Sportsnet: Bennett has asked for a trade [ Part II ]

[Ledge And Dairy]

A left hand shot verses a right hand shot.

Hits - Bennett 130 per year. Compher 42.

CF% - Bennett 50.8, Compher 47.6

Regular Season Points - Bennett 29 per year, Compher 33 per year

Playoff Season Points - Bennett 19 points (30 games), Compher 17 points (33 games)

Salary - Bennett 2.6M, Compher 3.5M

I think they are pretty close to even, definitely worth considering

 

[DFF]

market value is a 2nd round pick.

Yakupov, reinhart, beartschi are all comparables

Yeah, except in those cases, their teams have already given up.

I don't think the Flames quite gave up on Bennett yet....

Maybe close though. I think this year is his last chance.

 

[DFF]

Seems like similar players. Hows Bennett on the PK and PP? Compher can enter the zone pretty decently on the PP and can PK. He's a decent shot blocker too and has scored clutch goals in OT.

He doesn't play much on pp or pk.... nobody really knows

 

[Patagonia]

I think they are pretty close to even, definitely worth considering

I agree players are very comparable.

Compher NHL career might be slightly higher. Bennett is more physically skilled and higher upside.

Might be a fair trade for both teams.

 

[axlrose87]

Yeah, except in those cases, their teams have already given up.

I don't think the Flames quite gave up on Bennett yet....

Maybe close though. I think this year is his last chance.

Another 11 minute night for him last night.
Pretty safe to say they are close to giving up.
That’s healthy scratch territory for ice time.

 

[CraigsList]

What Roslovic is going in CBJ right now is what I think Bennett could be doing on another team too. Give him the opportunity and he’ll run with it.

 

[DFF]

Another 11 minute night for him last night.
Pretty safe to say they are close to giving up.
That’s healthy scratch territory for ice time.

Sound like you are stalking Sam Bennett....

Don't hold your breath,....they are not giving him away for free.

If you watched the game, he was alright...not great but not bad. The usual Sam Bennett, created some chances but couldn't cash in.

 

[Sparky93]

I agree players are very comparable.

Compher NHL career might be slightly higher. Bennett is more physically skilled and higher upside.

Might be a fair trade for both teams.

Colorado has quite a few guys that could be interesting. Compher, Nichushkin, Jost and possibly even Graves or Timmins.

 

[axlrose87]

No

Sound like you are stalking Sam Bennett....

Don't hold your breath,....they are not giving him away for free.

If you watched the game, he was alright...not great but not bad. The usual Sam Bennett, created some chances but couldn't cash in.

Hahaha no holding my breath.
I’m hoping the leafs add a gritty 4th line checker for cheap at the deadline. He fits the bill.... once people let go of the top 5 pick stuff.

 

[Richard88]

A left hand shot verses a right hand shot.

Hits - Bennett 130 per year. Compher 42.

CF% - Bennett 50.8, Compher 47.6

Regular Season Points - Bennett 29 per year, Compher 33 per year

Playoff Season Points - Bennett 19 points (30 games), Compher 17 points (33 games)

Salary - Bennett 2.6M, Compher 3.5M

I can also pick out some stats to make a counter argument...


Regular season point per game last 2 seasons:

• Bennett: 41 points in 134 games = 0.30 ppg (24.6 point pace in 82 game season)

• Compher: 65 points in 144 games = 0.45 ppg (36.9 point pace in 82 game season)

Career OZstart % vs DZ start %:

• Bennett: 55% OZ / 45% DZ

• Compher: 46.2% OZ / 53.2% DZ

Career PIM's:

• Bennett: 0.81 PIM/game (roughly equivalent to a minor penalty ever 2.5 games)

• Compher: 0.37 PIM/game (roughly equivalent to a minor penalty every 6 games)

Penalty killing this season:

• Bennett: 0:36 TOI on the PK (7th highest among Calgary forwards)

• Compher: 2:30 TOI on the PK (2nd highest among forwards on Colorado which has the #1 ranked PK in the league)

Based on these stats, Compher scores at a rate 50% higher than Bennett in the regular season with 8.8% less OZ starts.

Compher also contributes much more positively on special teams than Bennett. First of all by taking less than half as many penalties as Bennett. And secondly he plays on the 1st PK unit of the leagues #1 ranked PK.

 

[Patagonia]

Colorado has quite a few guys that could be interesting. Compher, Nichushkin, Jost and possibly even Graves or Timmins.

I'm not sure about the other players beyond Compher:

• Nichushkin. Solid bottom pairing defensive specialist. Can barely score, but an excellent depth player.
• Jost. Cheap deal and having an excellent season defensively. He's beginning to show improvement.
• Graves. Possible, but CGY needs to add a pick ie. 2nd.
• Timmins. Another possibility, but needed while the chronically injured RHD - EJ is recovering.

Bennett would be a nice bottom pairing role, no different than with CGY. Simple trade between players in similar roles is the reason Compher would be the likely player being offered.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I can also pick out some stats to make a counter argument...


Regular season point per game last 2 seasons:

• Bennett: 41 points in 134 games = 0.30 ppg (24.6 point pace in 82 game season)

• Compher: 65 points in 144 games = 0.45 ppg (36.9 point page in 82 game season)

Career OZstart % vs DZ start %:

• Bennett: 55% OZ / 45% DZ

• Compher: 46.2% OZ / 53.2% DZ

Career PIM's:

• Bennett: 0.81 PIM/game (roughly equivalent to a minor penalty ever 2.5 games)

• Compher: 0.37 PIM/game (roughly equivalent to a minor penalty every 6 games)

Penalty killing this season:

• Bennett: 0:36 TOI on the PK (7th highest among Calgary forwards)
• Compher: 2:30 TOI on the PK (2nd highest among forwards on Colorado which has the #1 ranked PK in the league)

Based on these stats, Compher scores at a rate 50% higher than Bennett in the regular season with 8.8% less OZ starts.

Compher also contributes much more positively on special teams than Bennett. First of all by taking less than half as many penalties as Bennett. And secondly he plays on the 1st PK unit of the leagues #1 ranked PK.

And the bulk of this data is compiled with Compher playing out of position.

 

[DFF]

No

Hahaha no holding my breath.
I’m hoping the leafs add a gritty 4th line checker for cheap at the deadline. He fits the bill.... once people let go of the top 5 pick stuff.

No worry, real people let that go along time ago

 

[CraigsList]

I can also pick out some stats to make a counter argument...


Regular season point per game last 2 seasons:

• Bennett: 41 points in 134 games = 0.30 ppg (24.6 point pace in 82 game season)

• Compher: 65 points in 144 games = 0.45 ppg (36.9 point pace in 82 game season)

Career OZstart % vs DZ start %:

• Bennett: 55% OZ / 45% DZ

• Compher: 46.2% OZ / 53.2% DZ

Career PIM's:

• Bennett: 0.81 PIM/game (roughly equivalent to a minor penalty ever 2.5 games)

• Compher: 0.37 PIM/game (roughly equivalent to a minor penalty every 6 games)

Penalty killing this season:

• Bennett: 0:36 TOI on the PK (7th highest among Calgary forwards)

• Compher: 2:30 TOI on the PK (2nd highest among forwards on Colorado which has the #1 ranked PK in the league)

Based on these stats, Compher scores at a rate 50% higher than Bennett in the regular season with 8.8% less OZ starts.

Compher also contributes much more positively on special teams than Bennett. First of all by taking less than half as many penalties as Bennett. And secondly he plays on the 1st PK unit of the leagues #1 ranked PK.

then keep Compher

 

[MattyNew91]

For the leafs I think he would be the guy that could fit what we are looking for in our top 6. He's getting to play with Monahan and Gaudreau right now but not getting hardly if any pp or pk time. Granted it's been 3 games but his 1st game got 11min and change 2nd game 15min and 3rd game just under 12min. Not sure why he's not getting any special teams time but I feel the leafs could use him on the pp and pk if he his defense is good enough. Not sure what it would cost or if the leafs have what the flames are looking for but he's been someone I have always liked even if he hasn't panned out what he's supposed to be. I think a change of scenery would be good for him and give him some special teams minutes as long as expectations are not Doug Gilmour high bc he wears the number but he still has potential and could end up being a guy thay does well for us. Nick Ritchie at least this year looks like the guy that he's supposed to be.

 

[Richard88]

I'm not sure about the other players beyond Compher:

• Nichushkin. Solid bottom pairing defensive specialist. Can barely score, but an excellent depth player.
• Jost. Cheap deal and having an excellent season defensively. He's beginning to show improvement.
• Graves. Possible, but CGY needs to add a pick ie. 2nd.
• Timmins. Another possibility, but needed while the chronically injured RHD - EJ is recovering.

Bennett would be a nice bottom pairing role, no different than with CGY. Simple trade between players in similar roles is the reason Compher would be the likely player being offered.

To build on what you said:

• Nichuskin: Finished 8th in Selke voting last season, on the back of -23% xGA/60 metrics relative to the rest of the league. -15% is considered elite especially for forwards who also score (eg. Patrice Bergeron -16%). Beyond -20% is the territory of elite pure defensive guys like Cizikas (-23%) and Nichuskin. There's absolutely no way Avs would trade this guy, especially since he's signed to a really nice deal at $2.5m with some term.

• Jost: Has extremely good defensive metrics this season, both at 5v5 and on the PK. Granted he doesn't play that much against opponents top lines at 5v5, but putting up those shutdown metrics at 5v5 with only a $874k caphit is extremely valuable to a cap ceiling team.

• Graves: He's not excelling as much in a bottom pairing role, but he showed last season that he's at least capable of holding his own in a bigger role next to a playdriving D partner. I'm not against trading him in general, but moving him for anything less than a solid 3C or an overpayment makes no sense for Colorado.

• Timmins: As with Graves he has shown flashes of developing into a steady top 4 Dman already as a rookie. Young puckmoving RHD's are extremely valuable around the league so Avs shouldn't trade him away for a bottom 6 forward like Bennett.

If a trade happens the only thing that really makes sense from an Avs perspective during the season is a direct swap for Bennett involving Compher. Alternatively an offseason trade could happen involving picks or futures if that's the direction Calgary want to go in instead of a hockey trade.

 

[Richard88]

then keep Compher

By posting those stats I didn't necessarily mean to imply that Compher is miles better than Bennett.

Rather, I was simply illustrating that a comparison between the two is much closer than what @Nanuuk suggested by only hand-picking a select few stats that were all in favour of Bennett. Both players have positive aspects, and both players have negative aspects.

I think it's fair to say that Compher is a better all-round player given his point production and play on special teams, but that Bennett has unique skills and intangibles that make him valuable as well. Overall their trade value is pretty close, and that's why both sides keep bringing it up as a potentially fair trade for both teams.

 

[Sparky93]

To build on what you said:

• Nichuskin: Finished 8th in Selke voting last season, on the back of -23% xGA/60 metrics relative to the rest of the league. -15% is considered elite especially for forwards who also score (eg. Patrice Bergeron -16%). Beyond -20% is the territory of elite pure defensive guys like Cizikas (-23%) and Nichuskin. There's absolutely no way Avs would trade this guy, especially since he's signed to a really nice deal at $2.5m with some term.

• Jost: Has extremely good defensive metrics this season, both at 5v5 and on the PK. Granted he doesn't play that much against opponents top lines at 5v5, but putting up those shutdown metrics at 5v5 with only a $874k caphit is extremely valuable to a cap ceiling team.

• Graves: He's not excelling as much in a bottom pairing role, but he showed last season that he's at least capable of holding his own in a bigger role next to a playdriving D partner. I'm not against trading him in general, but moving him for anything less than a solid 3C or an overpayment makes no sense for Colorado.

• Timmins: As with Graves he has shown flashes of developing into a steady top 4 Dman already as a rookie. Young puckmoving RHD's are extremely valuable around the league so Avs shouldn't trade him away for a bottom 6 forward like Bennett.

If a trade happens the only thing that really makes sense from an Avs perspective during the season is a direct swap for Bennett involving Compher. Alternatively an offseason trade could happen involving picks or futures if that's the direction Calgary want to go in instead of a hockey trade.

Compher really doesn't do much for us. He wouldn't be playing center for us and if the other guys are off the table, then there's really not much to discuss.

 

[Rubi]

then keep Compher

Avs fan: Uh... hold on now... Don't walk away. I'm sure we can work something out. We Avs are more than willing to trade a superior Compher for an inferior Bennett... just because we're nice guys and we want to help you guys out. Have we got a deal?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

He's been really good playing with Gaudreau in Monahan over the last 3 games, despite playing on the wing. Still, I don't think it's any coincidence that the team is 3-0 over that stretch. He's been the best player on that line in 2 of those games. He's had a real positive impact on Gaudreau's game as well, he has noticeably more space and is playing with a lot more flow - they've had several really nice give and go plays between the two of them.

Go watch the first period of Calgary vs Winnipeg to see what I am talking about. Kid could have easily had 3 points in that period alone.

It's the first time I can ever remember Gaudreau having a consistent linemate who can carry the puck through the neutral zone and back off defenders with his speed. He's had 5 or 6 really nice "center" rushes where he's skating through traffic and making plays. He so misplaced on the wing it's frightening - not sure I can think of any other center who is more misplaced on the wing than Sam Bennett.

Here's a few plays from the last 3 games that show more or less what I am talking about:







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[CraigsList]

By posting those stats I didn't necessarily mean to imply that Compher is miles better than Bennett.

Rather, I was simply illustrating that a comparison between the two is much closer than what @Nanuuk suggested by only hand-picking a select few stats that were all in favour of Bennett. Both players have positive aspects, and both players have negative aspects.

I think it's fair to say that Compher is a better all-round player given his point production and play on special teams, but that Bennett has unique skills and intangibles that make him valuable as well. Overall their trade value is pretty close, and that's why both sides keep bringing it up as a potentially fair trade for both teams.

And at this point I would consider Compher’s value quite lower than Bennett based on the contract durations. There’s a reason why you’re trying to dump Compher, you’re gonna need that cap space to re-sign important members on your team.

 

[Richard88]

And at this point I would consider Compher’s value quite lower than Bennett based on the contract durations. There’s a reason why you’re trying to dump Compher, you’re gonna need that cap space to re-sign important members on your team.

And what's wrong with that? Contenders regularly trade away good players because they're deep and need to optimise their capspace when their top guys need contracts. For example just this past offseason Tampa tried to trade Johnson, and NYI traded Toews just weeks after reaching the conference final.

Most teams don't have the luxury of having a player like Compher as a depth piece, which is what he'll be from next season onwards once Newhook joins and takes over the 3C job.

Avs aren't really in any particular rush to offload Compher either. They'll likely have enough capspace accrued to be able to add a 3C at the deadline, thereby making Compher the teams 4RW which would be awesome. He's a lot better on the wing, and having a player like him on the 4th line in the playoffs is a nice luxury.

After the Expansion draft there will also be plenty of teams looking to replace their 5th-8th best forwards which will create a decent market for players like him. By then his 2 year term will also look very manageable for an acquiring team.

 

[John Mandalorian]

And at this point I would consider Compher’s value quite lower than Bennett based on the contract durations. There’s a reason why you’re trying to dump Compher, you’re gonna need that cap space to re-sign important members on your team.

As it is now, the Avs are paying 3RW 7.4 m (Compher and Donskoi). Compher is not a C but he’s playing it out of necessity. Donskoi at 3.9 has more production than Compher at 3.5. They’re both ok as 3Ws, but it’s kind of absurd for the Avs to be paying 7.5 for 3RW while having no 3C.

This trade doesn’t address 3C necessarily but it removes a redundancy while adding a player who can bring some physicality. If it clicks for Bennett and he can handle 3C, great. It’s not likely but it’s probably worth the audition.

 

[Kranix]

He's been really good playing with Gaudreau in Monahan over the last 3 games, despite playing on the wing. Still, I don't think it's any coincidence that the team is 3-0 over that stretch. He's been the best player on that line in 2 of those games. He's had a real positive impact on Gaudreau's game as well, he has noticeably more space and is playing with a lot more flow - they've had several really nice give and go plays between the two of them.

Go watch the first period of Calgary vs Winnipeg to see what I am talking about. Kid could have easily had 3 points in that period alone.

It's the first time I can ever remember Gaudreau having a consistent linemate who can carry the puck through the neutral zone and back off defenders with his speed. He's had 5 or 6 really nice "center" rushes where he's skating through traffic and making plays. He so misplaced on the wing it's frightening - not sure I can think of any other center who is more misplaced on the wing than Sam Bennett.

Here's a few plays from the last 3 games that show more or less what I am talking about:







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Lombardi-esque.

 

[DFF]

He's been really good playing with Gaudreau in Monahan over the last 3 games, despite playing on the wing. Still, I don't think it's any coincidence that the team is 3-0 over that stretch. He's been the best player on that line in 2 of those games. He's had a real positive impact on Gaudreau's game as well, he has noticeably more space and is playing with a lot more flow - they've had several really nice give and go plays between the two of them.

Go watch the first period of Calgary vs Winnipeg to see what I am talking about. Kid could have easily had 3 points in that period alone.

It's the first time I can ever remember Gaudreau having a consistent linemate who can carry the puck through the neutral zone and back off defenders with his speed. He's had 5 or 6 really nice "center" rushes where he's skating through traffic and making plays. He so misplaced on the wing it's frightening - not sure I can think of any other center who is more misplaced on the wing than Sam Bennett.

Here's a few plays from the last 3 games that show more or less what I am talking about:







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The third one is typical Bennett... can't finish the job... maybe one day...