilliant to pass up. Crosby was otherworldly but who knows how long he keeps up the pace and whether he fizzles out eventually.
 
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GreatGonzo said:
Crosbys defense is probably the most overrrated part of his game to be honest, all while calling Ovechkin a cherry picker, it doesn’t help your argument. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t the best player in 2011 though.
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Yep, Crosby being some defensive stalwart is revisionist history at its finest.
 
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Midnight Judges said:
To the contrary, Crosby sucks at defense and surrenders tons of goals while he's on the ice.
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Maybe if you say it just one more time and wish upon a star, it will be true...

Dare to dream.

As a side note, this poll hasn't even been live for a day and all the usual suspects have wandered in to take their shots at Sid. You have to at least admire the conviction here.
 
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Just to understand everything. A guy who didn’t place in the top 10 in points in seasons 2010-11 nor 2011-12 is leading this poll? Wasn’t even selected for 1st or 2nd team all star either.

Injuries do factor in when it comes to a career. No doubt he would have been the best player but not playing because of injury makes it impossible to crown him the best player because we don’t know.

2010-11 Hart winner - Sedin
2011-12 Hart winner - Malkin

At least start there with those two.
 
bobholly39 said:
These threads are so stupid when they devolve into "hey why didn't you vote for my guy last time, so I won't vote for your guy now for reason xyz".

2011 is definitely Crosby.
2008-2010 was Ovechkin.

Not sure any of it warrants all the back and forth and finger pointing happening here. It's pretty clear cut.

One of the big differences I've always said in Crosby/Ovechkin in their careers is that usually when Ovechkin was the better player, gap with Crosby was close. When Crosby is on top, often Ovechkin is further back (that was true in 2007, and is again in 2011, and will be in 2012).
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Pretty much this Nd it's sad to see how some people simply have to try and manipulate the question for their own agendas.

Crosby was quite clearly the "best player in the world during the 10-11 season.

The 2 guys voting Ovechkin, seriously where is the logic in that?
 
bobbyking said:
during his peak before the leg break he was absolutely in that conversation. for atleast 1.5 years and he was gpg for the first 22 games I believe.
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I'd have to go back but in the conversation for maybe being 3rd for a very short window maybe but never being the top dog...it's a really small group historically.
 
Midnight Judges said:
It's not confusing. It's a simple fact that durability is inextricable from the equation about who is the best athlete, and this is true in every sport.
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The problem is that we don't actually know much about a player's durability. In most cases you won't, unless you can perform medical tests on a player or illegal experiments, you won't know how prone to injury someone is. In many cases, this comes down to luck or instances out of a player's control that occur maybe 5 times in a player's career.
 
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Pretty much this Nd it's sad to see how some people simply have to try and manipulate the question for their own agendas.

Crosby was quite clearly the "best player in the world during the 10-11 season.

The 2 guys voting Ovechkin, seriously where is the logic in that?
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I didn't vote for OV because he was not the best this season and I'm not going to have a problem voting Crosby from 12/13-16/17. But where is the logic in saying the best player in the world is someone who was on a 4 year run of zero MVPs (not even nominated 3/4 seasons), zero best player awards (not nominated 3/4), zero playoff MVPs, zero scoring titles and clearly was not the best player the previous 3 seasons? Has that happened in the history of sports? I know it hasn't happened in hockey, basketball or football (soccer) history so why for Crosby? It's not like his 41 game run was some once in a lifetime thing either because OV did basically the same thing a year before, Jagr did it before, McDavid has beaten it since.
 
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KoozNetsOff 92 said:
I didn't vote for OV because he was not the best this season and I'm not going to have a problem voting Crosby from 12/13-16/17. But where is the logic in saying the best player in the world is someone who was on a 4 year run of zero MVPs (not even nominated 3/4 seasons), zero best player awards (not nominated 3/4), zero playoff MVPs, zero scoring titles and clearly was not the best player the previous 3 seasons? Has that happened in the history of sports? I know it hasn't happened in hockey, basketball or football (soccer) history so why for Crosby? It's not like his 41 game run was some once in a lifetime thing either because OV did basically the same thing a year before, Jagr did it before, McDavid has beaten it since.
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The question is pretty simple and it's not asking for full season awards voting or who won the Conn Smythe ect.

Most people watching Crosby in those 41 games saw enough to see that Crosby was the best player in the world that year, it's not complicated unless one wants to creat a distraction with selective arguments.
 
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Now that’s some revisionist history. Crosby had no claim in 2010.
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The year where he scored the golden goal and won the Rocket Richard?
I know the Olympics aren't the NHL but that's arguably when Crosby's fame was at its peak.
They were the incumbent Stanley Cup champs that year too
 
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this isn't the fame poll
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It doesn't matter. Ask someone who they're taking in 2010 Crosby vs. Ovechkin and they are saying Crosby because he just won everything. He was the champ of multiple categories.
 
Siludin said:
It doesn't matter. Ask someone who they're taking in 2010 Crosby vs. Ovechkin and they are saying Crosby because he just won everything. He was the champ of multiple categories.
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That's some revisionist history dawg.

The NHL players and NHL media voted Ovechkin as the better/more valuable player from that season. Despite Ovie playing less games than Sid.
 
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That's some revisionist history dawg.

The NHL players and NHL media voted Ovechkin as the better/more valuable player from that season. Despite Ovie playing less games than Sid.
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Crosby was seen as the best player in the world after the golden goal stop trying so hard I clearly remember
 
As I predicted in the first poll in this series, people would eventually confuse the best player in the world with the best season. That this would happen around the time Crosby took the mantle is no surprise, especially when you have the usual suspects dropping in to take their shots.

If you actually think Tim Thomas or a Sedin (and I'm a Canucks fan) was the best player in the world... yeah, okay, sure thing. But Crosby, an actual top 5-10 player of all time, was at his peak. Anyone who correctly remembers this time period knows that Sid was seen as a player on an island, much like current McDavid.
 
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