How is Mahomes not in your generational category??? Or even elite??? What?
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How is Mahomes not in your generational category??? Or even elite??? What?
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I think he's saying coming out of college. Mahomes was not considered to be a "generational" prospect coming out of Texas Tech. He made himself one in the NFL.
No Fun Shogun
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Yeah, Mahomes definitely wasn’t considered to be first overall worthy prospect going into his draft. Proof that draft prognostics are sometimes (or often) wrong. Had a team drafted him first overall, everybody would’ve been laughing at them…. until Mahomes made them all eat shit, that is.
ChiHawks10
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He’s absolutely a generational QB, but out of college he was considered a big boom-bust, which is why he fell to 10 and was generally considered the 3rd QB in the class behind Trubisky and Watson. Any elite/generational QB prospect doesn’t get passed 1 or 2 overall.
Sarava
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I mostly agree, but..... It's true there is no Lawrence, Burrow or Luck here. But the trade down talk is only because the team holding the #1 is in the rare scenario where they already have a budding superstar at QB. If the Bears didn't have Fields, it would probably be a near slam dunk that they would stay at #1 and take Bryce Young.
No Fun Shogun
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I think Fields has shown some promise, but I also think it's way too premature to tag him as a budding superstar. I hope he gets there, and his running game is absolutely sensational, but it seems very premature to put that mantle on him.
Sarava
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If the stars aligned just right, my GM moves would be:
Resign Montgomery but don't overpay
Sign Orlando Brown-at nearly any cost
Sign Isaih Buggs-Again at nearly any price.
Trade #1 and # 103 to Colts for # 4 and 33.
Draft either Carter or Anderson, whomever is still there at 4.
Hope Mooney comes back strong, find other receivers in the draft. That lineup may qualify for the playoffs actually.
Resign Montgomery but don't overpay
Sign Orlando Brown-at nearly any cost
Sign Isaih Buggs-Again at nearly any price.
Trade #1 and # 103 to Colts for # 4 and 33.
Draft either Carter or Anderson, whomever is still there at 4.
Hope Mooney comes back strong, find other receivers in the draft. That lineup may qualify for the playoffs actually.
Blackhawkswincup
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WTF type of trade is that
Why would Bears be adding anything? And that is very light for Bears to move down and no way Anderson is there at #4
Specifically I don't think that's nearly enough value from Indy for #1 and #103. From a couple of different draft pick value charts:
Bears trade #1 (3000 or 1000 value) and #103 (92 or 39 value) = 3092 / 1039
Indy trades #4 (1800 or 491 value) and #33 (actually #36) (540 or 166) = 2340 / 657
For me Indy would need to add 2024 1st round pick, or close to that in value. For any Bears trade of #1 I'll be disappointed if they don't get a 2024 1st round pick back.
I'm going to be surprised if Young isn't that guy by the time the process unfolds. He's basically a flawless prospect aside from height.
There's definite attachment to Fields that is causing what you're talking about though.
No Fun Shogun
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your way sounds good to me
Then you take Carter, Houston and Indy take a QB, leaves Carter or Anderson @ 4
Dream scenarios for the Bears right now would be either Stroud doesn't declare and teams aren't sold on Levis in the top 5, or Stroud declares and Levis makes people want to move up to 3 for him. I think scenario 2 is most likely. In scenario 1, you can trade back with the Texans for a massive haul (due to there not being another QB on the board) and get Anderson. In scenario 2, you can move back with Indy, get an even bigger haul, and get Anderson. Worst case is that all 3 guys are there and none are the clear #1, allowing teams to be patient and take what they get.
He might have everything else, but build is a vital component for football players that can't be "aside from"'d away.
"Aside from height" renders him a non-elite QB prospect. Not saying he's not going to get there or anything, but there's a reason the generational/elite prospects are the prototypical 6'4-6'5, well-built, and athletic (unless they have insane athleticism ala RG3). Bryce's build (both height and weight) would make him an outlier to basically every other successful QB aside from Kyler, and Kyler isn't exactly lighting the world on fire.
He might have everything else, but build is a vital component for football players that can't be "aside from"'d away.
Brees was 20 pounds heavier coming out of college and wasn't anywhere near considered an elite QB prospect.
Russ is a better comparable but he has a thicker frame and, once again, wasn't considered an elite QB prospect.
Sarava
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So Kaplan is saying the Colts are enamored with Will Levis? I also had seen something last week where Houston may want him. Makes you wonder if Levis will sneak up and be that #1 pick? If you watch tape on him, he does have a really nice touch. He also has the ability to launch it without much of a step in to it, which would be huge in the NFL,
And yeah, there's the whole Stroud still not declaring thing out there. But I guess Justin Fields didn't declare until his last day, so maybe that's an Ohio State thing. I'm starting to think Stroud will be the 3rd QB taken, assuming he does come out.
And yeah, there's the whole Stroud still not declaring thing out there. But I guess Justin Fields didn't declare until his last day, so maybe that's an Ohio State thing. I'm starting to think Stroud will be the 3rd QB taken, assuming he does come out.
I didn’t claim Brees was an elite prospect. I was disagreeing with this statement: “Bryce's build (both height and weight) would make him an outlier to basically every other successful QB…”
Brees was 20 pounds heavier than Young so I wouldn't say they're particularly comparable in terms of build. That said, even if we say they are, having two successful QBs in recent years be ~6'0 doesn't exactly inspire confidence if you're projecting Young's future.
Young can bulk up a bit to Brees territory. Not exactly hard to do
Tua, Kyler, Russell Wilson in the last 2-3 years have had some great seasons.
Then obviously Brees is the HOF example.
I think Young is an elite prospect. Not a generational one due to the height. And being elite doesn't mean he's a sure thing of course.
But his tape vs Georgia last year is meaningful. He basically torched a pseudo NFL defense.
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