Video Nasty
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Crosby is given freebies all the time when it comes to any season he missed significant time or couldn’t win awards when expected to, so what does it even matter?
Best player in the world: 2010
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Crosby is given freebies all the time when it comes to any season he missed significant time or couldn’t win awards when expected to, so what does it even matter?
TheStatican
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Are we talking about other seasons or are we talking about 2009-2010? Because I'm pretty sure it's the latter.
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He tied for the Richard with Stamkos, who did it on a much worse team. Stammer for the win.
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Only 31% of the forum willing to blatantly revise history and pretend Crosby was better than Ovechkin in 2010.
Honestly, that's progress.
LOL you spent an hour writing this garbage - attacking Ovechkin for 6 points out of 109 / 6 goals out of 50. And even through your Penguins goggles results, Ovechkin is clearly the best player.
Honestly, that's progress.
LOL you spent an hour writing this garbage - attacking Ovechkin for 6 points out of 109 / 6 goals out of 50. And even through your Penguins goggles results, Ovechkin is clearly the best player.
I wonder if he was battling something around that time. The next year saw his shooting percentage stay low, and a lot of fans thought he had some kind of hand or wrist injury. Despite the Olympics kind of regularly being described as the end of peak Ovechkin, he was still pretty similar in terms of play driving and creating opportunities in 10-11, but he shot was off so his goals were down. It wasn’t until the Hunter year in 11-12 where things really changed, then Oates turned him into a more off-the-puck player in 12-13
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Regular Season:
-> Ovechkin had essentially the exact same goals/points as Crosby, in 9 less games played. This is a very clear and decently large advantage for Ovechkin
Playoffs:
-> Crosby was 6 goals and 19 points in 13 games. Ovechkin was 5 goals and 10 points in 7 games. This is pretty much identical production, except Ovechkin was a significantly better goal scorer in the playoffs. Giving Crosby any advantage for playoffs is simply saying because his TEAM did better, Crosby was the better player (which is a terrible argument).
Olympics:
-> Both were a point per game, and both were about 0.5 goals/gp. Crosby also had a much more stacked team, and was in a 4-way tie for 2nd in points on his own team (with another 4 players that had 1 less point than him on his own team). Everyone on that team C team was producing points, and other than the golden goal, Crosby was not producing on any other kind of level that was much better than Ovechkin.
This is easily Ovechkin again.
-> Ovechkin had essentially the exact same goals/points as Crosby, in 9 less games played. This is a very clear and decently large advantage for Ovechkin
Playoffs:
-> Crosby was 6 goals and 19 points in 13 games. Ovechkin was 5 goals and 10 points in 7 games. This is pretty much identical production, except Ovechkin was a significantly better goal scorer in the playoffs. Giving Crosby any advantage for playoffs is simply saying because his TEAM did better, Crosby was the better player (which is a terrible argument).
Olympics:
-> Both were a point per game, and both were about 0.5 goals/gp. Crosby also had a much more stacked team, and was in a 4-way tie for 2nd in points on his own team (with another 4 players that had 1 less point than him on his own team). Everyone on that team C team was producing points, and other than the golden goal, Crosby was not producing on any other kind of level that was much better than Ovechkin.
This is easily Ovechkin again.
McPoyle
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This is Ovi pretty easily. Crosby had a pretty bad olympics except for the "golden goal".
GreatGonzo
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It’s interesting. The next poll(2010-2011), Crosby will most likely win a majority of the votes as the top player that year, despite only playing half the season…but Crosby has the edge on Ovechkin in 2009-10 because he has less empty net goals? Talk about reaching.
Ovechkin matched Crosbys production while playing less games, and Crosby doesn’t have a playoff run to fall back on. He won the Pearson as well and most likely would have won the Ross and Rocket if he had played more games(much like Crosby in 2011).
Ovechkin matched Crosbys production while playing less games, and Crosby doesn’t have a playoff run to fall back on. He won the Pearson as well and most likely would have won the Ross and Rocket if he had played more games(much like Crosby in 2011).
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hamzarocks
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This is the 2nd last year OV was actually close to best player in the league
2015 he was close but so were price, OV, tavares etc
OV's 5 year prime from 2006 to 2010 was amazing. He fell off pretty hard after that outside of goal scoring
2015 he was close but so were price, OV, tavares etc
OV's 5 year prime from 2006 to 2010 was amazing. He fell off pretty hard after that outside of goal scoring
The playoffs are tough because team success leads to more games, which shouldn’t be put on an individual player, but it’s harder to sustain excellent play over more games, so I don’t think that should be dismissed either. I don’t think it really matters for this season, as neither one were really anything amazing beyond their usual selves, but you mentioned this for 2009 as well, and I think it’s hard to ignore a great 4 round playoffs in comparison to a great 2 round playoffs for the Malkin/Ovechkin comp.
I don’t disagree with Ovechkin, but it’s certainly a lot closer in my mind than some are suggesting. Pointing to the Olympics as a reason it’s easily Ovi is kinda strange though
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Can’t say I care much about the fairy tale stories told about the Olympics. Try to refrain from mentioning me again for clicking like on another comment.
I love the cognitive dissonance where Canada was so stacked that they were a lock to win yet they needed a OT goal in the gold medal game to win.
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Believe it or not, teams that are stacked and favorites to win actually underperform at times. I guess 2019 Tampa was never stacked and a favorite to win because they lost to Columbus that year
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And I suppose you think it took me 24 hours to write this response as well
But yes there's no doubt I spend a little more time than the average poster does when formulating a response. That to me is preferable over continually posting little more than unresearched baised opinions.
You can ignore it if you like but it doesn't change the fact that he cherrypicked 10% of his goal output through two of his peak seasons with easy empty netters while pitching in a few more meaningless goals in blow out wins.
It was simple regression to the norm. Ovi had never before produced at that piony pace and never again would come close in his entire career. He was never going to sustain it over a full season.
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Ovechkin scores more goals than everyone else in virtually every situation. You can try and hold that against him but just know that you're wrong.
Of course I could comb through Malkin's assists and find mundane perimeter passes, or face-off wins (which Malkin sucks at) that resulted in assists, or other things that any player in the ECHL could do. What are the chances I find as few as you have?
Ovechkin still.
Still mostly a 1a/1b with Crosby - Crosby especially has a great year with the Olympic golden goal, the rocket and another strong playoff run. Despite his strong year - to me this is the largest gap between Ovechkin and Crosby to date (except 2007, in reverse order). I actually think 2008 and 2009 was closer.
It's kind of unfortunate Ovechkin was never able to perform quite at that same level again. A fantastic peak for sure - with many more flashes of greatness after 2010 - but never quite at the same level for sustained periods of time.
Still mostly a 1a/1b with Crosby - Crosby especially has a great year with the Olympic golden goal, the rocket and another strong playoff run. Despite his strong year - to me this is the largest gap between Ovechkin and Crosby to date (except 2007, in reverse order). I actually think 2008 and 2009 was closer.
It's kind of unfortunate Ovechkin was never able to perform quite at that same level again. A fantastic peak for sure - with many more flashes of greatness after 2010 - but never quite at the same level for sustained periods of time.
McPoyle
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Im not pointing to the olympics as a pro Ovi arguement, rather that Crosby was pretty underwhelming those olympics and wasn't even a top 3 player on team Canada. Both Ovi and Crosby were underwhelming in Vancouver 2010.
GreatGonzo
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“Cherry picked.” It’s 10 goals out of 106 and 10 points out of 219. Seriously, this is the hill you want to die on? Your research is cherry picked and very bias against Ovi. Give it a rest.And I suppose you think it took me 24 hours to write this response as well
But yes there's no doubt I spend a little more time than the average poster does when formulating a response. That to me is preferable over continually posting little more than unresearched baised opinions.
You can ignore it if you like but it doesn't change the fact that he cherrypicked 10% of his goal output through two of his peak seasons with easy empty netters while pitching in a few more meaningless goals in blow out wins.
It was simple regression to the norm. Ovi had never before produced at that piony pace and never again would come close in his entire career. He was never going to sustain it over a full season.
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The difference between Ovechkin and his competitors in 08-09 and 09-10 was marginal, so yes a small number of cheap, easy, unskilled goals and points which padded his final totals and made his numbers look a little better than they actually were makes a difference. Notice how I didn't make note of that for 07-08? Thats because that season he indeed had less of those unskilled goals.
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OV won the Ted Lindsey in 08,09,10, and the Hart in 08,09.
It’s OV’s win again for this poll.
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