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Calirose

Calirose

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Last night on TSN the panel were talking about each of the round one match-ups. The Canadian sports media are particularly excited about the Kings/Sharks series.

When talking about our matchup Mike Johnson said Quick is "the best goaltender in the NHL". Pierre LeBrun nodded in agreement to what Johnson was saying and no one on the panel orally visibly or audibly disputed this. Although I do sincerely love how much TSN/CBC fellat-e the Kings in every broadcast. This isn't the first time I've heard this type of commentary about JQ. Don't get me wrong, there isn't a goaltender I'd rather have on our team. I like everything about JQ. But...

How does this claim get weight?

I concede, Quick has been a playoff hero and makes inhuman saves on the regular. The guy just spearheaded our Jennings victory. But the guy is 23rd in SV% this year, a much larger sample size than his playoff prowess, if he is making those heroic saves he is conceding less than spectacular shots at a much higher rate than guys like Rask, Price and Varly at .930, .927 and .927 respectively. That means that, on average, after 9 shots, Quick has a 15% chance of making the next save and Rask had a 30% chance throughout this regular season. Again this is a sample size much greater than that in the playoffs. I am sympathetic to the argument that he makes timely saves and our team of regular season slackers, who might not bring their A game every time in, what is their 9-5, bring it in the playoffs and their talent, strength and synergy is too much for most opponents when they are firing on all cylinders, this is part of the reason I love the kings so much, but we cannot dispute that the stats don't indicate that he is, on average, the top goaltender in the league, at least not with clarity.

It is also not clear that his workload is particularly tough, maybe facing 17 shots a game is tougher on a goalie and our amazing defence is the reason he is leaky in the regular season, but this year we saw 3 goalies looks like Vezina nominees behind our team.

Is there a good case for Quick being the best of the best?
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He's the best ****ing goalie in the universe. Hands down.

Next question.
 
Ron said:
He's the best ****ing goalie in the universe. Hands down.

Next question.
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Ron has it


for JQ to get the accolades you are asking about, he needs to improve his regular season stats, it's that simple.

but....

on the flip side many people will look at what he is doing in the post season as more important in the long run. personally i am in this category. Quick steps up his game and wins when it matter most - the second season.

the media can give Lundquist, Rinne, Price, Bishop and any other goalie of the month all the love they want for their regular season performance. but for all that love they get, I don't see any of them accomplishing what Quick has done to date.

i'm tired of hearing about Lundquist the most, because honestly he hasn't accomplished anything in the post season. have the Rags even made the ECF during his tenure? no

team defense, system.....they are excuses that fans will use to mask a deficiency. a team's goalie is the most important player out there and they will either carry you to the promised land or won't. Quick has taken LA to the SC. Henrik hasn't. Rinne hasn't. Price hasn't. etc......

the only guys I see that currently are playing the same game are Rask, Niemi and Crawford. they have maintained steady performances for their teams in the regular season and playoffs, they have also won the SC. all three guys for years now have kept their teams near the top of the standings and had significant playoff runs year after year. Fleury i write off due to his past two years playoff experiences which were god awful.
 
It's all subjective anyway and if that's the perception, I'm good with it. What's undeniable is that there is no goaltender in the league who has a higher ceiling and actually reached it, than Quick. He was ungodly for 6 straight playoff series. That is unreal.
 
Whiskeypete said:
i'm tired of hearing about Lundquist the most, because honestly he hasn't accomplished anything in the post season. have the Rags even made the ECF during his tenure? no
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Stanley Cup Final no, but they did make it to the ECF in 2012 only they lost to the devils in 6
 
The best answer is he makes the big saves on the big stage and his save percentage in the playoffs shows that to be true. The entire Kings team overachieves in the regular season and really I can count the amount of stinker games Quick has on one hand.

Buddy The Elf said:
The Kings give up very few shots. There is probably some advance stat for it but quality over quantity. I watch the games.. and Quick is the best goalie in the World!
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It's called team effects. Remember when Vokoun/Luongo would get peppered in Florida and posted ridiculous numbers? What happened when they went elsewhere? How about Ryan Miller this year, worst team in the league to a Stanley Cup favorite?

I had this argument all year with people before the Olympics but they've all mysteriously disappeared since Ryan Miller. It's not a science, but you can't just take one goaltender from one team plop them somewhere else and expect differently. In regards to the shot numbers specifically, I forget where it's found, but Quick's sv% goes up with more shots and we have a better win% when outshot IIRC. And I will say unless a goaltender is getting a shutout, those low shot numbers mean low save percentages when you let in one/two goals on 20 shots rather than on 30 (I know, duh, but when you have lower-than-average shots against..).

Most goaltenders will tell you they love workload, it helps keep them in the game. Quick is a guy whose biggest weakness, imo, is focus when he gets bored. How many games this season did we dominate play on one end then get scored on on the opponents single rush of the period?

Quick will likely never win a Vezina while we are a powerhouse team. His best year was when he carried us kicking and screaming to the playoffs when we didn't deserve it because he had to be in every game.

I'm pretty sure the talking heads will agree that when the games matter most I don't want anyone other than Quick. This year, Varlamov can make his case as Rask did last year. But I still take Quickie.
 
I rather have a goalie that puts up decent numbers in the regular season, and has the best mode switch for the playoffs.
 
Calirose said:
Last night on TSN the panel were talking about each of the round one match-ups. The Canadian sports media are particularly excited about the Kings/Sharks series.

When talking about our matchup Mike Johnson said Quick is "the best goaltender in the NHL". Pierre LeBrun nodded in agreement to what Johnson was saying and none on the panel orally visibly or audibly disputed this. Although I do sincerely love how much TSN/CBC fellat-e the Kings in every broadcast. This isn't the first time I've heard this type of commentary about JQ. Don't get me wrong, there isn't a goaltender I'd rather have on our team. I like everything about JQ. But...

How does this claim get weight?
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They've watched him play. Once you watch Quick play, there is no doubt he's the best goaltender in the league. He makes saves that other goalies in the league can't make.
 
It's a tradeoff in style, though. I had a good laugh at the fans that don't usually get to see him play when they talked about how tough he is to watch. I think we're mostly used to it, but his 'style' is very unorthodox and I guess does scare people as sometimes he looks out of position (or is out of position) before recovering to make the save. Not gonna make the Hasek comparison in terms of skill but style-wise he is sort of a Thomas/Hasek battler as opposed to Canada's precious butterfly-style play-the-percentages goaltending.
 
ouendan1 said:
Stanley Cup Final no, but they did make it to the ECF in 2012 only they lost to the devils in 6
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you're right, got my talk track criss crossed.

to spin this in another direction. if copying something is the greatest form of flattery, then it is possible goalies are copying Quick.

anyone catch the DET game the other with P Mrazek in net? if he was in plain practice blacks you could have mistaken him for Quick. the kid was all over and plays very similar to Quick.

most goalies today play such similar styles that when one of them is playing outside these norms it stands out. Mrazek was playing aggressive to the shooters, fast and agile it was very cool to see.
 
For Quick to put up that level of SV% he'd be at a near record low GAA. With how things went at times this year it's a near impossibility to do that.

Playoffs matter
 
CTKingsFan said:
They've watched him play. Once you watch Quick play, there is no doubt he's the best goaltender in the league. He makes saves that other goalies in the league can't make.
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Why does this matter a save that stops a goal is still worth -1 point for the other team irrespective of how impressive the save was.
 
Quick is a very good goalie, he really is. But he's also pretty inconsistent, especially in the regular season, at moments it seems like he has God mode enabled, then at other moments it's I r Potato mode enabled.

Quick has some flaws in his game,but they are big flaws, he doesn't have an elite glove hand, but he has a solid low blocker.

If quick wants to get The veins, he needs to go back into 2011-2012 mode. He was playing very smartly at that moment, he was almost never out of position, and he would challenge a shooter only if that shooter had no choice and our defense had cover.

These days it feels he's gotten so used to the defense bailing him out, that he actually plays too aggressive even when the other player isn't fully covered.

He just needs to read odd man rushes much more intelligently.

I know his favorite thing to do is challenge, but he needs to be smart when he does it.

He's just too inconsistent to be the best goaltender in the world imo..

But he can be if he worked on his game.
 
Ron said:
He's the best ****ing goalie in the universe. Hands down.

Next question.
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end of discussion. i feel insulted when people actually want to try and argue this. it's pretty much factual at this point that Quick is the best goalie in the world.
 
System goalie

I don't watch enough goalies to know, but over the last 3 years, Quick has given up so few 'soft' goals, that i find it very hard to believe that they are goalies out there giving up even less
 
I personally think Rask is ****.

I think Lehtonen is one of the best imo.
 
There you go, Calirose.

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