Bedard or Celebrini

[ORRFForever]

North Vancouver what are you feeding your kids?!!!!!

Whatever it is, keep it up.

 

[ORRFForever]

Slight lean Bédard because of the raw creativity and ability to create something out of nothing with his shooting and vision but I will say that the change of pace and acceleration Celebrini has makes it more difficult for teams to defend him versus Bedard.

There was a play last night in the third period where he got the puck in transition and exploded into a gap and basically left Spurgeon and Foligno I believe it was in the dust, Spurgeon tripping him from behind being the only thing saving a breakaway.

Bedard might have superior puck handling and vision in a tight gap like that, and you can beat a lot of NHL defensemen by a combination of edge work and body deception like he has, but the all out pace that Celebrini has I think makes him a harder player to defend in his prime.


All that being said, slight lean Bedard at the moment because of his puck skills but Celebrini’s physical package and dynamism might win the day eventually; especially in transition it’s like watching MacKinnon

From the International forum, someone said he thought Celebrini was the one player who could be better than Bedard - of all the recent high end players drafted. Was it you, MF?

As for me...

I am in awe of how BAD Chicago is so, to my eyes, Bedard is at a disadvantage not of his own doing - the way opposition players swarm Bedard, because they are not worried about anyone else, is disheartening.

 

[Albatros]

Chicago is bad, but playing with Teräväinen and Foligno as well as Jones and Vlašić at 19 is not a real disadvantage. He needs to be able to live with that.

 

[CanadienShark]

Bedard at 19, what does he do better than a Celebrini at 18?

Noting

Shot? Celebrini has an awesome shot too. I don't see any other realistic argument aside from pure shooting ability. Once again, I wanted Bedard in his draft. We got Smith instead.

I'll take Celebrini + Smith over Bedard + Smith.

 

[Fraser28]

Celebrini has had 3 NHL games. One of those was his first game back from injury and he was clearly off his game.

The other two single games were probably more impressive than any single game Bedard has had in his 83 in the league.

That’s not true at all. Bedard has definitely had more impressive individual games.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Really impressed by Celebrini so far. Need to watch more of him to answer this question though. We've seen 83 games of Bedard compared to 3 for Celebrini.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Unquestionably Bedard has the higher offensive upside in terms of production. He can look extremely mediocre for forty minutes and then suddenly have a hat trick out of nowhere. That kind of talent is rare. I watched Bedard in the WHL matched up against Zach Benson head to head and Benson would look like the more impressive player for long stretches until Bedard suddenly put up five points in ten minutes.

Celebrini is so complete though, high pace and stands out every shift even when he's not scoring. As a biased Sharks fan, I prefer him.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Unquestionably Bedard has the higher offensive upside in terms of production. He can look extremely mediocre for forty minutes and then suddenly have a hat trick out of nowhere. That kind of talent is rare. I watched Bedard in the WHL matched up against Zach Benson head to head and Benson would look like the more impressive player for long stretches until Bedard suddenly put up five points in ten minutes.

Celebrini is so complete though, high pace and stands out every shift even when he's not scoring. As a biased Sharks fan, I prefer him.

He doesn't have a hat trick yet though

 

[wetcoast]

McKenna will be better than both. But make me pick I go with Macklin. But you can't go wrong with Bedard either. Both really nice kids. Apparently Macklin's youngest brother is going to be a stud. Seven more years and he can come back home. Bedard in six. Right about the time Miller and Peter's contracts expire.

To the part in bold, didn't we hear that about Luke hughes as well and I think Quinn is going to have the better career.

 

[biturbo19]

This is so hard to call. Celebrini just has such a small sample size of NHL play to go on, it's almost meaningless.

I like that he's got a little more size and is starting from a more mature two-way game. But Bedard has the sort of ace in the hole with his elite shooting ability. And we've seen that it can translate. So i probably lean that way.

 

[Divine]

Compared to expectations, Bedard has been a bust so far. That said, the expectations were ridiculous in the first place. He put up Patrick Kane numbers in junior with Kane's size/weight yet was getting McDavid/Crosby hype somehow.

The biggest thing with Bedard is can he get a decent defensive game? Smaller players have a tougher time in the defensive zone, particularly battling for pucks. Bedard was -44 last year, the worst +/- on a weak Blackhawks roster and the second worst in the NHL slightly ahead of SJ's William Eklund's -45.

If I'm picking right now, Celebrini, but it's way too early with 3 games for Celebrini. Celebrini is a lot more defensively responsible and has more defensive potential than Bedard. Bedard is likely going to have to outscore his deficiencies - which isn't ideal for a #1 centre.

 

[HairyKneel]

Unquestionably Bedard has the higher offensive upside in terms of production. He can look extremely mediocre for forty minutes and then suddenly have a hat trick out of nowhere. That kind of talent is rare. I watched Bedard in the WHL matched up against Zach Benson head to head and Benson would look like the more impressive player for long stretches until Bedard suddenly put up five points in ten minutes.

Celebrini is so complete though, high pace and stands out every shift even when he's not scoring. As a biased Sharks fan, I prefer him.

Enjoy him while he's there.

To the part in bold, didn't we hear that about Luke hughes as well and I think Quinn is going to have the better career.

I didn't say he's going to be the best of the three but he's apparently a 13 year old phenom.

 

[Ulysses31]

think he'll have a jacks hughes developement arc, will take him a couple yrs tho obv has potential to b better than hughes

 

[Juxtaposer]

He doesn't have a hat trick yet though

Sure, I meant in juniors.

Enjoy him while he's there.


I didn't say he's going to be the best of the three but he's apparently a 13 year old phenom.

Let me guess, Canucks fan? Enjoy fantasizing for the next eleven years. I'm sure Macklin will be chomping at the bit to join 36 year old Quinn Hughes and 37 year old Elias Pettersson in pursuit of a tenth overall pick.

 

[Bombshell11]

Shot? Celebrini has an awesome shot too. I don't see any other realistic argument aside from pure shooting ability. Once again, I wanted Bedard in his draft. We got Smith instead.

I'll take Celebrini + Smith over Bedard + Smith.

One has 25% the other 1%

If Bedard had the start Celebrini had they would be comparing him to McDavid, oh wait they already doing that before the draft. I wonder where that energy's gone

 

[CanadienShark]

One has 25% the other 1%

If Bedard had the start Celebrini had they would be comparing him to McDavid, oh wait they already doing that before the draft. I wonder where that energy's gone

Oh believe me, I'm on your side here. Both are excellent players. I was attacked non-stop last time I suggested they're even close to equal and wouldn't trade Celebrini for Bedard. That was like a month ago.

Bedard has a lot of flash and talent. Celebrini has all that too and doesn't have any real weakness. Maybe lacks pure shooting ability that Bedard has, but has a wicked shot himself.

Anyways, it'll be fun to watch them both!

 

[Regal]

To the part in bold, didn't we hear that about Luke hughes as well and I think Quinn is going to have the better career.

Luke’s still pretty damn good though. Macklin’s brother might never be as good and still end up a stud too.

 

[HairyKneel]

Sure, I meant in juniors.


Let me guess, Canucks fan? Enjoy fantasizing for the next eleven years. I'm sure Macklin will be chomping at the bit to join 36 year old Quinn Hughes and 37 year old Elias Pettersson in pursuit of a tenth overall pick.

Who said anything about 11 years? He can be home in 7 years. Bedard in 6.

 

[TheUnusedCrayon]

Gonna go out on a limb and say this one isn't even close for me. Bedard 100%.

I'm not even sure Celebrini will end up as a #1 center.

Edit for clarification: has the potential to be, but still requires a lot of work to get there

 

[Mattb124]

Gonna go out on a limb and say this one isn't even close for me. Bedard 100%.

I'm not even sure Celebrini will end up as a #1 center.

Edit for clarification: has the potential to be, but still requires a lot of work to get there

How many NHL games of his have you watched? I was really surprised at how complete his game is in all 3 zones thus far. I don’t see a lot of work required in any facet of his game, and he should only get better with age and experience.

 

[TheUnusedCrayon]

How many NHL games of his have you watched? I was really surprised at how complete his game is in all 3 zones thus far. I don’t see a lot of work required in any facet of his game, and he should only get better with age and experience.

Admittedly zero. Just from my analysis from his scouting.

He's a player that does everything well but nothing truly elite. With that said his shot does seem to be improved from his draft year based on highlights.

 

[gary559]

Anybody else reminded of McDavid when they watch Celebrini skate? From what I've seen(and its pretty limited) he goes zero to a hundred back to zero really fast, and changes direction quite quickly too. I don't think he has McDavid's puck skills, but his skating reminds me a lot of McDavid's.

 

[Mattb124]

Admittedly zero. Just from my analysis from his scouting.

He's a player that does everything well but nothing truly elite. With that said his shot does seem to be improved from his draft year based on highlights.

My sense is that, if you are able to watch him, you will be pleasantly surprised by how much he is already impacting the game in all 3 zones. The Sharks are playing NJD tomorrow at 4P PST/7P EST which is a more east coast-friendly game time than the local starts.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Bedard, has a higher offensive ceiling, but doesn't play D so its tough.

Celebrini for me. Bedard is a winger disguised as a C. Celebrini looks like Toews with more offense

Celebrini plays defense like Toews? lol. yeah, no.

 

[TheUnusedCrayon]

My sense is that, if you are able to watch him, you will be pleasantly surprised by how much he is already impacting the game in all 3 zones. The Sharks are playing NJD tomorrow at 4P PST/7P EST which is a more east coast-friendly game time than the local starts.

I do have center ice so I'll have to check it out. The extended highlights I watched didn't have much of him handling the puck or making good defensive reads (based on the highlights you don't want to see him defensively).

Hopefully he looks like a young Pettersson.