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One good trick is to also take a look at who these guys were partnered with and what role they played on their pairings. Are they the safety net? Or are they the tight-rope walker?
Giordano is a solid 2nd for mePrime Giordano was a beast both ways.
And by prime I mean like 33 haha
I'm bored rn and this is kinda born out of the pet peeve of mine that nobody voting for the norris seems to care about defensive play anymore. Maybe I'm just stuck in a time long past, but I like my defenders being able to shut down top opponents - and not by just by way of having the puck. So who were the best when the opponent had the puck/when their team was in the d-zone? So basically exclude offensive play (passing, shooting etc.)
80s onward, cuz I don't know many players before that. Just of the top of my head, so order is subject to change:
1. Pronger
2. Bourque
3. Lidström
4. Chelios
5. Langway
in the discussion: Potvin, Stevens, Hatcher, Chara, .........
Most ppl in here understand what I mean by that. You seriously do not or are you just trying to be cute?How do you shut down top opponents without taking and keeping the puck away from them?
Strong language and menacing looks?
There's no elite defensemen that's like 'no, no, I would prefer you have the puck in my zone, I'll just gap up in front of you and try to block as many shots as possible'
Most ppl in here understand what I mean by that. You seriously do not or are you just trying to be cute?
That was never the arguement. What I am asking is the best defensemen at breaking up attacks, getting puck posession. Not what comes after that (transition/passing etc). Leetch for example was mesmerizing in transition, but certainly not an all time great in breaking up plays/getting posession.No, I'm curious. What is a better way of defending than taking the puck, getting it out of your zone and into the other team's zone ASAP
Pronger that low?A quick (and completely subjective) top ten list:
Each of those defensemen was excellent defensively, and also good to great offensively.
- Doug Harvey
- Tim Horton
- Larry Robinson
- Denis Potvin
- Ray Bourque
- Scott Stevens
- Chris Chelios
- Nicklas Lidstrom
- Chris Pronger
- Zdeno Chara
If the question is the best "pure" defensive defensemen (ie their focus was almost entirely on defensive play) - Rod Langway would be a good choice. Other candidates - Valeri Vasiliev, Serge Savard, Rod Langway, Craig Ludwig, Vladimir Konstantinov, Derian Hatcher, Adam Foote.
I was going in (roughly) chronological order for my list.Pronger that low?
Foote and Ludwig are good mentions!
Ekblad?!In his prime Chara woud be a worthy choice.
Right now I would go with Slevin, Ekblad, or Pietroangelo.
With you on number 4--Serge Savard checking in too! Underrated and never mentioned nod to Dave LangevinOrr
Guy was the best offensively and defensively.
Ekblad!?!?In his prime Chara woud be a worthy choice.
Right now I would go with Slevin, Ekblad, or Pietroangelo.
There have been a lot of great defensive minded D. Many mentioned in this thread were fantastic.With you on number 4--Serge Savard checking in too! Underrated and never mentioned nod to Dave Langevin
I'm assuming you meant to say Ekholm instead of Ekblad?In his prime Chara woud be a worthy choice.
Right now I would go with Slevin, Ekblad, or Pietroangelo.
He's one of the shot-attempt stats cultists, so he's being serious unfortunately.Most ppl in here understand what I mean by that. You seriously do not or are you just trying to be cute?
I feel like Rob Blake needs a mention here.I'm bored rn and this is kinda born out of the pet peeve of mine that nobody voting for the norris seems to care about defensive play anymore. Maybe I'm just stuck in a time long past, but I like my defenders being able to shut down top opponents - and not by just by way of having the puck. So who were the best when the opponent had the puck/when their team was in the d-zone? So basically exclude offensive play (passing, shooting etc.)
80s onward, cuz I don't know many players before that. Just of the top of my head, so order is subject to change:
1. Pronger
2. Bourque
3. Lidström
4. Chelios
5. Langway
in the discussion: Potvin, Stevens, Hatcher, Chara, .........