Ben Scrivens

[JMcLeaf]

I don't really see how it's a weakness though. He holds his hand up at the top part of the net and swings down towards the puck if it's going lower to the glove side, whereas most goalies hold their hand lower and have to move it up if the puck is going high glove side.

If you wanna get scientific it's easier to work with gravity than against it.

Could be hard for him to get pucks near the side of his body on his glove side because his elbow is so high up. A goalie like Lundqvist just has to quickly move his arm a short distance to against his body. That distance Scrivens has to move his arm is plenty of time for a puck to sneak on through.

 

[Sundinftw]

Looking for hype after one game? The quintessential leafs fan

 

[TheDoubleDion87]

Looking for hype after one game? The quintessential leafs fan

No. As I stated in my OP I'm not basing this off his first game in which I'll be the first to admit he looked shaky and unspectacular. His rebound control is something that needed improvement, but as I'm sure you know 1 game isn't much to go off.

 

[TheDoubleDion87]

Could be hard for him to get pucks near the side of his body on his glove side because his elbow is so high up. A goalie like Lundqvist just has to quickly move his arm a short distance to against his body. That distance Scrivens has to move his arm is plenty of time for a puck to sneak on through.

He's just replacing one hole with another. You could say the same thing about Lundqvist who has to move his arm up in order to cover the top of the net, that's not an issue for Scrivens.

 

[The Blue Devil]

No. As I stated in my OP I'm not basing this off his first game in which I'll be the first to admit he looked shaky and unspectacular. His rebound control is something that needed improvement, but as I'm sure you know 1 game isn't much to go off.

One thing that you're gonna have to get used to is that most posters don't actually read the post or they just skip over the main statement because it doesn't intrigue them and they want to get some smart ass comment in.

 

[thewave]

what point are you trying to make here?

I think in his mind he will be harder to snipe top shelf against but at the same time that mid area is weak. He was almost handcuffed the last game and had to emergency chicken wing oh dear.

 

[TheDoubleDion87]

I think in his mind he will be harder to snipe top shelf against but at the same time that mid area is weak. He was almost handcuffed the last game and had to emergency chicken wing oh dear.

So it appeared.

 

[thewave]

So it appeared.

I think he is going to be shot at a lot right there. Just a hunch from the slot and with the harder shots and deflections he is going to have to make NHL adjustments.

 

[FifthLine]

I hope we give Rynnas a shot at some point if he continues his stellar play. Go look up his stats this season, unreal.

 

[TheDoubleDion87]

I think he is going to be shot at a lot right there. Just a hunch from the slot and with the harder shots and deflections he is going to have to make NHL adjustments.

I agree. I think it may turn out to be an advantage. It's going to have to be in order for him to succeed. I think his unique style may be the reason he's gotten as far as he has. imo he's succeeded because of it and not despite it.

 

[thewave]

He's just replacing one hole with another. You could say the same thing about Lundqvist who has to move his arm up in order to cover the top of the net, that's not an issue for Scrivens.

They choose the middle for best average reaction time. I was experimenting and it's awkward to close up. Also if you get a piece of the puck on a down stroke you could knock it down and in the net. If you get it on the up it is more likely over the net.

 

[thewave]

I agree. I think it may turn out to be an advantage. It's going to have to be in order for him to succeed. I think his unique style may be the reason he's gotten as far as he has. imo he's succeeded because of it and not despite it.

It doesn't seem logical though.

 

[TheDoubleDion87]

They choose the middle for best average reaction time. I was experimenting and it's awkward to close up. Also if you get a piece of the puck on a down stroke you could knock it down and in the net. If you get it on the up it is more likely over the net.

After years of practice I doubt it being awkward is an issue for him.

 

[TheDoubleDion87]

It doesn't seem logical though.

An irrelevant statement without anything to back it up.

 

[thewave]

An irrelevant statement without anything to back it up.

The time for him to drop is glove is twice that compared to Iif the glove is half the distance to begin with.

 

[TheDoubleDion87]

The time for him to drop is glove is twice that compared to Iif the glove is half the distance to begin with.

How often do you see goalies get beat high to the glove side?

If you wanna factor in gravity I doubt it takes him twice as long to lower his glove as it does for a traditional goalie to raise his.

 

[diceman934]

An irrelevant statement without anything to back it up.

There are holes in his theory.....when moving your arm you are limited by shoulder and elbow movement. This technique limits your downward and away from the body movement a great deal, as your elbow only flexes in one direction. The elbow is limited in its ability to move. A traditional goalie is taught to keep his elbows in as his arm moves faster then his elbow can.....it is faster to move your forearm up and down from this position then it is to from Scriven's arm nearly straight out position with elbow fully flexed.....logic is one thing, fighting natural body part movements is another.

This technique has some flaws and the better shooters will expose it. Another thing that this does is change his blocker positioning which effects his stick positioning......a major reason why he gives up so many big rebounds.....I dislike his stick positioning a lot.

 

[Phatic]

I don't really see how it's a weakness though. He holds his hand up at the top part of the net and swings down towards the puck if it's going lower to the glove side, whereas most goalies hold their hand lower and have to move it up if the puck is going high glove side.

If you wanna get scientific it's easier to work with gravity than against it.

I understand the thinking here but some questions come to mind about the effectiveness. To me, following an objects direction of travel is much easier then opposing it. And as for the whole momentum/gravity deal: this works against him maintaining his glove position; as he drops, so too do his shoulder and arm (likely why you see everyone trying to beat him high glove).

I think his technique was developed to work around a weakness and good on him for doing so if that is in fact the case. Regardless, his set up forces players to shoot to holes that they are not accustomed to, which works to his advantage Id suspect.

My personal opinion: neither Scrivens nor Reimer show anything spectacular. Id rather have Gustafsson back with a different goalie coach. Allaire destroyed him... he would have been much better off playing like Hasek: all reaction, no technique

 

[thewave]

There are holes in his theory.....when moving your arm you are limited by shoulder and elbow movement. This technique limits your downward and away from the body movement a great deal, as your elbow only flexes in one direction. The elbow is limited in its ability to move. A traditional goalie is taught to keep his elbows in as his arm moves faster then his elbow can.....it is faster to move your forearm up and down from this position then it is to from Scriven's arm nearly straight out position with elbow fully flexed.....logic is one thing, fighting natural body part movements is another.

This technique has some flaws and the better shooters will expose it. Another thing that this does is change his blocker positioning which effects his stick positioning......a major reason why he gives up so many big rebounds.....I dislike his stick positioning a lot.

The elbow I noticed, didn't catch the blocker good eye.

 

[TheDoubleDion87]

There are holes in his theory.....when moving your arm you are limited by shoulder and elbow movement. This technique limits your downward and away from the body movement a great deal, as your elbow only flexes in one direction. The elbow is limited in its ability to move. A traditional goalie is taught to keep his elbows in as his arm moves faster then his elbow can.....it is faster to move your forearm up and down from this position then it is to from Scriven's arm nearly straight out position with elbow fully flexed.....logic is one thing, fighting natural body part movements is another.

This technique has some flaws and the better shooters will expose it. Another thing that this does is change his blocker positioning which effects his stick positioning......a major reason why he gives up so many big rebounds.....I dislike his stick positioning a lot.

I don't think it limits his downward motion at all.

I'm not arguing there is a flaw in his style, but I feel the distinct advantage he has of eliminating the hole that all other goalies leave high to the glove side with worth the negative impact of his style (a hole low to the glove side)

As far as his stick position, I agree to an extent. I don't think it's something he can't overcome with the proper coaching though and don't feel it's a huge issue, but it is something that needs improvement.

I'm not arguing he has some adjustments to make, as do all rookie goalies.

And just to be clear I don't think he's going to be the second coming of jesus christ or anything, but I do think he can be a decent NHL starter.

 

[Phatic]

There are holes in his theory.....when moving your arm you are limited by shoulder and elbow movement. This technique limits your downward and away from the body movement a great deal, as your elbow only flexes in one direction. The elbow is limited in its ability to move. A traditional goalie is taught to keep his elbows in as his arm moves faster then his elbow can.....it is faster to move your forearm up and down from this position then it is to from Scriven's arm nearly straight out position with elbow fully flexed.....logic is one thing, fighting natural body part movements is another.

This technique has some flaws and the better shooters will expose it. Another thing that this does is change his blocker positioning which effects his stick positioning......a major reason why he gives up so many big rebounds.....I dislike his stick positioning a lot.

i considered bringing this up but didnt know how best to say it (was thinking more along the lines of working on 2 different planes with the arm instead of 1.) well said

 

[thewave]

I understand the thinking here but some questions come to mind about the effectiveness. To me, following an objects direction of travel is much easier then opposing it. And as for the whole momentum/gravity deal: this works against him maintaining his glove position; as he drops, so too do his shoulder and arm (likely why you see everyone trying to beat him high glove).

I think his technique was developed to work around a weakness and good on him for doing so if that is in fact the case. Regardless, his set up forces players to shoot to holes that they are not accustomed to, which works to his advantage Id suspect.

My personal opinion: neither Scrivens nor Reimer show anything spectacular. Id rather have Gustafsson back with a different goalie coach. Allaire destroyed him... he would have been much better off playing like Hasek: all reaction, no technique

Agree with the Gus comments

 

[Ohio Jones]

Since the guy's apparently motivated by logic, I'm pretty sure he's aware that he's moved the hole, and through extensive trial and error has found he can work with it. Pretty sure he knows how his elbow bends, too. Doesn't seem to have limited him in his career to date, but if NHL shooters give him reason to adjust I'm confident he will. Just seems to be a thoughtful, considered goalie with a high degree of consistency - never a bad thing.

Does it mean he'll be an elite NHL goalie? Nobody knows. He does appear to have the stuff to at least be a good NHL goalie, and that's enough for now.

I hope we give Rynnas a shot at some point if he continues his stellar play. Go look up his stats this season, unreal.

The best part about not having mortgaged the future in a Luongo deal is giving this guy the keys to the Marlies for the rest of the season. Interesting that with two young goalies on the Leafs, the best goalie in the system may actually be in the AHL. We'll see.

 

[TheDoubleDion87]

I understand the thinking here but some questions come to mind about the effectiveness. To me, following an objects direction of travel is much easier then opposing it. And as for the whole momentum/gravity deal: this works against him maintaining his glove position; as he drops, so too do his shoulder and arm (likely why you see everyone trying to beat him high glove).

I think his technique was developed to work around a weakness and good on him for doing so if that is in fact the case. Regardless, his set up forces players to shoot to holes that they are not accustomed to, which works to his advantage Id suspect.

My personal opinion: neither Scrivens nor Reimer show anything spectacular. Id rather have Gustafsson back with a different goalie coach. Allaire destroyed him... he would have been much better off playing like Hasek: all reaction, no technique

I think he's referring more to the fact shooters tend to go high glove side therefore it makes sense for him to put his glove high to the glove side eliminating the preferred target area of most shooters.

 

[Paris in Flames]

I don't get it. We hype an unproven goalie, we're told to calm down. We don't hype an unproven goalie...we're told to be more hyped.

I can't keep up with the expectations of us