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Best player in the world: 2007

  • Crosby

    Votes: 124 72.5%

  • Thornton

    Votes: 3 1.8%

  • Lecavalier

    Votes: 6 3.5%

  • Heatley

    Votes: 4 2.3%

  • Hossa

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Sakic

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Iginla

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • Ovechkin

    Votes: 5 2.9%

  • Datsyuk

    Votes: 5 2.9%

  • St. Louis

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Selanne

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Lidstrom

    Votes: 11 6.4%

  • Niedermayer

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Pronger

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • Brodeur

    Votes: 3 1.8%

  • Luongo

    Votes: 6 3.5%
  • Total voters
    171
  • Poll closed .
KoozNetsOff 92 said:
2007: ok
2008: OV, Malkin, Crosby
2009: OV, Malkin, Datsyuk
2010: ok

Not sure how you rank Malkin ahead of OV in 2009. OV destroyed him in hart voting (115-12 first place votes), won the lindsay, double digit rocket win, 1st in GPG, 1st in PPG, 63.7 CF%. Absolutely no argument for Malkin unless you're combining regular season + playoffs, but it doesn't look like you are because then it makes no sense to put OV first in 08 or 2010 or have Malkin behind Crosby in 08.
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Love to hear your argument fir Datsyuk ahead of crosby in 08-09. This should be a doozy
 
Video Nasty said:
It’s Crosby.

Interesting to note however that after having 95 points in his first 56 games (59 team games), a 15 point lead over #2 Lecavalier, 16 points over St. Louis, 19 points over Savard, and 20 points over Thornton. Crosby ultimately won the scoring race by 6 points after Thornton picked up 14 points on him in just the final quarter of the season.

Consider that anytime before talking about paces, projections, and guarantees based on partial seasons.

That being said, a slowdown at the end and a decisive loss in the first round doesn’t erase the fact that Crosby had become the best player in the league that year. It bode well for the idea that he would become the next consistently dominant player.

Which made the next 3 seasons where he wasn’t the best player quite puzzling.
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That’s one example of slowed down pace when playing many games of a season. Have you looked at all players in both directions?

I haven’t, but I have looked at quite a few as part of a study I made a few years ago and again after some threads recently have raised this topic again. There are also several examples of players playing full or near full season and increasing their paces in last 10-20 games. Some very recent. I think more things than amount of games played before a certain period of a season factor into (and to further extent) the pace of the coming 10-20 games.

I’m not saying I know, but you seem to say your claim (more games in a season = lowered pace) is a given based on a few examples. I’m curious to look into this more.
 
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here's what some of the top players look like for the calendar year of 2007
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Zetterberg would have been my pick but I'll go with Luongo with Lecavalier as a close 3rd.
 
Dion TheFluff said:
here's what some of the top players look like for the calendar year of 2007
Zetterberg would have been my pick but I'll go with Luongo with Lecavalier as a close 3rd.
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Man we've done 10 of these now, how don't you get it's not about calendar year?

Shame on OP for confusing wording. But also shame on posters for not being literate.
 
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jigglysquishy said:
Man we've done 10 of these now, how don't you get it's not about calendar year?

Shame on OP for confusing wording. But also shame on posters for not being literate.
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Don’t put the weight on my shoulders, this time I clarified in the OP that it’s about 06/07 season :sarcasm:
 
Crosby

Zetterberg should be an option for 2008, he's easily my pick
 
KoozNetsOff 92 said:
2007: ok
2008: OV, Malkin, Crosby
2009: OV, Malkin, Datsyuk
2010: ok

Not sure how you rank Malkin ahead of OV in 2009. OV destroyed him in hart voting (115-12 first place votes), won the lindsay, double digit rocket win, 1st in GPG, 1st in PPG, 63.7 CF%. Absolutely no argument for Malkin unless you're combining regular season + playoffs, but it doesn't look like you are because then it makes no sense to put OV first in 08 or 2010 or have Malkin behind Crosby in 08.
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Crosby was better than Malkin in 2008, he missed games but was the better player when playing and the 1st option on the team. Forsberg won two years depsite missed games and Crosby likely wins either 2011 and 2013 or just 2013 depsite missed games too so him being 2nd for 08 isnt unreasonable

2009 I also have Crobsy over Dats ny a little. Crosby was around 10 pts better pace wise and was coming off a big injury the previous year

Your right, I did forget how good OVs 2009 year was. He should be 1st since its reg season only here for 2009 and then Malkin 2nd with Crosby/Dats at 3rd or 4th
 
hamzarocks said:
Crosby was better than Malkin in 2008, he missed games but was the better player when playing and the 1st option on the team. Forsberg won two years depsite missed games and Crosby likely wins either 2011 and 2013 or just 2013 depsite missed games too so him being 2nd for 08 isnt unreasonable

2009 I also have Crobsy over Dats ny a little. Crosby was around 10 pts better pace wise and was coming off a big injury the previous year

Your right, I did forget how good OVs 2009 year was. He should be 1st since its reg season only here for 2009 and then Malkin 2nd with Crosby/Dats at 3rd or 4th
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To me I take these polls as regular season+ playoffs. Ie - who the best player in the world is, and not just regular season.

Ovechkin likely has a strong case for each of the following 3 years - but when you also consider playoffs, the gap with Crosby/Malkin closes considerably.
 
bobholly39 said:
To me I take these polls as regular season+ playoffs. Ie - who the best player in the world is, and not just regular season.

Ovechkin likely has a strong case for each of the following 3 years - but when you also consider playoffs, the gap with Crosby/Malkin closes considerably.
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2008: Pens reach the SCF with Crosby leading the playoffs in scoring.

2009: Crosby and Malkin win a Cup while having the best playoff performances for forwards since Lemieux.

Yup, the gap is not as large as some people might think.
 
KoozNetsOff 92 said:
2007: ok
2008: OV, Malkin, Crosby
2009: OV, Malkin, Datsyuk
2010: ok

Not sure how you rank Malkin ahead of OV in 2009. OV destroyed him in hart voting (115-12 first place votes), won the lindsay, double digit rocket win, 1st in GPG, 1st in PPG, 63.7 CF%. Absolutely no argument for Malkin unless you're combining regular season + playoffs, but it doesn't look like you are because then it makes no sense to put OV first in 08 or 2010 or have Malkin behind Crosby in 08.
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I’m confused by this. Why would playoffs mean it makes no sense to have Malkin behind Crosby in ‘08?
 
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.922 sv%
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48 wins in a single season is the most by any goaltender in the history of the NHL.
(Holtby eventually tied the record in 2016.)

Who was the next goaltender to have 12 shutouts in a season?
There hasn't been one yet, 16 years later.

4697mins is the most any goaltender has ever played in a single season.
(Only Brodeur himself ever came close to matching that the following year.)

He's underrated around here but people should recognize just how great he was.
 
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Scandale du Jour said:
2008: Pens reach the SCF with Crosby leading the playoffs in scoring.

2009: Crosby and Malkin win a Cup while having the best playoff performances for forwards since Lemieux.

Yup, the gap is not as large as some people might think.
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Your argument for 2008 is based on leading the playoffs in scoring, which essentially just means being the best (or one of the best) players that make the cup final (ie. team success).

Your argument for 2009 is silly, since Ovechkin was still easily the best player in the RS, and had JUST as good of a playoff year, his TEAM simply just didn't go as far.

The gap imo is extremely clear for those 3 years. It's obviously going to be hard to have a "large" gap, as Malkin and Crosby are 2 of the best players of all-time. Someone can have a clear gap but not necessarily have to be large.
 
bobholly39 said:
Why wouldn't playoffs be considered? Of course you should consider playoffs too. The question is who is the best player - not who had the best season. You should consider everything.
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Previous poll results show no one is considering playoffs. Examples: Sakic in 2001 wins the hart, Lindsay, 2nd selke, 1st in playoff goals, GPG, pts, wins cup yet he loses to Lemieux who wasn't even PPG in the playoffs? 2002 Lidstrom wins the Norris, Smythe and cup yet loses to Iginla who wasn't even in the playoffs and don't try to tell me Iginla was ever the best player in the world, he clearly won because of his regular season. We can dive into other years as well to see playoffs haven't mattered. And if it's just best player shouldn't the winner have been Lemieux every year he was active and Jagr otherwise? Clearly the votes are for the best regular season.
 
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filinski77 said:
Your argument for 2008 is based on leading the playoffs in scoring, which essentially just means being the best (or one of the best) players that make the cup final (ie. team success).

Your argument for 2009 is silly, since Ovechkin was still easily the best player in the RS, and had JUST as good of a playoff year, his TEAM simply just didn't go as far.

The gap imo is extremely clear for those 3 years. It's obviously going to be hard to have a "large" gap, as Malkin and Crosby are 2 of the best players of all-time. Someone can have a clear gap but not necessarily have to be large.
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I did not say they were better, I said the gap was not as large as some people might think. If you want to say the gap is "clear", ok, go ahead, I do not care enough to make a long argument about that.

I would personally have Malkin in 09, but would not be "mad" if someone has Ovechkin.
 
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The Grim Reaper said:
Weird that MJ is nowhere to be found, dude was raptured when this poll started.
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Phil Kessels Hot Dog said:
He must have created an alt account so he could vote for Ovechkin twice.
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A bit of projection going on there perhaps.

I voted for Crosby for 06-07.

Although I do prefer for votes to be made public so we could see who the real homers are (*ahem), like these history revisionists who claimed Crosby had the better season in 05-06 despite Ovechkin being significantly ahead for the Hart, Pearson, and Calder while having significantly more goals and also more points than Crosby:

Crosby vs. Ovechkin: a progressive ranking from 2006 to today (#1 -2005/06)

This will be an exercise of establishing an HOH consensus (or at least a decent majority) on how these two rate all-time vs. each other. It will go through every season to: (1) Establish who had the better season/who was better player using the usual analysis in Top 100 player rankings (e.g...
forums.hfboards.com forums.hfboards.com
 
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Ovechkin led the playoffs in PPG and GPG from 2008-2011.

He was just plain better than Crosby and Malkin, and the Hart/Pearson voting reflects that despite some certain voters probably hating that very much. Crosby was supposed to be the next Gretzky. Ovechkin spoiled the party.
 
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