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Bedard VS Celebrini

Who's the better player going forward?

  • Connor Bedard

    Votes: 85 45.2%

  • Macklin Celebrini

    Votes: 103 54.8%
  • Total voters
    188
Video Nasty said:
Not in a world where he can only play a maximum of 70 games this season. Even his current stats don’t project to 30 and 75 over the course of a full 82.

On a side note, anyone know what the worst plus/minus is for any notable talent to start their career? Bedard is currently -64 though 115 games. Feels like it has to be among the worst ever.
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I know Ristolainen was -53 after 2 seasons with the terrible Sabres teams.
 
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There's a lot of recency bias here. Bedard hasn't quite been as good as he may have been this season but what he did last year with an awful team was unreal. He was not far off a ppg and Jason Dickinson was the only other player to have 20 goals.

This year is a learning curve and I'm sure he's still going to be a star.
 
Crazy that if you did this poll before either played a game in the NHL (ignoring they are different draft years) Bedard would have probably won in a landslide.
 
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Just here to hype Celebrini’s celerebral play- dude is smart as shit at hockey. Like, you just see him finding the gaps in the defense he wouldn’t have seen game 1. Incredible vision and compete, dude is a gamer through and through.

Blackhawks should trade Bedard sooner rather than later, but they won’t. They’re ruining any chance he had of being special by puttin him out there on a gongshow squad, and he’s not quite good enough to do it all solo. Celebrini has a supporting cast and they’re all developing together, Bedard is on an island with scant supplies to build a raft.
 
Hard to choose.....if only they were on the same team so we could see them against the same competition with the same supporting teammates.....I know, send them both to the Canucks and we can observe them in action for a decade or so....
 
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WarriorofTime said:
No I would love a detailed breakdown of why the Hawks are a gong show with Bedard on an island and the sharks have a supporting cast all developing together.
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Well you see how 32 is an older age for an NHLer if you’re rebuilding, right? It goes 19, 20, 21, 22, etc, until you get to 32. Celebrini, Eklund, and Smith are all great prospects at that 22 number or younger. Blackhawks.. have Bedard. 3>1, lemme know if further breakdown of basic numbers is necessary.
 
TheDawnOfANewTage said:
Well you see how 32 is an older age for an NHLer if you’re rebuilding, right? It goes 19, 20, 21, 22, etc, until you get to 32. Celebrini, Eklund, and Smith are all great prospects at that 22 number or younger. Blackhawks.. have Bedard. 3>1, lemme know if further breakdown of basic numbers is necessary.
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Ah my mistake. I thought you actually were trying to make a point that went beyond sharks are stronger with young forwards, hawks stronger with young defensemen but would appear not. How that translates to “gong show” versus “supporting cast all developing together” seems to be a whiff on your end.
 
x Tame Impala said:
The Sharks are developing into a f***ing shit team just like the Sabers. They need as much improvement as any gutter team.
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Celebrini is an amazing centre to build around. The Sharks are still building and 3-4 years away from the pressures that come with changing from rebuilding to competing to win. The Sabres have been in that compete to win stage for several years and can’t turn it around. They don’t have a centre like Celebrini though. They had one in Eichel but lost him. Imo Bedard is not a centre to build a winning team around.
 
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TheDawnOfANewTage said:
Just here to hype Celebrini’s celerebral play- dude is smart as shit at hockey. Like, you just see him finding the gaps in the defense he wouldn’t have seen game 1. Incredible vision and compete, dude is a gamer through and through.

Blackhawks should trade Bedard sooner rather than later, but they won’t. They’re ruining any chance he had of being special by puttin him out there on a gongshow squad, and he’s not quite good enough to do it all solo. Celebrini has a supporting cast and they’re all developing together, Bedard is on an island with scant supplies to build a raft.
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If the Hawks are a gong show team so are the Sharks lol. Go look at the f***ing standings you goober jesus f***.
 
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Callidusblackhawk said:
If the Hawks are a gong show team so are the Sharks lol. Go look at the f***ing standings you goober jesus f***.
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Why are you so angry and hateful? I suggest some introspection and meditation.

And Bedard was drafted a year before Celebrini. Are they a year ahead in their rebuild? Let’s leave mean words out of it, let’s get to the bottom of why you’re so mad- the Sharks are building, the Blackhawks are a bunch of “goobers”. You know I’m right.
 
TheDawnOfANewTage said:
Why are you so angry and hateful? I suggest some introspection and meditation.

And Bedard was drafted a year before Celebrini. Are they a year ahead in their rebuild? Let’s leave mean words out of it, let’s get to the bottom of why you’re so mad- the Sharks are building, the Blackhawks are a bunch of “goobers”. You know I’m right.
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I just don't like people who are weirdly smug while being wrong.

It would be cool if you could explain why the Sharks are "building" and the Blackhawks aren't.
 
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Fatass said:
Celebrini is an amazing centre to build around. The Sharks are still building and 3-4 years away from the pressures that come with changing from rebuilding to competing to win. The Sabres have been in that compete to win stage for several years and can’t turn it around. They don’t have a centre like Celebrini though. They had one in Eichel but lost him. Imo Bedard is not a centre to build a winning team around.
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They have to add a lot of substantially talented D prospects to their system. Those typically take longer to develop than forwards. The Hawks are doing well in that regard and they’ve been a worse team when Brodie, Martinez, Jones, and Murphy are all in the lineup as opposed to the kids.

The Hawks are absolutely lacking in forward talent and Bedard is on an island out there. No denying that. I just don’t see how the Sharks are overwhelmingly perceived as having a better rebuild at this stage when they’re clearly a worse team than even the disasterous Blackhawks. Askarov most likely isn’t their answer in net either.
 
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Hawks fans, please try not to get irate, it's making the rest of us look bad.

Sharks are loaded up front but shit at D (outside Dickinson). Hawks are loaded on D but shit up front (outside of Bedard).

Think the best way we solve this conodrum is by having these organizations merge together, playing half the games in the Bay and half in the Windy City. Maybe Chicago gets October, November, and April, while San Jose gets December, January, and February; March gets split in half. This way the team doesn't have to deal with the Chicago winters.

Now you might be asking yourself what the f*** does this have to do with the poll, and the answer is nothing. But it's still better than some of the posts that preceded this one, so you are welcome.
 
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Callidusblackhawk said:
I just don't like people who are weirdly smug while being wrong.

It would be cool if you could explain why the Sharks are "building" and the Blackhawks aren't.
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I’m not smug, I have an opinion. I can’t really be wrong about it until a few years from now. I explained that the sharks have 3 great young players, Blackhawks have a #1 OA struggling on an island. But sure, it’s me that you’re mad at, not the state of your team.
 
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