CantHaveTkachev
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I love how if someone isn't constantly ripping Skinner for everything it triggers you this much
the Skinner derangement syndrome is real....it's gonna be a rough couple months for you lol
Post-Game Talk: Below average goaltending + below average finishing + below average defense = ugly losses
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the Skinner derangement syndrome is real....it's gonna be a rough couple months for you lol
I know nothing makes you happier than seeing this team lose, so bust out the popcorn and enjoy the show!
Drivesaitl
Finding Hemingway
Its the classic no response. the other poster I was arguing with calls peoples view "deranged" and "delusional" or "deluded" commonly.
Then Can'thave doubling down.
When you can't discuss a point or respond just denounce any other view. Thats all we're seeing.
The Sabres bench we're enjoying the show anyway laughing at our goalies. I'm sure that must be pretty disquieting on the Oilers bench who know that such reactions are not out of place or uncommon.
CantHaveTkachev
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I saw them laughing at our players missing wide open nets and a supposed "offensive juggernaut" only scoring 2 goals on the lowly Sabres
Nobody is convincing anybody Skinner is the victim.
Stop projecting.
I’ll wait for you to find a quote from a single person “defending” Skinner.
Simply pointing out the play in front of him was atrocious, indefensible, and not commensurate with a playoff team is not defending Skinner.
Drivesaitl
Finding Hemingway
Yeah nobody here ever defends Skinner.
Its like a person asking for proof the sky is blue. There were several posters here on the board who's whole apparent occupation is defending Skinner. Obviously not as active now but will be out in full anytime Skinner gets a W. For instance a week ago.
I’ll wait for the quotes. Should be easy to find in this very thread, as you claimed.
You aren't simply pointing out the play in front of him, you are relentlessly deflecting blame, which becomes even more clear when you can't even agree with my plainly true statement that he let in two bad goals. How is that not the same as defending him?
You're implying that Skinner is a victim of the team in front of him due to these chances being allowed, when it's very clear that two of the three goals he allowed were on weak shot attempts that should've been stopped, regardless of the mistakes that allowed those shot attempts to happen.
harpoon
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Apologies for interjecting.
But how does have nothing to do with the standings. Standings are one objective way to measure whether a team is ‘quitting’ or not. Being out of a playoff spot, like the Avs were for some time, could be a slump, injuries or it could be a team just going through the motions because they know they don’t have the roster (ie. quitting).
I don’t personally believe this team has quit, although they sure mailed in a few games. But good lord it must be hard playing pro hockey in front of the goof Skinner.
guymez
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The highlighted is really the crux of this issue.
If they dont change what goes on in front of Skinner we already know the outcome. They wont win shit.
If they do change what goes on in front of Skinner then the outcome could (and likely will) change.
I have no idea why anyone would push back on that reality. Especially since the TDL has passed and we all know Skinner isnt going anywhere.
CantHaveTkachev
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There’s never been a single goal scored in the NHL where the goalie isn’t at fault…their job is to stop the puck and when it goes in, they are to blame.
Saying “he’s not the only one at fault” isn’t deflecting
It’s the truth
Cool, so you think the goaltending is bad, yet you can't admit that the first two goals were his fault? Can you admit that the shot attempts were weak and should've been stopped?
We already know the team is playing like shit all the way down the lineup, but take away those two entirely stoppable goals and the team wins in spite of their lousy performance.
And with the way you're getting all flustered and tossing around insults maybe you should take your own advice, champ?
It really isn’t complicated, but it appears to be for some.
Amazing to me that the folks that are saying Skinner is shit, has always been shit, and has been at basically the same shit level all year are perplexed why we’re losing. If Skinner sucks, and has always sucked, and sucked for every minute this year, then logically the play in front of him is the culprit for the slide we’re in.
Logic appears to escape some.
BlackDogg
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He's just a closet goalie.Every time I listen to that ad, I just sit in disbelief about what he is saying in it.
Drivesaitl
Finding Hemingway
Indeed. The most obvious contributing element to 2/3 goals that were scored was Skinner himself. But hundreds of posts busy suggesting something else was the bigger story.
Yet the poster arguing says the play of the club is atrocious, terrible, offensive, etc while claiming not to be blaming them and not defending Skinner. lol
What we saw in the Buffalo game was routine and happens in many NHL games where a good team plays a bit better than a bad team. usually the good team wins. But with Oilers goaltending theres never any guarantees. But the game wasn't in any way deplorable, or atrocious, or terrible. Its just the kind of hyperbole, bs really, to go round back to blaming team instead of its goaltending. The Oilers were not particularly bad in the Buffalo game. Stating they were atrocious and terrible seems an obvious gambit. Except apparently to the person making the claims.
Its satire. The only thing I see in it. heh.Every time I listen to that ad, I just sit in disbelief about what he is saying in it.
Any commercial that manages to be worse than the Ozempic commercials is something. Maybe Skinner could be in those.
When he's not admitting something that is obvious to anyone with two working eyes who has seen more than a handful of games in their life because he doesn't want to blame the goalie who is mostly at fault, yeah, I'd say he's deflecting.
And I say Skinner is mostly at fault because those two goals were entirely stoppable by most NHL goalies, which most of this board even seemed to agree with. Mistakes and all, missed empty nets and all, it was the two highly stoppable goals that got by him that cost us this game. It was actually winnable.
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KeithIsActuallyBad
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Skinner’s fault we don’t score goals or manage the puck at a base playoff team level.
CantHaveTkachev
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but the Sabres scored 3 goals...how can a team ever overcome a team scoring that many goals?
None of us are perplexed as to why we're losing. McDavid is playing like shit. Secondary scoring is nonexistent. The D has collapsed without a healthy Ekholm. Our coach has become a doofus. And, oh yeah, goaltending...
The difference is, of all of those problems only one of them has been an obvious problem the entire season, dating back to when Skinner was pulled in Game one and finished with a save percentage in the 600s... Our tandem has consistently been in the lower quarter of the entire league in GSAx. And Skinner has consistently fared poorly against top teams.
Even when this team was playing well, many people on here were getting sick of seeing Skinner give up weak, early goals that would sink us, seeing the other team allow fewer high danger chances than us, yet still come closer to winning than they had any right to be. Many of those games we only won because of McDrai in OT. It was obvious that even with the team performing well, our goaltending was our kryptonite.
You guys must be loving this recent collapse because it's giving you a chance to deflect blame from Skinner, ignoring the fact that we could've won the last one with even a league average goalie, much like too many other games this season.
And now you're changing your script to say, "yes, we know he's bad so let's just ignore that. Don't worry about what goals are and aren't on him, let's just blame Bouchard and McDavid and everyone else for everything all the time." The team sucks right now, no doubt, but don't pretend like he's not a major reason why. And don't pretend like he only recently started playing poorly.
He's a comedy poster, but the people who agree with him aren't in on the joke
Looks like we're in agreement then: this team needs to score at least 4 goals a game to win with Skinner in net.
You’re projecting. I haven’t given Skinner a break on those goals at any moment since puck drop last night.
Glad you’re finally able to bring yourself to admit that the play from our best players has been atrocious, and a major contributor to the last month.
We shouldn’t need Skinner to make those saves to beat the Sabres, or at the absolute bare minimum scare the daylights out of them pushing for the tying goal. We did neither.
Do we win that game with a better goalie? Very, very likely. It shouldn’t have to come down to that to beat the Sabres. We shouldn’t have to say “should be a 2-1 win!” against teams like the Sabres. It should have been an 4-1 or 5-2 win. Especially when we rolled over them in the 1st but found ways to not score in a way that was stunning to say the least. Any of our peers in the league are up 2 or 3 zero in the first 10 mins of that game. We found a way to not do that.
Are you kidding me? I had to blink twice to see if someone actually typed this out and hit reply.
We shouldn't need Skinner to make routine saves? That's like...the bare f***ing minimum requirement of his job!
Ugh.
That’s not what I was getting at or even what I said. Read better. Also like how you edited out the part of me calling Skinner out so you could continue to project and put words in my mouth.
You said we should score more against the Sabres so we don't have to rely on Skinner making routine saves. And I'm asking, why should we not rely on Skinner to perform the most basic of tasks allotted to him? Are we lowering the standards for him again?
I left it out because you agreed with me, as we're also in agreement that this team needs to score four goals a game to win with Skinner in net. That's what you're saying here, so what is there to disagree with?
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Apparently we shouldn’t because it’s clear he’s the worst goalie ever or whatever.
Control what you can control. Can’t control the worst goalie ever! that isn’t going to change. I would like the team in front of him to get to where they were from Nov - January. You know, when they were winning games even with Skinner in net. They are in control of that.
Is that ok? To wish for the team to play how they were when they were winning even with Skinner? Or is asking for a baseline level of professionalism and competence from the skaters too much to ask?
If that game was played on Dec 10th and Skinner played identical we still win because we would score goals and not be utterly incompetent without the puck. This isn’t complicated.
Skinner blows and isn’t going to get better. The group in front has WAY more to give. Skinner isn’t going to start stealing games, but the team in front can certainly start doing the basics to win them. Just like they did for about 40games this season.
