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Jim Benning was the worst GM in the history of mankind.
Patrik Allvin is fair to middling.
Patrik Allvin is fair to middling.
If we run it back without another top 6 forward, expect a Canucks team that struggles to score in the playoffs. We just spent 11.5m on Petey, get him someone to pass the puck to. Guys like Toffoli are plan B, plan A needs to be Guentzel or another point-per-game winger in a trade. With a 7 year deal, you accept that the last 2 years might stink, but we are paying for our window with Hughes, EP, Miller, Hronik Brock and Demko. If we get 5 solid years out of Guentzel, I'm happy.Guentzel at the TDL, ya, go for it but not for 7 years. As a rental it could have been taking a small chance but for 7 years? 7 years is almost a guarantee for big problems on the horizon.
I wonder if a trade by the Canucks, if a fan favourite, is announced just before the Stanley cup game. So it is kind of smothered by the cup game attention.
Certainly IF there is another buyout it has to come within 48 hours of the game ending.
I think most of the FA's will be signed right after the cup final and before the draft. They will have the general idea of FA's available from other team's buyouts and not signing FA's early.
Just how much does the team need to change? If not for the collapse of Pettersson and Boeser's scoring how bad were they? Boeser picked it up in the playoffs playing probably the best games of his career but that last half of the season, not so great. In truth IMO losing Garland would be as bad due to the "CHEMISTRY" that line developed.
Name all the possible saviors at any cost but is it that necessary to max out the cap 2 months before the puck drops again?
Trades happen and Rutherford/Allvin with Tocchet will have an eye out already for cost effective players that fit Tocchet's system.
What does Tocchet want? Well he hasn't tried to hide his types or even those he named. He wants BIG defencemen, he really liked Myers and Zadorov, he liked Joshua.
Do fans think Tocchet's "wants" will be ignored? Myers and Zadorov have already been reported willing to take less than market value to stay so that might mean longer terms. Joshua might be different because it will be his BIG payday of his career.
The fan favourite Rutherford hinted that might be traded has to be a signed core player. Boeser whose contract will be quite big next year if here, they would get the most out of him with one more year on the books. Pettersson? He is locked up for 8 years something that increased his value considerably. Trading a RFA doesn't get as much as a contracted player. Maybe that Necas deal is still out there. Rumors at that time of year are not for short term improvement, that rumour was a "hockey" trade rumour. Any deals now are "hockey" trades. Personally I think there is a very good chance his name comes up in talks.
There are some short term signings with some teams that could be trade partners, Chinakhov at 2.2 mil would fit on any team but the Canucks might have an asset or two they might need.
Of course there is the "IF" which can go either way and has a much better chance of the negative side as time goes on.If we run it back without another top 6 forward, expect a Canucks team that struggles to score in the playoffs. We just spent 11.5m on Petey, get him someone to pass the puck to. Guys like Toffoli are plan B, plan A needs to be Guentzel or another point-per-game winger in a trade. With a 7 year deal, you accept that the last 2 years might stink, but we are paying for our window with Hughes, EP, Miller, Hronik Brock and Demko. If we get 5 solid years out of Guentzel, I'm happy.
Do you think they live here year round? For Stamkos it is actually a tax break from Canadian taxes if his residence is in Florida.Stamkos would never sign here. From Florida to rain soaked Vancouver? And for what exactly? Not a shot at a cup.
While I will always support the team, including whoever is in the GM seat, if we were to compare the two, they aren't in the same league. That said, JB was far from the worst GM in the league. he wasn't even the worst GM on the team. some of you have short memories and have blocked out the 70s and 80s. There is, however, some value in looking at PA's moves to date with a critical eye.
Harmonic for a third was pretty good value, and he drafted well from that spot. (EP2)
Third for Dermott... Dermott's a walking injury but has since done well with Arizona
Motte for a 4th... probably could have got more value
Dickinson and a 2nd for Stillman... got crushed on this deal
Dipietro & Myrenburg for Studnica... Dipi doing well in the A and Myrenburg a developing resource in exchange for nothing.
5th for Bear & Peterson... not bad, worth it for Bear alone, too bad we couldn't have kept him
Horvat for Beauvilier, Raty and a first... only Raty remains in the system
Lockwood for Kravtsov... kind of a wash
Stillman for Bloom... Looking good
Schenn for a 3rd... might have got a 2nd, but regardless it looks like we dealt him at his peak
1st & 2nd for Hronek & 4th... looking great so far
Lazar for a 4th... Lazar had a good year in Jersey this year
Kalynuk for futures...
Pearson & 3rd for Desmith... I wanted Silovs as backup after his performance last year - perhaps could have gotten better value for those assets
5th for Lafferty.... looked great at the beginning, but Sam trailed off halfway through the year
Rathbone & Plasek for Friedman & Glover... I'd rather have 'boner
Beauvillier for 5th... horrible deal
5th & 3rd for Zaddy... seemed decent at the time but turned into great value. Not worth 6x6
Studnicka for Cicek & 6th... looks like Cicek had a good year, but lost value in the Studnicka experiment
Kuzy, Jurmo, Bryz, 1st, 4th for Lindholm... yes it turned out poorly but teams make crazy deals for rentals every year (which I'm never a fan of). Much rather keep Bryz
OEL buyout... Sure the trade was bad turned out he did just fine in Florida. With a little patience, he could have had a good year for us.
I think he's done quite well but certainly not perfect. Were trading away draft picks again which I'm not particularly happy with either...
You haven't read many of my posts then. These long winded posts come from posters continually messaging they don't understand because the sponsored sports shows are saying something else. What the sponsors want fans to think. So I got sucked in and try to explain details that are ignored. This is not a video game.Yikes.... could someone give me the Gettysburg address in crib notes? That might be the longest winded rant I've ever seen.
He already did with his anti Boeser smear campaign a while back.OOooof, how to lose credibility in one post.
Jim Benning was the worst GM in the history of mankind.
Patrik Allvin is fair to middling.
Fredo or Wacky Wang? Tough choice. I'll lean towards Wang as he 'earned his bones' at least. Frankie was born with a silver spoon up his ass.Chiarelli had cost controlled McDavid, Draisatl and prime Nuge/Hall/Eberle and he couldnt get it done. Still think he was worse.
And let's not forget Milbury
I've never had any credibility to lose.OOooof, how to lose credibility in one post.
*looks around at angry mob*Chiarelli had cost controlled McDavid, Draisatl and prime Nuge/Hall/Eberle and he couldnt get it done. Still think he was worse.
And let's not forget Milbury
*looks around at angry mob*
I wish I had your courage DS7.
Nothing.What was wrong with the Beauvillier deal?
There is no way that Rutherford/Allvin have yet reached the ineptitude of Benning. In just about EVERY category he leads.Yes, Jim Benning did a thing! Patrick Allvin has also done a thing! Therefore they must be the same!!!
It was a weird angle some people kept playing in the first season and a half of new management with the Canucks out of the playoffs. But to still do it after the successful season the team just had, with award nominations all over? Now it's just ridiculous.
I don't know but this always felt to me like some remnant of Benning bro's quietly trying to absolve Benning, trying to undercut the blackhole of ineptitude from 8 years of Benning by saying 'but are the new guys really that better?'
Not sure the value in evaluating his moves 1 by 1. hiring Tocchet and rest of the coaching staff, making Hughes the captain and resetting the culture and then getting the whole group to buy into playing the right way are the most important things they have done so far. I think from this point onward, it’s about getting players that can raise the ceiling and then they can make like 10 moves and if only like 2 or 3 ends up doing that, that’s all it matters.While I will always support the team, including whoever is in the GM seat, if we were to compare the two, they aren't in the same league. That said, JB was far from the worst GM in the league. he wasn't even the worst GM on the team. some of you have short memories and have blocked out the 70s and 80s. There is, however, some value in looking at PA's moves to date with a critical eye.
Harmonic for a third was pretty good value, and he drafted well from that spot. (EP2)
Third for Dermott... Dermott's a walking injury but has since done well with Arizona
Motte for a 4th... probably could have got more value
Dickinson and a 2nd for Stillman... got crushed on this deal
Dipietro & Myrenburg for Studnica... Dipi doing well in the A and Myrenburg a developing resource in exchange for nothing.
5th for Bear & Peterson... not bad, worth it for Bear alone, too bad we couldn't have kept him
Horvat for Beauvilier, Raty and a first... only Raty remains in the system
Lockwood for Kravtsov... kind of a wash
Stillman for Bloom... Looking good
Schenn for a 3rd... might have got a 2nd, but regardless it looks like we dealt him at his peak
1st & 2nd for Hronek & 4th... looking great so far
Lazar for a 4th... Lazar had a good year in Jersey this year
Kalynuk for futures...
Pearson & 3rd for Desmith... I wanted Silovs as backup after his performance last year - perhaps could have gotten better value for those assets
5th for Lafferty.... looked great at the beginning, but Sam trailed off halfway through the year
Rathbone & Plasek for Friedman & Glover... I'd rather have 'boner
Beauvillier for 5th... horrible deal
5th & 3rd for Zaddy... seemed decent at the time but turned into great value. Not worth 6x6
Studnicka for Cicek & 6th... looks like Cicek had a good year, but lost value in the Studnicka experiment
Kuzy, Jurmo, Bryz, 1st, 4th for Lindholm... yes it turned out poorly but teams make crazy deals for rentals every year (which I'm never a fan of). Much rather keep Bryz
OEL buyout... Sure the trade was bad turned out he did just fine in Florida. With a little patience, he could have had a good year for us.
I think he's done quite well but certainly not perfect. Were trading away draft picks again which I'm not particularly happy with either...
With all that fear of a repeat it is worth a comparison.
I hope you're right. Really do. Just after 8 years of Benning, all the promises, talk and media support.It's really not. There is no fear of a repeat. This mgmt group hasn't given one iota of similarity to the past group.
lol.*looks around at angry mob*
I wish I had your courage DS7.
Mathonwy, you cut me to the quick!Jim Benning was the worst GM in the history of mankind.