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Pertti said:
1)Thinking that Misa is automatically better than Bedard is dream scenario

2)Nazar haven't done anything that makes me think that he is top 6 forward and any where near equal to Bedard
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where did I say Misa would be better than Bedard? and where did I say Nazar is better than Bedard? Also, you don't see the top 6 potential with Nazar?
 
They are different players.....Bedard is not as well rounded and doesn't have Nazer's breakaway speed. Nazar doesn't have Bedard's shot or vision. If Nazer starts buying some of these breakaways, this will become a very healthy debate.
 
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Based purely on eye test I think Nazar is more of a net positive than Bedard right now

Bedard is miles ahead skill wise but Nazar is going to be such a good pro
 
Convince me that Bedard "drives play" in 5x5...how often does he enter the o-zone IN 5x5 and does not matter which opps dmen on the ice they stymie himsuch that he loses the puck or gets shoved to the perimeter and in ensuing action cross ive pass gets intercepted and they head the otherway?

Bedard getsvery few vreak-awaus ( lack of real speed)..

Bedard geys very few 2 on1s compared to other 1Cs or 1Ws in the league AND if he does get a 2 on 1 it is rarely finished by him or the guy he attemots to pass to...Bedard might sustain 2 or 3 consecutive goidcshiftscin his 1 good or cement period..but rarely have we seen 3 consistently good periods of pressure and dager threats to score from him and the line he is supposed to drive..Morevoften they get hemned in their own zone..

Yescheviscyoung. But still I do not see howchevinorives because he does not keep puck control long enough to get dmen out of position so that another libematevisxwide open and /or do I see hom accurate enough with passing to get it to them on time for an easier scoring chance.

Honestly I am getting concerned.

He is si far front McKinnon who controls the puck with speed during the defending team nuts then always seemscto hot his teammates with a pass into the best slot chances.. I justcdo notcsee Bedard controlling that puck long enough for sustained o-zobe pressure ...tired defenders...or defenders pulled out of position.
I will notceve go to Bedard's horrible +/-

The with 18 seconds left to secure a Hawks win,Sorensen trusts Bedard to won the draw.. of course he loses it to Nelson.. and Avs scorexto send it tiedcto OT..

Then Bedard fails on his shoot-out chance.

And during the gamecwe did notcsee the Generational shot eother.

So tell me what is great about hi m?

Sure hevuscyoung..butcsize limits how m..and lack of so red (merely ok but not realky fast) akso limits him...has goid vision and hockey sense offensively.. but notcthe soeed and strength to maximize this otger att robots..
I just see too many flaws and cannot imagine hom elevating to a threat like tge top 19 or 15 cebterscorxwjngers in the NHL...
We are hoping he reaches ceiling greatness.but given his flaws which oersist,I just do not seegreatness developing at all..

He already looks less a threat than lst season.
 
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Lane Hutson having more points than Bedard this season was not on my 2025 bingo card
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He likely falls back to earth next year a lot of those secondary assist points were more the product of Suzuki and co doing amazing things with the puck over anything he has done directly
 
Bedard last night...only 2shog...2 Generational missed shots...3 hits (top offebsive small guys need to not waste time hitting the opps.. rather should focus on shooting and playmaking ) and of course 4 blocked shots (some would say this is defensive improvement.....
..others would say this is an indicator Bedard and his line were hemmed in a lot =the Truth of it!

Finally his 3 giveaways ...again indicator really does not control the puck well when pressured.


No greatness to be seen..Hard to imagine he goes from this meh to greatnesseven as he gets older.

Notca nattervof experience...just a lotbofvtechnocal flaws.Maybe if
he gets to pkay with good puck controllers he can switch the just being a primary shooter ..but he would need to work on a 1 timer and let others feed him ..

Anyway 2shog is not going to cut it...and in 5x5 he s not an exceptional puck distributor either..
 
Mjul Qvist said:
Lane Hutson in Blackhawks wouldn´t have more points than Bedard this season. Contexts.
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He’s also a year and a half older than Bedard despite being a rookie.

That said, it’s almost inexcusable that the Hawks didn’t draft him with their 4th or 5th pick of the 2022 draft. He’s exactly the type of risk/reward player you can take a flyer on when you have 5 picks in the first two rounds. I was mad the day of, so it’s not just revisionist history.
 
Bedard just 4goals last 22 GP and a -17...I do not care who he is...any NHL player in a top six role doing that does nit deserve to be ina top six forwards roke..ifvhecwere not a first overall pick he woukd be benched for poir pkay...
The poor puck cobtrol on entries...leading to turnovers or takeaway depending on how you define the opps stopping human his "hero" junio moves..I watch other NHL players enter and the pkay continues as they take pucks past the d-checkers or they dish to linemates with goodvpases before the opps checkers stop thevpkay..leading either to rush goals or at least chances on net or to to longer possessions in thevo-zobe..but Brdard trying to solo get through checking defense ...attack too often gets stopped quickly on entry and puck goes the other way and Bedard often caught watching the transition attack from behind..therevis just skbethibg "not there" with him ...he has been objectively stats wise and eye test Terrible tgese last 22 games(1 game before the4Natiobs break thru last night)...to top off this horror show,his blatant body hug grapple hold on Leonard led to Ovechkin"s record tyong goal(#894) whike Bedard watched from the p-box...that penalty was unnecessary.. you do not bear hig a guy in the middle of the ice ona check..I get it in board battles. But it Never should happen so blatantly in the middle of the ice with a bear hug that tgevojayer knows he will get called for ..it was stupid and unecessay ..itis not lije Leonard was goibgbin on a break-away ...notbonlyvdod Brdard not execute a check properly ..but his action he must know woukd cause the refs to put him inthe p-box..if Leonard had got past hom there were other Hawks in position to close on Leonard..not a sure thing Leonard coukd then take the puck alone to the net without sone other Hawksvpkayer impeding his path ..Leonard I fact had stopped and swiveled...hecwoukd have had to then start from a standing still position to continue the pjay which should have given other Hawks time to close off his path..Simply Bedard made a fundamental mistake on checking execution..even a half-check without the bear hug should have been enough to stop a cobtinuation Leonard attack if Bedard faiked to conpletelystop him..instead we get the bear hug and obvious for refs to p-box him..

Bedardvis frustrating me and should be fristrating Hawks fans with attention to details deficits,poor executions..lack ofvoroducyion,unable to drive his kibe..too long hemned in d-zobe /unable to get to loose pucks and unable to thus start transitions,poir decision-making...trying to solo hero it /junior level stuff,poor use of linemates = dysfunctional connectiveness = not helping a line gel together..Whyvtgehelk is THIS version of Bedard still in thebtop six..
We saw Nazar and Moore...yeseven Moore play "normal" nhl level ..saw givecanf go..where did you ever see Bedard with a give and go?

Yes both are great skaters. BEdard us Not ..always loksxaxsteo slow..hascto make-up for that woth smarter goid detaiksvpkay but is Not doing that. HAt 5x5vhecrealkyvhas not "connected" with any linemates ..
Ifvhe made up for this with higher Po goal contribution you might overlook the rest of his game ..but he is Not goal scoring much on the PP...
It is hard to figure out what he actualky is contributing...especialky these lsst 22 games including the game just beforectgec4vMations break.

I do not know why or how he has gone off the ranks to such ineffectiveness to such poor play.but he HAS...

If hevus "not resady" to brca pro and pjay upto a mich netter standard,send hom to Rockford till he is Ready

.Itbis clear he had regressed to the point if this had happened early or mid sesson,maybe they would have sent him down for such miserable play ..but now only 6 games remaining ..so thatvis not happening.. but if hevljays so I effectively and so negatively again from start thru mid-season nectcsrsdon,then they shoukd send hims big message and send him down to Rockford for "development".

I see no development witb him at all...all I see is regression to a very bad 5x5 player and a meh/average threat on the PP...not playing g good hockey.
Now IF hevid pjaying injured I will of course excuse this poor play..butvotherwise ..it is inexcusable and I do not want to hear "only 29" unless you put the "not ready to be an NHL pro" after the "only 20" excuse.

Of course young players should get better by age 23 on if they have not already "proved thremselves" in mainstay roles as NzhL calibre players before then..But progression not regression has got to be shown..Ee have only seen regressive pmay from Bedard and especially in tgse last 22 games where his pjay is unjustifiable to keep hom inactop six role.He has more rope that most kids due to his draft position...but that rooe gets shorter if this poor level ofvpkay continues long next season.

We have got to see some progress into a better level of hockey from him..if hevpkatesusxat thid poir level he coukd becone a Geberational Bust ..
Joining the immortal Alexandre Daigle who also doninated in juniors but joined the 1stboveralm Hall of Geberational Shame.
Maybe Bedard never becomes a super star...but stay I our top six let alone top line he must pkayat some at least acceptable level...

What we have see over the last 22GP is Not Acceptable ..period..no excuse.(unless playing injured which has not been revealed if that is the case)..if injury is nit the cause,then Bedard must Cressey this su...find his mojo again and one back ready to PROOVE he deserves to hold down a top line or eve 2nd line position without negatively impacting the team ...cetainlycwe do not want to see plateau at this bad level or worse further regression which as bad has he has been seems impossible..but if he is -64 instead of -39 or worse (lije hevis heading this srsson with 6 goes remaining) then that would be further regression.

There isxa level of 5x5 play you must show before you lose your job.. at sone ponit he WIKL lose his job if this level or worse persists.

Upto him to play nerve.. mich better..or ELSE.

As it is I give hom a bridge contract not an 8 year huge increase...at least they should not extend hom till he shows better progress next season.. If he still is at this plateau of 20 goals or a bit more and 60+ points and near -40 again then that contract extention should be a middling $6 to 7million max on a 3 year bridge deal to prove himself yet.. ...not make bet he explodes over 8 more seasons to top 'star" 90+pomts/ 30+ goals level and sonevmor acceptable ×/- closecto at leat Even..Give him a leash of 3 more years on a bridge deal...do Not bet $11 miilion+ he will exode over the next 8 years..If he explodes next season to real star effectivess then sure go wholevhog and kick him up cheap at $14milion for 8 more seasons ..but if he plays at this level again with more bad defensive play ,be cautious bridge him at $6-7 mil per ONYL on a 3 yr deal . Tell him to show he is worth more by better play or he may find himself gone after this second set of 3 more less than expected seasons characterized by underwhelming to terrible levels of play.
 
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Bedard just 4goals last 22 GP and a -17...I do not care who he is...any NHL player in a top six role doing that does nit deserve to be ina top six forwards roke..ifvhecwere not a first overall pick he woukd be benched for poir pkay...
The poor puck cobtrol on entries...leading to turnovers or takeaway depending on how you define the opps stopping human his "hero" junio moves..I watch other NHL players enter and the pkay continues as they take pucks past the d-checkers or they dish to linemates with goodvpases before the opps checkers stop thevpkay..leading either to rush goals or at least chances on net or to to longer possessions in thevo-zobe..but Brdard trying to solo get through checking defense ...attack too often gets stopped quickly on entry and puck goes the other way and Bedard often caught watching the transition attack from behind..therevis just skbethibg "not there" with him ...he has been objectively stats wise and eye test Terrible tgese last 22 games(1 game before the4Natiobs break thru last night)...to top off this horror show,his blatant body hug grapple hold on Leonard led to Ovechkin"s record tyong goal(#894) whike Bedard watched from the p-box...that penalty was unnecessary.. you do not bear hig a guy in the middle of the ice ona check..I get it in board battles. But it Never should happen so blatantly in the middle of the ice with a bear hug that tgevojayer knows he will get called for ..it was stupid and unecessay ..itis not lije Leonard was goibgbin on a break-away ...notbonlyvdod Brdard not execute a check properly ..but his action he must know woukd cause the refs to put him inthe p-box..if Leonard had got past hom there were other Hawks in position to close on Leonard..not a sure thing Leonard coukd then take the puck alone to the net without sone other Hawksvpkayer impeding his path ..Leonard I fact had stopped and swiveled...hecwoukd have had to then start from a standing still position to continue the pjay which should have given other Hawks time to close off his path..Simply Bedard made a fundamental mistake on checking execution..even a half-check without the bear hug should have been enough to stop a cobtinuation Leonard attack if Bedard faiked to conpletelystop him..instead we get the bear hug and obvious for refs to p-box him..

Bedardvis frustrating me and should be fristrating Hawks fans with attention to details deficits,poor executions..lack ofvoroducyion,unable to drive his kibe..too long hemned in d-zobe /unable to get to loose pucks and unable to thus start transitions,poir decision-making...trying to solo hero it /junior level stuff,poor use of linemates = dysfunctional connectiveness = not helping a line gel together..Whyvtgehelk is THIS version of Bedard still in thebtop six..
We saw Nazar and Moore...yeseven Moore play "normal" nhl level ..saw givecanf go..where did you ever see Bedard with a give and go?

Yes both are great skaters. BEdard us Not ..always loksxaxsteo slow..hascto make-up for that woth smarter goid detaiksvpkay but is Not doing that. HAt 5x5vhecrealkyvhas not "connected" with any linemates ..
Ifvhe made up for this with higher Po goal contribution you might overlook the rest of his game ..but he is Not goal scoring much on the PP...
It is hard to figure out what he actualky is contributing...especialky these lsst 22 games including the game just beforectgec4vMations break.

I do not know why or how he has gone off the ranks to such ineffectiveness to such poor play.but he HAS...

If hevus "not resady" to brca pro and pjay upto a mich netter standard,send hom to Rockford till he is Ready

.Itbis clear he had regressed to the point if this had happened early or mid sesson,maybe they would have sent him down for such miserable play ..but now only 6 games remaining ..so thatvis not happening.. but if hevljays so I effectively and so negatively again from start thru mid-season nectcsrsdon,then they shoukd send hims big message and send him down to Rockford for "development".

I see no development witb him at all...all I see is regression to a very bad 5x5 player and a meh/average threat on the PP...not playing g good hockey.
Now IF hevid pjaying injured I will of course excuse this poor play..butvotherwise ..it is inexcusable and I do not want to hear "only 29" unless you put the "not ready to be an NHL pro" after the "only 20" excuse.

Of course young players should get better by age 23 on if they have not already "proved thremselves" in mainstay roles as NzhL calibre players before then..But progression not regression has got to be shown..Ee have only seen regressive pmay from Bedard and especially in tgse last 22 games where his pjay is unjustifiable to keep hom inactop six role.He has more rope that most kids due to his draft position...but that rooe gets shorter if this poor level ofvpkay continues long next season.

We have got to see some progress into a better level of hockey from him..if hevpkatesusxat thid poir level he coukd becone a Geberational Bust ..
Joining the immortal Alexandre Daigle who also doninated in juniors but joined the 1stboveralm Hall of Geberational Shame.
Maybe Bedard never becomes a super star...but stay I our top six let alone top line he must pkayat some at least acceptable level...

What we have see over the last 22GP is Not Acceptable ..period..no excuse.(unless playing injured which has not been revealed if that is the case)..if injury is nit the cause,then Bedard must Cressey this su...find his mojo again and one back ready to PROOVE he deserves to hold down a top line or eve 2nd line position without negatively impacting the team ...cetainlycwe do not want to see plateau at this bad level or worse further regression which as bad has he has been seems impossible..but if he is -64 instead of -39 or worse (lije hevis heading this srsson with 6 goes remaining) then that would be further regression.

There isxa level of 5x5 play you must show before you lose your job.. at sone ponit he WIKL lose his job if this level or worse persists.

Upto him to play nerve.. mich better..or ELSE.

As it is I give hom a bridge contract not an 8 year huge increase...at least they should not extend hom till he shows better progress next season.. If he still is at this plateau of 20 goals or a bit more and 60+ points and near -40 again then that contract extention should be a middling $6 to 7million max on a 3 year bridge deal to prove himself yet.. ...not make bet he explodes over 8 more seasons to top 'star" 90+pomts/ 30+ goals level and sonevmor acceptable ×/- closecto at leat Even..Give him a leash of 3 more years on a bridge deal...do Not bet $11 miilion+ he will exode over the next 8 years..If he explodes next season to real star effectivess then sure go wholevhog and kick him up cheap at $14milion for 8 more seasons ..but if he plays at this level again with more bad defensive play ,be cautious bridge him at $6-7 mil per ONYL on a 3 yr deal . Tell him to show he is worth more by better play or he may find himself gone after this second set of 3 more less than expected seasons characterized by underwhelming to terrible levels of play.
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I have no idea what any of this says but I either 100% agree with it or 100% disagree with it
 
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I know he’s 19 and no coaching blah blah, but we are seeing other guys buzzing in various game. Bedard has basically shown nothing this season
He’s played with basically everyone on the roster and has failed to develop any real and lasting chemistry with any linemate. At the same time, we’ve seen others buzz.

We all want him to be special. We all need him to be special. Based on what I see, he’s just not. He just looks like a little boy trying to play against men.

If I was asked to make a prediction, it is that he won’t be a special player in the NHL.

I really hope I’m wrong. Time will tell.
 
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Backyard Hockey said:
I know he’s 19 and no coaching blah blah, but we are seeing other guys buzzing in various game. Bedard has basically shown nothing this season
He’s played with basically everyone on the roster and has failed to develop any real and lasting chemistry with any linemate. At the same time, we’ve seen others buzz.

We all want him to be special. We all need him to be special. Based on what I see, he’s just not. He just looks like a little boy trying to play against men.

If I was asked to make a prediction, it is that he won’t be a special player in the NHL.

I really hope I’m wrong. Time will tell.
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His lack of chemistry with basically everyone has really stood out in a negative way to me lately. You see these other young guys called up who have already done a good job in building chemistry with their new teammates yet Bedard hasn’t. Kurashev last year was oddly enough who he built the best chemistry with so far and as we all know he’s terrible.

It’s kind of puzzling to me and I can’t pinpoint why this would be the case for him, especially since he’s a playmaker who will give the puck up to his linemate.

Sorenson’s blender obviously doesn’t help but you can’t blame it entirely on that.
 
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His lack of chemistry with basically everyone has really stood out in a negative way to me lately. You see these other young guys called up who have already done a good job in building chemistry with their new teammates yet Bedard hasn’t. Kurashev last year was oddly enough who he built the best chemistry with so far and as we all know he’s terrible.

It’s kind of puzzling to me and I can’t pinpoint why this would be the case for him, especially since he’s a playmaker who will give the puck up to his linemate.

Sorenson’s blender obviously doesn’t help but you can’t blame it entirely on that.
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Maybe he’s just not as good as the hype. Wouldn’t be the first guy in sports for that and won’t be the last.
 
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Maybe he’s just not as good as the hype. Wouldn’t be the first guy in sports for that and won’t be the last.
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Certainly possible. I think next year will be telling year for him one way or another.

I’m also expecting KD to make at least one if not two big signings to save his own job. It’s likely this is the third straight season the team ends up with a point total in the 50s.
 
Backyard Hockey said:
I know he’s 19 and no coaching blah blah, but we are seeing other guys buzzing in various game. Bedard has basically shown nothing this season
He’s played with basically everyone on the roster and has failed to develop any real and lasting chemistry with any linemate. At the same time, we’ve seen others buzz.

We all want him to be special. We all need him to be special. Based on what I see, he’s just not. He just looks like a little boy trying to play against men.

If I was asked to make a prediction, it is that he won’t be a special player in the NHL.

I really hope I’m wrong. Time will tell.
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the thing about Bedard is that he clearly has real weaknesses in his game and he's still one of the more productive young players, if he can ever figure out how to improve his skating, explosiveness, etc and physically take that next step then he'll have a much higher chance of hitting the ceiling we all expected, as of right now he's just not there but he's young, if another year or two go by and there are no improvements then the ceiling is likely not going to be hit...He has to be able to more consistently create time and space for himself and he can't right now
 
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Certainly possible. I think next year will be telling year for him one way or another.

I’m also expecting KD to make at least one if not two big signings to save his own job. It’s likely this is the third straight season the team ends up with a point total in the 50s.
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Davidson isn't even on a lukewarm seat, let alone a hot seat where he has to "save his job". He's like 2 years into a rebuild, that by all accounts, is going pretty well, and might even be ahead of schedule. I don't think he's at risk at all.
 
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Bedard has been settling for outside shots that have minimal chance of going in, typically after circling around on the perimeter, oftentimes losing the puck near the blueline.

Aside from passing (though he’s forcing that too), he has very little going on right now.
 
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