Rumor: Berggren recently rejected Red Wings offer, Calgary and Montreal expressing interest - David Pagnotta

[Konnan511]

Terrible asset management if they let him walk. If Edvinsson doesn't see some legit time soon, he may be gone as well.

 

[Henkka]

Terrible asset management. If Edvinsson doesn't see some legit time soon, he may be gone as well.

At next pre-season he will start getting legit NHL ice-time.

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

If I was him, based on Stevie's M.O., I would reject the first contract offered during the season too. I love that term, "Word is" and then some conjecture to go with it.

He is likely quite pissed over not making the bucks, but if Steve has made an offer before the end of the season, I am sure he feels there is a spot on the team for him, but Steve is Steve and trying to get the best bargain he can.

So long as Berggren is not over pricing himself, it will work out, I am confident based on his play (small sample of AHL, but all of the NHL) that he will be on the LGRW expanded roster after the trade deadline this year once he gets signed, he only has I think, only 3 games or so left before he loses waiver exemption status (if he p[lays 4 he loses exemption), so Stevie will not bring him up until he is locked in, unless its for a trade showcase preview for a hockey trade.

Cap management games are always in play.

 

[letsgowings9999]

Fabbri has stayed quite healthy at this season. Funny how people still think he is gonna get injured on the next game and this is repeated every week.

Has missed 8 games, and multiple of them were for personal reasons.

Hes played 42 of 56 games ... hes missed 14 and the guy is 28 years old and hasn't played a full season in his career

I would bet my house he doesn't play 82 games next season probably not even 70 ... sorry but if we could find a taker for him with retention I'd do it

 

[Ezekial]

Middle 6 winger with a good nickname. I like Berggren but see him as a replaceable asset. I don't see him as a missing piece to the Stanley Cup Contender puzzle for the Wings.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Middle 6 winger with a good nickname. I like Berggren but see him as a replaceable asset. I don't see him as a missing piece to the Stanley Cup Contender puzzle for the Wings.

He also, unfortunately, got last place in the "undersized scoring wingers" competition.

Let's be real, Kane, DeBrincat, Raymond are all in the top six and all undersized. Are you playing Berggren ahead of them? Keep in mind Berggren can't really play a third/fourth line energy or checking game.

He doesn't have a spot on the team and probably won't next season either. Good asset management (and kindness to the player) would be to trade him at the deadline and let him break into the NHL somewhere else.

The guy is 23 years old in his D+5 and has only just started being able to do things like "play in the NHL without routinely getting knocked on his ass". He isn't an offensive dynamo who can score his way into the NHL without any focus on defense. It's not like Yzerman buried him in the minors for kicks. The kid has very real flaws in his game and his approach to the game.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

He also, unfortunately, got last place in the "undersized scoring wingers" competition.

Let's be real, Kane, DeBrincat, Raymond are all in the top six and all undersized. Are you playing Berggren ahead of them? Keep in mind Berggren can't really play a third/fourth line energy or checking game.

He doesn't have a spot on the team and probably won't next season either. Good asset management (and kindness to the player) would be to trade him at the deadline and let him break into the NHL somewhere else.

The guy is 23 years old in his D+5 and has only just started being able to do things like "play in the NHL without routinely getting knocked on his ass". He isn't an offensive dynamo who can score his way into the NHL without any focus on defense. It's not like Yzerman buried him in the minors for kicks. The kid has very real flaws in his game and his approach to the game.

I partially agree but we don't know his approach to the game off ice.

I see Berggren as a guy that will get you 30-40 points as a 3rd liner, 50 as a 2nd liner, and as many as 70 as a 1st liner. Should he be a first liner though? Maybe on a bad team. Kind of like Jordan Eberle when he was on the Tayler Hall Oilers.

What good teams in the NHL does Berggren crack their top 6 this year or next? What about next year?

 

[jaster]

Berggren will finish his career with more GP than Glendening and at least double the points.

He won’t.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

He won’t.

Yuh huh!

 

[Detroit Knights]

Why wouldn't we that's simple. He's being paid 6 million a year and is incredibly streaky.

His Sv% the last 4 years:
.904
.922
.892
.913

We have a starter and we don't need a 6 million dollar streak backup especially when we are tight against the cap next season.

We are not tight against the cap next year. So that's for starters.

secondly, all of the save percentages you just listed is better than reimer's and husso's this season. His worst was last year when calgary started playing horribly and that is still better than our two backups. But yeah, lets stick with them......................

You just argued against yourself, you know that right? League average is hovering around .905 or something and he is on a bad calgary team and is outperforming league average. Man...imagine what he would do on a playoff competent team like he was on 3 years ago with that .922.....

 

[Go Wings]

We are not tight against the cap next year. So that's for starters.

secondly, all of the save percentages you just listed is better than reimer's and husso's this season. His worst was last year when calgary started playing horribly and that is still better than our two backups. But yeah, lets stick with them......................

You just argued against yourself, you know that right? League average is hovering around .905 or something and he is on a bad calgary team and is outperforming league average. Man...imagine what he would do on a playoff competent team like he was on 3 years ago with that .922.....

We are going to be tight against the cap you should have a look at the money we have and the players we need to sign.

Reimer and Hudson don't cost 6 million a season. We need a backup not a starter that costs starter money.

A bad Calgary team that has allowed 1 less goal against in 1 less game. Yah Calgary's offense may be shit but their defense isn't.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I would rather let Lyon carry the load the rest of the season into the playoffs and see if he breaks.

He might be that random goalie who finds his game in his late 20s/early 30s like Thomas.

Adding Markstrom is risky for both team chemistry and cap. I'd rather we solidify the defense to support Lyon, not continue to try to replace him.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I would rather let Lyon carry the load the rest of the season into the playoffs and see if he breaks.

He might be that random goalie who finds his game in his late 20s/early 30s like Thomas.

Adding Markstrom is risky for both team chemistry and cap. I'd rather we solidify the defense to support Lyon, not continue to try to replace him.

I agree with not trying to replace Lyon but this team NEEDS a steady backup or 1a/1b. Even if Markstrom's numbers aren't sexy this year he's still looked good. Better than Husso or Reimer.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

This kid is such a p***y. He has no clue how to contribute to the play if he isn't in open ice and is completely allergic to any area of the ice prone to traffic. He isn't being held back by the organization, he is just a p***y. The quicker we can get him out of the organization the better. My money says he gets similar treatment wherever he lands.

 

[norrisnick]

What exactly does Berggren provide that the following players did not?

AA
Mantha
Vrana
Zadina

Because at the moment it appears that he's right in line with that list, being a scorer with inconsistent effort and lack of a two-way game. And I don't see any names listed that Detroit should regret losing.

Now would it be a better outcome if Berggren continues to develop into a player that can stay with the Wings and thrive? Of course. But much of that responsibility is on the player, instead of your characterization that the organization has bungled things.

Hockey sense and a synergistic ability to be a catalyst to improve the players around him. I don't see how you can watch Berggren's play and just be so wholly reductive to label him as "offense ok, defense/effort bad" and be done with it. He has elite vision and puck possession skills. Like truly elite. Can he be better defensively? Sure, but so could the vast majority of our forwards. Skating uphill with Moritz Seider (same easy "paywall" to get around as the athletics).

He's a better skating Hudler, but again, that's the level of skill this team apparently doesn't need. We just want more hardworking chasers rather than players that can keep possession and move the puck and force the other team to chase. Doesn't matter that he can transport the puck and reliably pass it to a teammate, we really need a guy that can chip n chase...

 

[Konnan511]

This kid is such a p***y. He has no clue how to contribute to the play if he isn't in open ice and is completely allergic to any area of the ice prone to traffic. He isn't being held back by the organization, he is just a p***y. The quicker we can get him out of the organization the better. My money says he gets similar treatment wherever he lands.

Deep breaths. So you're calling him a derogatory term because of hear-say?

"But word is he recently rejected a contract extension pitched by the Red Wings and wants a shot at a full-time NHL gig, something he clearly isn’t getting right now in Detroit. Around five teams, including Calgary and Montreal, have expressed interest."

 

[Detroit Knights]

We are going to be tight against the cap you should have a look at the money we have and the players we need to sign.

Reimer and Hudson don't cost 6 million a season. We need a backup not a starter that costs starter money.

I'm sure you don't pay attention to my posts, I get it, they can be rather long. But I'll TLDR it for you here.

I have watched the cap intensely and found a way to trade for buchnevich/guentzel, markstrom, and hanifin, signed them to big deals, and we had a sick lineup. One buyout, signed seider, raymond, kane. Brought up edvinsson/aljo, mazur, etc.

End of tldr---enjoy the below
I really don't think you have paid that much attention to be honest. If we are trading for markstrom, we are sending players back. If we are trading for hanifin, we are sending a player back. Perron shouldn't be here next year. Fabbri and his 4 mil could be traded for some of these players I have mentioned. Maatta as well. those players alone will give you 13 mil by themselves. Now add reimer and husso and that is an extra (call it) 5.5 mil. Add all of that to our already 26 mil cap room for next year and we are at 36.5 mil to get an extension for hanifin at 7 or 7.5 mil, seider at 7.5 (i just don't believe yzerman will pay him 8, don't worry, norrisnick has already called me an idiot indirectly), raymond around 6, markstrom's 6 mil, Fischer getting a small bump to 1.5, personally don't want veleno back, So I will not include him.

With all of that being said, we would be at roughly 7.95 mil under the 87.5 mil salary cap. You want kane back? well, if we sign him to a minimal 35+ contract at let's call it 4 mil with heavy bonus incentives, we are now at 3.95 under the cap. Add edvinsson's ELC, Danielson's ELC, and I am pretty sure that is a full lineup. Did i resign sprong? No because I think he is going to want 4 mil or somewhere close to it and the math wouldn't work; however, I would be perfectly willing to trade Holl and/or buyout kostin (kostin's buyout calculator says his cap hit would be like 100-300k next year, so it's negligible).

With all that being said, this would be the lineup (imo) for game 1 2024:

Now that, is pushing up to the cap. I have sprong there at 2.9 and Buchnevich at 5.8 (last year of current deal), but they could be there in name only and we could have anyone or a combination of players there for those spots (make sure you use the imagination). Aljo is first callup for defense (I would argue he makes the team, but that's neither here nor there). Kasper is the callup for forwards. I put hanifin at 7.25 so I middled the 7-7.5. I also gave kane 4 and in my honest opinion, if he really wants to stay here, he will take closer to 3 but have extremely easy bonuses to achieve (only can be done on a 35+ contract), so that we could be easy contenders next year (bonuses would be like 10 goals, 20 assists, play 30 games, etc. of which he has already achieved I believe or close to it?)

All I know is, if I'm yzerman, I am doing this. That top 6 would be a force. If buchnevich is a better center than winger? Amazing, switch him with compher as compher and larkin have played well together before and raymond get's two extremely competent players to play with regardless of the switch. That defensive corps could very well be top 5 in the league. The goalies? Perfect tandem so lyon doesn't burn out, you "thinking" markstrom is streaky with above average save percentage, and we still have an AHL team that we can bring players up for depth. This team gets you to the 3rd round with in 2-3 years.

I could make the argument that we should trade walman, but I don't think half this board is ready for that discussion yet. Having markstrom here for 2 more years gives us time for cossa to be fully ready instead of signing another crappy back up to hold us over. This will also solidify a goalie tandem that would rival the last 10-15 years of goalie tandem's we have had. Lyon will get paid and that will be 2025 yzerman's problem. If Kane wants 7 mil and won't negotiate? Awesome, it's been a great ride, enjoy your next team (that would give us plenty of room for buch/guentzel salaries, sprong, and maybe even Duchene if he goes ufa? probably not, will probably stay in dallas but whatever)

 

[norrisnick]

Deep breaths. So you're calling him a derogatory term because of hear-say?

"But word is he recently rejected a contract extension pitched by the Red Wings and wants a shot at a full-time NHL gig, something he clearly isn’t getting right now in Detroit. Around five teams, including Calgary and Montreal, have expressed interest."

It's like people don't even watch the games.
Here's his goal reel from last season. But yeah... he avoids high traffic areas like the plague...


And his full highlight reel to see some of the passes he makes.

 

[Detroit Knights]

A bad Calgary team that has allowed 1 less goal against in 1 less game. Yah Calgary's offense may be shit but their defense isn't.

Too add to the last part of what you said because I definitely didn't see it before:

Calgary has been in a swirling rumor bomb this entire season. Zadorov said I want out, hanifin rejects a massive contract, tanev is always in rumor mill, kadri is pissed because he thought he was going to go play with a great team but got the worst version of huberdeau possible. The one thing people around here just don't seem to realize is even if you have the best defensive corps in the league, it means absolutely nothing if your offense can't play defense too. See Steve Yzerman after bowman gave him his ultimatum.

If you honestly watched the game we played against calgary last week and believe their defense is better because of the names on the back of the jerseys then I have an amazing bridge around the corner to sell you. They are so lackadaisical and don't care anymore. The only ones that seemed like they gave a shit were players that had names I honestly never heard of until that game like pospsil or pachal. They also are diving deeper and depper into the lottery.

Don't you think, just maybe, that they have allowed 1 less goal than us because of the guy you are saying is streaky and played 36 of their games? Just maybe, he is playing extremely good and if he had a team that gave a damn in front of him, including a forward corps that backcheck and play defense, that just maybe he would be better than husso and reimer and hell, maybe even lyon (that'd be tough but for arguments sake)?

 

[SoupGuru]

I never thought he was soft or didn't work hard. I think he has a ton of talent. I honestly don't know why he isn't on the team. The biggest issues I saw in his game were consistency and playing an entire season with energy. But I don't see how you can really work on those in the minors. So, who knows. Maybe it's something us fans aren't privvy to.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

I'm sure you don't pay attention to my posts, I get it, they can be rather long. But I'll TLDR it for you here.

I have watched the cap intensely and found a way to trade for buchnevich/guentzel, markstrom, and hanifin, signed them to big deals, and we had a sick lineup. One buyout, signed seider, raymond, kane. Brought up edvinsson/aljo, mazur, etc.

End of tldr---enjoy the below
I really don't think you have paid that much attention to be honest. If we are trading for markstrom, we are sending players back. If we are trading for hanifin, we are sending a player back. Perron shouldn't be here next year. Fabbri and his 4 mil could be traded for some of these players I have mentioned. Maatta as well. those players alone will give you 13 mil by themselves. Now add reimer and husso and that is an extra (call it) 5.5 mil. Add all of that to our already 26 mil cap room for next year and we are at 36.5 mil to get an extension for hanifin at 7 or 7.5 mil, seider at 7.5 (i just don't believe yzerman will pay him 8, don't worry, norrisnick has already called me an idiot indirectly), raymond around 6, markstrom's 6 mil, Fischer getting a small bump to 1.5, personally don't want veleno back, So I will not include him.

With all of that being said, we would be at roughly 7.95 mil under the 87.5 mil salary cap. You want kane back? well, if we sign him to a minimal 35+ contract at let's call it 4 mil with heavy bonus incentives, we are now at 3.95 under the cap. Add edvinsson's ELC, Danielson's ELC, and I am pretty sure that is a full lineup. Did i resign sprong? No because I think he is going to want 4 mil or somewhere close to it and the math wouldn't work; however, I would be perfectly willing to trade Holl and/or buyout kostin (kostin's buyout calculator says his cap hit would be like 100-300k next year, so it's negligible).

With all that being said, this would be the lineup (imo) for game 1 2024:

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Now that, is pushing up to the cap. I have sprong there at 2.9 and Buchnevich at 5.8 (last year of current deal), but they could be there in name only and we could have anyone or a combination of players there for those spots (make sure you use the imagination). Aljo is first callup for defense (I would argue he makes the team, but that's neither here nor there). Kasper is the callup for forwards. I put hanifin at 7.25 so I middled the 7-7.5. I also gave kane 4 and in my honest opinion, if he really wants to stay here, he will take closer to 3 but have extremely easy bonuses to achieve (only can be done on a 35+ contract), so that we could be easy contenders next year (bonuses would be like 10 goals, 20 assists, play 30 games, etc. of which he has already achieved I believe or close to it?)

All I know is, if I'm yzerman, I am doing this. That top 6 would be a force. If buchnevich is a better center than winger? Amazing, switch him with compher as compher and larkin have played well together before and raymond get's two extremely competent players to play with regardless of the switch. That defensive corps could very well be top 5 in the league. The goalies? Perfect tandem so lyon doesn't burn out, you "thinking" markstrom is streaky with above average save percentage, and we still have an AHL team that we can bring players up for depth. This team gets you to the 3rd round with in 2-3 years.

I could make the argument that we should trade walman, but I don't think half this board is ready for that discussion yet. Having markstrom here for 2 more years gives us time for cossa to be fully ready instead of signing another crappy back up to hold us over. This will also solidify a goalie tandem that would rival the last 10-15 years of goalie tandem's we have had. Lyon will get paid and that will be 2025 yzerman's problem. If Kane wants 7 mil and won't negotiate? Awesome, it's been a great ride, enjoy your next team (that would give us plenty of room for buch/guentzel salaries, sprong, and maybe even Duchene if he goes ufa? probably not, will probably stay in dallas but whatever)

i'm sorry but this roster is wildly unrealistic, and that's coming from a guy who's blocked by at least half of all capfriendly users

 

[Detroit Knights]

i'm sorry but this roster is wildly unrealistic, and that's coming from a guy who's blocked by at least half of all capfriendly users

Hey, I never said this is realistic (even though if i was yzerman, I would try to make it my mission to make this happen....(probably why we are here and not there amiright?). I was arguing against the ridiculous notion that we don't have cap room to get a player like markstrom and hanifin. Not only can we, but we can also get another!

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

Hey, I never said this is realistic (even though if i was yzerman, I would try to make it my mission to make this happen....(probably why we are here and not there amiright?). I was arguing against the ridiculous notion that we don't have cap room to get a player like markstrom and hanifin. Not only can we, but we can also get another!

im just saying that buch/guentz, hanifin and markstrom are perhaps the 3 top trade targets this year. getting one of them without giving up Ed, kasper, nate, mazur, presumably cossa, augustine, asp, would require a miracle. getting all 3 of them would qualify yzerman for sainthood. not to mention fitting them all under the cap next year.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Deep breaths. So you're calling him a derogatory term because of hear-say?

"But word is he recently rejected a contract extension pitched by the Red Wings and wants a shot at a full-time NHL gig, something he clearly isn’t getting right now in Detroit. Around five teams, including Calgary and Montreal, have expressed interest."

Absolutely not. My comments are about his play and have nothing to do with his contract negotiation. Note, this is not the first time I have criticized this player in this manner. Moreover that derogatory terms is extremely descriptive of the player we are discussing and how he actually plays the game of hockey.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

It's like people don't even watch the games.
Here's his goal reel from last season. But yeah... he avoids high traffic areas like the plague...


And his full highlight reel to see some of the passes he makes.

Completely untouched and in open ice in over half of those goals. But wait, he is Swedish and he is small and this is a Redwings fan board so we should all just set up a Jobu Idol and start worshipping him.

I stand by my criticism of the player. He is in GR because of how he plays, not because of some grand conspiracy against him. Given that the leopard doesn't change his spots, I expect he will be treated the same wherever he lands.